Master Burn-In/IR/Break In Thread Part II: All Posts Here Only - Page 133

OK, update....if anyone cares.
Panasonic can repair it, but it won't be covered under warranty, fair enough.

I am trying now to run a movieloop for 24 hours, extend it to 48 if necessary. it's either gone then, diminished or if still there I live with it
and we call it burn in.

I feel this thread is scaring people more than they should be.

Before purchasing my TV is was so scared of IR. Now I have it and have game'd a good bit on it. It isn't noticeable in anything but when I look for it. I tend to play for a while when I do play, but mostly once or twice a week.

I feel this thread is scaring people more than they should be.

Before purchasing my TV is was so scared of IR. Now I have it and have game'd a good bit on it. It isn't noticeable in anything but when I look for it. I tend to play for a while when I do play, but mostly once or twice a week.

It shouldn't, according to Panasonic IR becomes an issue afer 6-8 hours. This is exactly what I did, playing one game for 8.

So for everybody else and 90% of all people it wont be an issue, hardly anyone plays a game that long, no movie on TV is that long and if you have the TV stations logo glowing bright and white in one corner, it gets interrupted by commercials.

So for gaming and movies buy a Plasma and be and stay happy!!!!! You won't regret it!

We had our Panny for almost 3 months now and me and my wife are still blown away by the picture this baby produces.


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Soon this will be all fixed with OLED's, the popping colors, the deepest of blacks etc.....

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2024911/oled-and-4k-at-ces-2013-the-fantasy-and-the-reality-video-.html

I'll be getting a new plasma this year, cant stand the blooming on my HX909, How do you figure out hours for the first 200-300 ? do you just keep track or is there some kind of sub menu ?

I wish that TV stations would shift they're logos now and then, I like to watch Nascar and being a 4 hour race its highly likely I'll get some kind of IR from the FOX, TNT or ESPN logos.

There is a sub menu that you can access, at least on a panasonic, I'm sure other manufacturers have it too.

It's not easy to get to as users are not supposed to tweak the settings in that menu.
It's like holding the volume button on the TV up for a couple of seconds while holding another on the remote.

Again this is about a panasonic I don't know how it works on a Samsung, but you can google it or if you are getting a panasonic I have the exact procedure saved in my email and could post it if you need it.

Thanks for the reply, I don't need it right now as I wont be getting the TV until I get my tax refund. So basically its the same procedure to access the sub menu from year to year....I have no plans on messing with any of the settings, I just want to check the hours and make sure I break it in right.

The reason I got the HX909 was to avoid the IR/burn in issue, but overall I'm just not happy with it. I'm hoping this Panny ST60 55" is a little better than what I have now.

Update: I know have the TV running for 36 hours continously. Regular watching and playing games during daytime, movieloop with USB stick during the night.
The IR isn't gone, but much much better. It's now almost impossible to see during a movie and only slightly noticeable when running white slides.
I assume it really will go away over time and I might just do another 36-48hrs next weekend.

Easy enough to log hours on the slides with pen and paper. I used the Penultimate app on my iPad. Just noted the time I started the slides, and had the total written down and just updated everytime I turned the slides off and used the TV.

I just ran the slides while at work and asleep until I hit 100 hours, so wasn't a big deal to log. More of an issue if you wanted to log all use and/or for more than 100 hours I guess.

My panasonic tv i bought last year seems to have aquired IR. I never did anything in the way of break in or calibrate, it is a P55ST50. Im not sure if it is IR or not actually because i can only see it in bright or white scenes/screens. If you are not able to see it at all times is it still IR?

Yep.

A lot of IR tends to only be noticeable on light colored slides or light scenes.

Its safe to say then that this was the first and last time i will buy a plasma, i never leave things paused or anything of the sort, and if im going to be away from the tv for more than 2 minutes i always turn it off.

It's still likely temporary and will clear up when you watch full screen content or other channels.

99% sure it isn't permanent.

It will most likely go away pretty quickly.

Nothing I would worry about tbh.

is it bad to keep getting IR over and over again>
for example, if I play a game and get IR from the HUD, then It goes away after a few days, and I play that game again, its going to IR again.
Is that a bad thing, will it become perm? I played a game today for 30 mins and the HUD was IR'd in on the wipe screen.

Technically yes, if it was there at first it can come again.
However the more hours you have on your TV the less likely you will get ir, at least that's how I understand it.

Last update for now:
After solid 48hours of running my ir is almost gone. If I had to do it over again I would not run slides or pixel jogger and alikes and go straight to regular continuous watching.
I also would buy that TV again, the picture blows me away everytime and I rather deal with ir than not having this amazing picture quality.

I think im just gonna start gaming for real and watching what I want now to see how the TV handles IR. And if it cant, Ill just return it. Its too bad I can game all i want and watch any station and I dont get any hint of IR on my 6 year old plasma tv

I think my ir is coming from netflix, so im just going to stay away from it and see if it goes away. When youre in netflix theres this box over which title is currently selected, this box does not move, when you arrow in any direction it just scrolls titles through the box. I go through sperts where i hardly ever use netflix or i use it a lot. Lately it has been alot, this is the only thing that could cause it, i dont leave stuff up or the the tv on and when i game its only for like a half hour a sitting. Plus the ir im seeing pretty much looks like that box.

I just got burn in, not image retention, on my Panasonic PT60ST30...I must have gotten it from Black Ops 2 as I can see my ammo and Scorestreaks imprinted on the bottom right of my screen...

I have run Avatar on full contrast 4 times now over night (I've had it for at least 2 weeks now) and it is still there...it is reduced, but there...I can only see if on light green or white slides and occasionally on light backgrounds during movies...I also ran a solid while slide on my TV for 2 hours last night with minimal change...

I had purchased an extended warranty from HHGregg and, at the time of purchase in October 2011, they said the warranty would cover anything (accidental damage and all), but when I went to the store to inquire, they said burn in is not covered...

I suffer from OCD and while the burn in can't really be seen during normal TV usage, knowing it is there bothers me...

I called Panasonic and, as expected, they won't cover it under warranty, but gave me a name of a company for repairs...Panasonic couldn't give me a rough estimate on how much it would cost to repair...

I'm guessing I could keep running the slides and Avatar all the time, but it is a hopeless cause (I think)...

Reading back on some previous threads, I can 100% confirm that burn in, even on these newer plasma TV's, is still alive and well...even with pixel orbiter, the scrolling bar, and breaking in the TV (which I had done 3 fold), burn in can and will occur...I owned a plasma before (Panasonic) and it wasn't as sensitive to burn in as this one...

Well, you can feel better, because that's not burn in.

You're certainly not alone in that. But I think a lot of people would be a lot happier with their TV if they'd just enjoy it instead of actively searching out problems.

I don't think it's hopeless. I'd just watch a variety of full-screen content without any static images. Stay away from the slides, they're just driving you crazy. Can you provide any actual evidence of burn in to support your 100% claim? I'm sure that it's happened on recent models, but I would imagine that the circumstances were pretty extreme.

I've experienced image retention in the past on my previous plasma and this plasma TV...the IR would be gone within 2 hours or so of full screen, non-static images...I'm a gamer, I've had excessive sessions on my plasma TV's that SHOULD have caused burn in, but on my old 50" plasma it would, again, be gone within a couple of hours and was normally seen only on dark sections of the screen, as opposed to light...

On this TV though, the residual marks appear on light backgrounds meaning the phosphors have aged considerably more than its surrounding area, thus causing the IR/burn in...

The burn in seems to have reduced a bit, but there are still sections of it that haven't changed in any way, shape, or form...this leads me to believe that the out-lying edges of the HUD (that was burnt in) wasn't as severely burned in or retained as the middle portion...the edges may clear up from full screen use, but the center of the HUD area is permanently damaged...all from playing LESS than I did on my previous TV...it's a real shame as I expected Panasonic's quality to have gone up, not down in the 5 years since I had bought my old TV...

Wouldn't that be IR, still? I didn't know you can reduce burn in.

And your old TV was exactly that. An old TV. That much time of use made it more resistant to IR.

It's not "reducing" the entire portion though...the outlying edges seem to be less defined, but the center of the burnt in area is exactly as it was when I first found it...the center is where it was the brightest for that period of time...

I'm hoping I'm wrong and that it is only IR, but having owned plasma TV's for the past 6 years, I've never experienced this significant of an image problem due to this minimal of use as I have since I bought the new TV...

In regards to my old TV, I could've played Black Ops 2 on it for the same period of time (within that TV's same amount of use) and it wouldn't have retained or burnt in that image the same as my new TV has...

I just downloaded the tetris demo on Xbox live. I played it for not even five minutes and I could clearly see the outline of the frame where the tiles fall down. I ran slides and it went away in a minute.
I tried it again, played tetris for 3 minutes, went back to Xbox home and I could clearly see the frame again.
So this must be the worst game to get IR or burn in, strangely it is a blue frame, not white not bright, but seems very bad.

Effectively any game or thing you display on your TV with a static image will cause image retention...what you're experiencing is normal and easily cleared away...

In my instance, I had 3 - 4 hours (off and on) of Black Ops 2 on my plasma and the HUD portion where the bright yellow/white ammo display and score streak logos are burned into my TV...I have run everything under the sun for well over 15 hours and it is still there...

15 hours won't cut it!

Like I reported in my previous posts, I ran slides for 3 hours, a youtube pixel fix video for 8, pixel jogger for 5 hours.
Nothing helped. Then i read the website I quoted somewhere up above or on the previous page...anyway......I let mt TV run for 48 hours straight.
Regular TV watching during the day and some gaming and then a 1 hour "movie" from a USB stick in a loop overnight and during the day when i was at work.
IR is almost completely gone. Probably needs another 48 to do the rest.
Try that.

Well then, let me ask this: When does it stop being image retention and is actually burn in? In a sense, how long must the retained image be on the screen and residual before you just stop trying to fix it and accept that it is burned in?

Good question, but I highly doubt 3-4 hours of black ops caused burn in.
As far as I undertand it, IR will at some point turn into burn in but it takes a long time.
If you played it for days on end I would say you got burn in.
But a couple of hours...... even if you played like me for 8 you will have a more stubborn IR but no burn in and it will go away over time. Since it slowly goes away and the 48 hours almost got rid of it completely is an indication to me that it's IR and not burn in otherwise it would not get any better.

EDIT: When I talked to Panasonic on the phone I asked that question.....the guy said that from 6-8hours continously will cause IR.
Longer hours and frequent display of same image will then cause burn in.
Edited by dogdaysunrise - 1/20/13 at 7:55am

That AC3 life meter must be an IR monster. I've had my VT50 for two months and haven't seen a single bit of IR until today. I've been playing AC3 for a couple hours each day and I guess I finally reached the limit and got IR from the life meter. Really noticeable on solid bright backgrounds. Hopefully it goes away with regular use..

Here's the video I used to burn in. I captured it off a website. It provides a lot of differing colors and is cool to watch. Don't let the black bars fool you. They aren't there at full screen.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i7g0tc4l9jgjcpt/Infinite%20Oz.avi
Edited by Idec Sdawkminn - 1/20/13 at 10:22pm