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Originally Posted by Idec Sdawkminn View Post

Here's the video I used to burn in. I captured it off a website. It provides a lot of differing colors and is cool to watch. Don't let the black bars fool you. They aren't there at full screen.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i7g0tc4l9jgjcpt/Infinite%20Oz.avi
Why does it stutter so much?
post #3992 of 5199
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Originally Posted by olyteddy View Post

Why does it stutter so much?
Well, my video capture program sucks and I can't get the flash file correctly from the website to convert into a video. If I capture it with a different codec to make it smoother, then it makes the raw file too big and the program crashes.

I just now realized I can use Fraps and set it to capture Windows Aero and it will capture it smoothly, so I did that and I'm processing the video now. I'll replace the Youtube and Dropbox ones with this new one and update the links. It will also contain the audio in case someone wants to listen to it.
post #3993 of 5199
I've been running the pixel flipper on the Disney WOW disc for about 18 hrs now, and it seems to have cleared up my IR by about 50%.
post #3994 of 5199
Does the WoW flipper work better than the scrolling bars?

I believe theres also a CD you can download for free that mimic's antannae noise - ill try and hunt it down when i get home
post #3995 of 5199
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Originally Posted by jerrolds View Post

Does the WoW flipper work better than the scrolling bars?

I believe theres also a CD you can download for free that mimic's antannae noise - ill try and hunt it down when i get home

I don't know for sure. I went with the WOW flipper because I could run it for more than 15 minutes without babysitting it.
post #3996 of 5199
The WOW pixel flipper is more or less like the old TV snow patterns.

Finally noticed some IR on my 55" UT50. Had it on CNN for the inauguration stuff for 2 or 3 hours this afternoon and noticed the "Live on CNN" and inauguration logos faintly when watching a little basketball--could see it against the light court. And noticeable on the screen wiper and a white slide. Played a game for 3 hours or so (Borderlands 2) and that took care of it. Do have a tad of IR from the hud, but not noticeable watching TV (including basketball), just faintly on a white slide. So that should fade even faster than the CNN logo as that was lot more noticeable.

So I should be fine with IR on this set since I seldom do anything like game or CNN for more than 3-4 hours at a time and mix content up a lot naturally.
post #3997 of 5199
I noticed mild image retention on my three year old U1 after watching CNN today as well. It went away shortly after.
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My IR is still pretty visible. I'm not ready to call it permanent by any means, but it's being very stubborn. I'm going to run an all-white screen on vivid all day today and see if that does anything. I also just noticed that in Game mode, by default the pixel orbiter is off. So that's nice. I've gone in and turned the Game mode settings way down and turned on the orbiter so I can hopefully avoid this problem in the future. I wish I had checked to make sure the orbiter was on before playing.
post #3999 of 5199
The orbiter doesn't help that much since it just shifts things around a few pixels. So HUDs, logos etc. would just get a bit smudgier IR from being shifts around a bit in the same general spot.
post #4000 of 5199
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Originally Posted by dmaul1114 View Post

The orbiter doesn't help that much since it just shifts things around a few pixels. So HUDs, logos etc. would just get a bit smudgier IR from being shifts around a bit in the same general spot.

I thought that might be the case, but I wasn't sure. Thanks for the info.
post #4001 of 5199
I still think it may help a tiny bit though in terms of making the IR a little less defined (the smudging of logos etc. may stand out more than an exact IR of the logo) and thus less noticeable. I have noticed IR more since I turned it off--though that could just be coincidence. In any case I turned it back on for now as I can't tell any difference in the picture with it on vs. off.
post #4002 of 5199
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Originally Posted by mvc753 View Post

That AC3 life meter must be an IR monster. I've had my VT50 for two months and haven't seen a single bit of IR until today. I've been playing AC3 for a couple hours each day and I guess I finally reached the limit and got IR from the life meter. Really noticeable on solid bright backgrounds. Hopefully it goes away with regular use..

Well you and I have the exact same issue! Playing AC3 and now having IR.
Again, I tryed to run slides for 3 hours, a youtube pixel fix video for 8, pixel jogger for 5 hours.
Nothing helped!
Then I let my TV run for 48 hours straight.
Regular TV watching during the day and some gaming and then a 1 hour "movie" from a USB stick in a loop overnight and during the day when i was at work.
IR is almost completely gone. Probably needs another 48 to do the rest.
Try that.

Yeah, seems AC3 is a burn in IR monster.

I had this video saved to a USB stick and ran a loop over night and during daytime, I have the HD version saved, it seems to have been taken off of
youtube, this is only low quality, beautiful video regardless though:

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Originally Posted by mvc753 View Post

My IR is still pretty visible. I'm not ready to call it permanent by any means, but it's being very stubborn. I'm going to run an all-white screen on vivid all day today and see if that does anything. I also just noticed that in Game mode, by default the pixel orbiter is off. So that's nice. I've gone in and turned the Game mode settings way down and turned on the orbiter so I can hopefully avoid this problem in the future. I wish I had checked to make sure the orbiter was on before playing.

Like dmaul said, it won't help, the image is too big. I had mine enabled from the getgo and I also got the AC3 health bar IR.
My TV has now 779hours, got calibrated today and I hope the older it gets the less prone it will be to IR and I also hope the AC3 health bar will completely vanish over time, I'll report back for sure.

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Edited by dogdaysunrise - 1/22/13 at 6:45pm
post #4003 of 5199
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Originally Posted by dogdaysunrise View Post

Well you and I have the exact same issue! Playing AC3 and now having IR.
Again, I tryed to run slides for 3 hours, a youtube pixel fix video for 8, pixel jogger for 5 hours.
Nothing helped!
Then I let my TV run for 48 hours straight.
Regular TV watching during the day and some gaming and then a 1 hour "movie" from a USB stick in a loop overnight and during the day when i was at work.
IR is almost completely gone. Probably needs another 48 to do the rest.
Try that.

Yeah, seems AC3 is a burn in IR monster.

I had this video saved to a USB stick and ran a loop over night and during daytime, I have the HD version saved, it seems to have been taken off of
youtube, this is only low quality, beautiful video regardless though:

Like dmaul said, it won't help, the image is too big. I had mine enabled from the getgo and I also got the AC3 health bar IR.
My TV has now 779hours, got calibrated today and I hope the older it gets the less prone it will be to IR and I also hope the AC3 health bar will completely vanish over time, I'll report back for sure.

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I saw your initial posts about AC3 and I felt compelled to chime in and offer some moral support! It's funny, because I didn't worry at all about IR then there it was out of nowhere, so I came to the forum looking for my own moral support and found your posts and immediately felt much better. I'm very glad to hear your IR is going away. I've been running my original break in slides on Vivid again for around 48 hours now, and I *think* the IR has lessened a bit, but it's definitely nowhere near gone. You've given me hope that this will eventually go away.

This is my first plasma and I was just of the mindset that IR wouldn't happen to me. I'm very careful with my stuff, but it turns out I didn't know enough about how the various TV settings apply on this model and didn't have everything setup properly to help reduce IR when gaming. I've got the contrast turned down to 65 on Game mode now, and will definitely be running the pixel orbiter from now on whether it helps or not. I also probably won't game at all until I get a lot more hours on the set.
post #4004 of 5199
I've been noticing some more IR on my 55UT50 the past couple days too (had it for about two weeks). CNN, ESPN, ammo counts from Borderlands 2. But all have gone away in 15 minutes or so of watching full screen content. But still a little unsettling as I can't leave the TV on ESPN for hours like I did with my old RPTV etc.

The buzz annoys me more--have at tech coming to try to fix that in a couple hours. Between that and the temp IR that concerns me a bit, I'll definitely be exchanging it for an LED if he can't quiet the buzz enough that I can't hear it from the couch when watching normally. Amazon is sold out of the UT50 line up and I don't have the patience to play panel lottery anyway.

If it gets quieted down enough to be tolerable, I'll keep it. I can live with managing the IR to get the better picture vs. LED. But I can't live with that and the buzz. It has an April build date (despite just getting it two weeks ago), so I'm hoping it just doesn't have the newer screws and will be an easy fix to quiet it down enough.
post #4005 of 5199
I exchanged my Panasonic 60ST50 for a Samsung E6500 because of the easily obtained stuborn IR. I would watch broadcasts with a solid white logo (so dumb of them) for an hour or so - and IR would not disappear after hours and hours of snow/scrolling bars/slides. It was only visible on solid color slides - but i was being careful for the first 400hrs, and was scared to think of how the bad IR would be if i wasnt babysitting constantly.

My return window hit around the 400hr mark, and it seemed like IR seemed to lessen - but I exchanged anyways.

Saved $400 and got the PN60E6500, no IR!

BUT THE BUZZ.

Now i'm seriously considering going back to the ST50 - the IR i can live with and manage, the buzz from the Sammy is just too much sometimes and unavoidable. Thats and the black/contrast is much better on the ST50.

3D on the Sammy i think looks better tho
post #4006 of 5199
For folks that want to game on a plasma and are worried about IR I suggest using the WOW Disney pixel flipper for IR prevention.

Long story short had IR from Mass Effect 3 multiplayer HUD after about 30 hrs of gaming over a six week period panel had about 700 plus hours on it before ever playing ME3. The Sammy 51D550 Panel ended up getting replaced by the manufacturer six months later with the IR still there having not faded.

At the time of replacement I picked up the WOW disc and what I do is after a gaming session especially after an ME3 multi one is bring up the break in color slides, identify the HUD IR, play the WOW pixel flipper for 15 minutes with the settings cranked dynamic, contrast 100, brightness 100, cell 20/max, sharpness 100 in just scan or screen fit 1:1.

After 15 minutes I flip back to the color slides and check for the HUD and outside of ME3's HUD and a couple other obnoxious HUD's there has been nothing left behind on games I play, and I play many different games across all platforms.

What ME3 and a couple other game HUD's will due is it will basically breakdown from a very identifiable HUD to a very faint small unrecognizable grey blob or blobs against the color slides, at that point I just go back to watching TV like regular, check the slides later and by then it will have completely gone. I have ran the flipper longer after playing ME3 multi just to see if it will completely go away and it will it just takes another 10 or 15 minutes.

For a comparison when I got the IR from ME3 the set had about 700 to 800 hrs on it with about 30 hrs over a six week span of ME3 multi being played, six months later IR still present.

All new replacement panel 4 months later with 60 hrs of ME3 multiplayer HUD using the method described above and no problems what so ever.

For longer gaming session with more obnoxious HUDS you may need to or want to run the flipper longer.

Hope this helps anyone with fears of gaming on a Plasma.
post #4007 of 5199
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Originally Posted by talltitan View Post

For folks that want to game on a plasma and are worried about IR I suggest using the WOW Disney pixel flipper for IR prevention.

Long story short had IR from Mass Effect 3 multiplayer HUD after about 30 hrs of gaming over a six week period panel had about 700 plus hours on it before ever playing ME3. The Sammy 51D550 Panel ended up getting replaced by the manufacturer six months later with the IR still there having not faded.

At the time of replacement I picked up the WOW disc and what I do is after a gaming session especially after an ME3 multi one is bring up the break in color slides, identify the HUD IR, play the WOW pixel flipper for 15 minutes with the settings cranked dynamic, contrast 100, brightness 100, cell 20/max, sharpness 100 in just scan or screen fit 1:1.

After 15 minutes I flip back to the color slides and check for the HUD and outside of ME3's HUD and a couple other obnoxious HUD's there has been nothing left behind on games I play, and I play many different games across all platforms.

What ME3 and a couple other game HUD's will due is it will basically breakdown from a very identifiable HUD to a very faint small unrecognizable grey blob or blobs against the color slides, at that point I just go back to watching TV like regular, check the slides later and by then it will have completely gone. I have ran the flipper longer after playing ME3 multi just to see if it will completely go away and it will it just takes another 10 or 15 minutes.

For a comparison when I got the IR from ME3 the set had about 700 to 800 hrs on it with about 30 hrs over a six week span of ME3 multi being played, six months later IR still present.

All new replacement panel 4 months later with 60 hrs of ME3 multiplayer HUD using the method described above and no problems what so ever.

For longer gaming session with more obnoxious HUDS you may need to or want to run the flipper longer.

Hope this helps anyone with fears of gaming on a Plasma.

Interesting. Thanks for the detailed info. I've been running a combination of the WOW pixel flipper and the color break-in slides for a few days now. The IR has lessened to the point where it is only visible on the gray or white slides, whereas initially it could be seen on just about all the slides. Hopefully I can get it the rest of the way out.
post #4008 of 5199
That's an awful lot of hassle though. If one is going to game that much to have to go through all that to get rid of IR and keep it from becoming more permanent, might as well just get an LCD/LED for gaming. I know it sucks if you prefer the plasma PQ, but to me peace of mind is worth more to me than PQ. But I'm also not a videophile by any stretch of the imagination.

In any case, the tech came yesterday and couldn't quiet the buzz. So I'm sending it back to Amazon for a 55" Panny LED set (the TC-L55ET5). I'm sure I won't like the picture as much for dark scenes especially. But the buzz was driving me nuts, it will be nice to game as long as I want, leave the set on ESPN all day when working at home etc. with no worries of IR, and to be able to have the blinds open and enjoy the view (the UT50 wasn't watchable if the sun was up unless the blackout blinds are shut).

But it's all to each, their own of course. This is the second time I've tried a plasma set, and the second time I've returned it due to buzzing and IR. The IR I could manage as I don't often game in sessions longer than 2-3 hours--but I do hate having to worry about tickers and logos as I like having ESPN or CNN on as background noise when working at home etc. But the buzzing is just something I'm extra sensitive to and that drives me nuts as it takes me out of shows and movies when I hear the buzz in every bright scene.

Love the PQ of plasma, but those annoyances outweigh it for me personally. Here's to hoping that OLED or some other tech can become affordable and match plasma PQ without the proclivity for buzzing and IR.
post #4009 of 5199
I seem to be getting IR very easily all of a sudden. I had the TV on ESPN for around 1 hour last night, and now the ESPN logo and some of the bottom bar they run is hanging around. This is after having no IR initially. Do these things hit a certain point in their life where they retain everything? I'm hoping this clears itself up as time wears on.
post #4010 of 5199
Plasmas are supposed to become MORE resilient to IR and burn-in as they age...however, IR is minor since it will go away with time (many times within a couple of minutes)...

Burn in is when the image stays on the screen, effectively, permanently...
post #4011 of 5199
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Originally Posted by y2j420 View Post

Plasmas are supposed to become MORE resilient to IR and burn-in as they age...however, IR is minor since it will go away with time (many times within a couple of minutes)...

Burn in is when the image stays on the screen, effectively, permanently...

Let's hope that's the case. Is it even possible to get permanent burn-in of something that was on the screen for maybe 2-3 hours a day for a maximum of a week? With other content mixed in?
post #4012 of 5199
Is the Planet Earth bluray good to break in a plasma?
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Another update on my part.
So, I believe it has been 4 weeks since the AC3 IR. My TV has now over 800hours eek.gif, I honestly am very surprised I have that many hours on it already, shame.....

Anyway, the AC3 IR is now almost completely gone, when running the scrolling bar in the setup menu, I really have to look for it and it is barely noticable in the white slide.
So I think it really will vanish completely as more time and more hours on the TV will go by.

Right now I always run the scrolling bar after I played video games and I don't play longer than 3hours, then I take a break now.
Further, now that my TV has been calibrated I run the standard mode for gaming and not vivid or game mode anymore.


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However and on a side note, TV got calibrated and I felt colors are not as nice and white and everything has a yellow tint to it.
After severl phone conversations with the geek squad calibration guy, he assured me this is the way it needs to be and is calibrated 100%.
Well I saw a target commercial and the white background is antique white and not white.
He says a white from a electronic device is different than paper white...???.....but if I want that I should change from warm2 to warm 1 and raise color 10 points.
So I did that and went even down from warm1 to normal. Now in my mind the colors are great and true.
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Hi all.

I have burn in on an Elite Pro-101FD from watching 4:3 with gray bars.

Monitor was watched in mostly HD for a few months. Then exclusively 4:3 with gray bars for a few months and I now have burn in on both sides. I have always had orbiter in mode 2. It is very noticeable with white on the screen. or white on black. like when credits roll they look like they have a yellow tint instead of pure white. The whole 4:3 area is darker than either side outside the 4:3 area.

I have downloaded "image break in" that cycles thru several colored screens. I notice the difference on every color but red.

My question is will an image break-in work? Would I be better off leaving it on one color, like white over scrolling thru them? Once I decide to use all colors or just one how long should I run it? And finally should I change contrast or brightness while running it?

THANKS:)

I just downloaded jscreenfix screensaver. Is that a better option than screen break-in at this point? Thanks again.
Edited by imcheesehead1 - 1/26/13 at 9:05pm
post #4015 of 5199
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Originally Posted by dogdaysunrise View Post

Anyway, the AC3 IR is now almost completely gone, when running the scrolling bar in the setup menu, I really have to look for it and it is barely noticable in the white slide.
So I think it really will vanish completely as more time and more hours on the TV will go by.[/SIZE][/SIZE]

Great to hear! I think my AC3 IR has faded somewhat, but it's definitely still there. Here's to hoping it fades over time as yours has.
post #4016 of 5199
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Originally Posted by imcheesehead1 View Post

Hi all.

I have burn in on an Elite Pro-101FD from watching 4:3 with gray bars.

Monitor was watched in mostly HD for a few months. Then exclusively 4:3 with gray bars for a few months and I now have burn in on both sides. I have always had orbiter in mode 2. It is very noticeable with white on the screen. or white on black. like when credits roll they look like they have a yellow tint instead of pure white. The whole 4:3 area is darker than either side outside the 4:3 area.

I have downloaded "image break in" that cycles thru several colored screens. I notice the difference on every color but red.

My question is will an image break-in work? Would I be better off leaving it on one color, like white over scrolling thru them? Once I decide to use all colors or just one how long should I run it? And finally should I change contrast or brightness while running it?

THANKS:)

I just downloaded jscreenfix screensaver. Is that a better option than screen break-in at this point? Thanks again.

It's been said, many times..many ways...and even though it's not christmas.....orbiter won't help you with a 4:3 at all or a larger image like the "usa" letters of that particular station.


I recommend....... and I'm not gonna repeat and explain why and what I said like 100 times in my previous posts........ to let the TV run for 48hours straight, regular watching, movieloop, of course not CNN for 2days. This works imo way better than all the pixel jogger, break in yadda yadda.

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Originally Posted by mvc753 View Post

Great to hear! I think my AC3 IR has faded somewhat, but it's definitely still there. Here's to hoping it fades over time as yours has.

I will keep you posted, but it's looking good so far.
post #4017 of 5199
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Originally Posted by dogdaysunrise View Post

I will keep you posted, but it's looking good so far.

Any update on your AC3 IR? Mine is still visible. It's most visible on the blue PS3 menu screen, the one for the PS Store, etc. All other times you really have to focus to find it, but on that particular screen it's entirely visible as a dark half circle. I guess it's been almost two weeks now with very little change. I haven't played AC3 or any other game since I first saw the IR.

Dear plasma gods, I promise I will never game on this TV again if this IR goes away!
post #4018 of 5199
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Originally Posted by rich7sena View Post

Is the Planet Earth bluray good to break in a plasma?
1.78:1

Yes. Any 1.78:1 program will work.
post #4019 of 5199
Greetings,
Just got a 65" VT50.. (Chris at Cleveland shameless plug) and I am using the break-in slides along with making sure any other source material fills the screen w/o
hard logos for any length of time. Standard mode is OK for night viewing little weak for day. What do you gurus say about upping the contrast to 76, such as the THX Cinema mode?
I think I read where Dnice prescribes Custom mode where contrast is 100. Bottom line, looking for opinions on break-in settings for contrast and brightness.
Thanks for your input in advance...
post #4020 of 5199
Quick question guys.. Never owned a plasma, so all the break in info I'm seeing.. Is it necessary or recommended .. Im seeing 100-200 hours of playing, slides?? Not sure what those are, Is it just some sort of on and off color pattern on a loop play? or is the "break in DVD" in post one of this link the slides?


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