Master Burn-In/IR/Break In Thread Part II: All Posts Here Only - Page 136

Repair shop has ordered and will be replacing the SC and A boards...not quite sure why, as we never had blinking lights or shut downs. Perhaps someone with electronic knowledge can bring us up to speed as to exactly what are the functions of these boards and how they would relate to iR/IB?
Edited by DarkZelda - 2/22/13 at 9:55am

You can get screenburn (actually image retention) on LCD too. Just read a thread someone got it on a samsung phone.

Best to stick with this technology. No screenburn.

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How old is that post ? Got to be at least 5 years ago

Samsung OLED. So pretty new model?

No I meant the post you responded to px75u is a plasma from 2007

Ya i had a TH50-PX75U i bought in 2008 - and that had zero IR, no break in period as well. But after a few years i noticed that there was ghosting, or i guess very very temporary IR that was visible in dark scenes (was watching animated Batman at the time) and everytime a dark scene with some detailing switched to another dark scene, there was a half second where the old scene was super imposed.

My new ST50 does not have that problem, i suppose because its faster or the 600hz engine or whatever took care of it

Link?

EDIT: Googling 'lcd image retention' I see 276,000 results...'plasma image retention' 1,920,000 results...nearly 7 times as many!
Edited by olyteddy - 2/22/13 at 6:53pm

Not a good idea to run in a break in DVD. Remember reading one, the DVD player went back to the main menu, and stayed on that for hours, causing screen burn.

Just use the TV normally running full screen.

It's not common but I do remember reading owners of LCD's having image retention. See what results you get in the LCD section. It didn't go after hundreds of hours. They're far more durable, and probably a lot better now. Could look into computer forums as they're used as monitors, so static icons and task bar should have IR too.

OLED is NOT LCD. It's not even close to an "LED LCD". But, yes, Samsung's AMOLED technology which is used in some of their phones, which isn't LCD based at all, does get image retention on occasion.

Taking care, yes. Breaking in the set, no.

A Newbie to plasma.. Looking to buy my first one a Panny St60 when it comes out. I was 110percent locked on this! After reading way too many threads about image intention and so called burn in. People not do doing the slides and people doing the slides and sill getting them. People babying there Tvs ? Should that how it is? If i am going to pay 1800 on a tv and have to watch No espn or shows with logo that stay on the set with out moving why do we go threw this? I called Panasonic customer service and they told me that for the first 200 hours just watch tv that has no logo at all no gaming just movies and shows and make sure you change the channel every 10 to 15 minutes you kidding me? Some on please yet me know can i just buy the tv and watch like normal or do i have to do all controlled watching of what i watch just so i dont get image retention? Thanks

I even had TV menu screen burn! Bringing up TV menu for a short while, then watching TV you could see the after image, and it stayed there.

Second that, still have an extremely faint M from "Menu".

Then again I can never stop messing with settings, so it's probably my fault it won't go away completely.

You're going to have baby it and take precautions. IR is not permanent, but you're not going to enjoy the TV very much if you're constantly seeing it while trying to use the TV. In the first 100 hours you have to be extremely careful viewing static images, phosphors burn their hottest and will cause IR easier than any other time in the TV's life. It's recommended to run slides or watch full-screen non-logo content for the first 100 hours. If you don't do either of those and just watch TV, then you will want to use a reduced contrast setting to the dim the overall picture. Also, be aware it may take from 500-1000 hours before IR no longer becomes an issue. If you aren't willing to work with the TV to enjoy the benefits of plasma, you may just want to go with LED.

Hope that helps.

Slides are not intended/created to prevent IR- period. They are only meant to age the pixels evenly, and bring the panel closer to the state that D-Nice's was in when he calibrated the one he used for providing his settings.

I don't have the ST but have the GT and I never ran slides and never saw ir with regular content. I ran the scrolling bar once and saw only the faintest hint of ir. I do use the pixel orbiter but can't confidently say that is why I don't get IR. I watch a lot of MSNBC, hubby watches sports but he is a very active channel surfer, we don't game and only occasionally use the web browser. I did spend a lot of time adjusting settings (no menu ir) early on, spent a lot of time with the Denon gui when I first got it (no ir), we use a roku a lot and use the menu for our TIVO a lot.

First of all calling Panasonic (or Samsung) customer service and asking them questions about their products is useless and actually counter-productive. They typically don't really know anything about their TVs and if you call 5 different CSRs and ask them all the same question, you'll probably get 5 different answers - all of which will be wrong or just plain stupid. That comment about changing channels every 15 minutes is one of the stupidest things i've heard them say, and if that were true they would have printed it in the manual. It baffles me why they don't train their CSRs on such important concerns such as buzzing and IR. They're seriously misinformed and are really only good for arranging warranty repair - and they kinda suck at that too.

There were millions of Plasmas sold last year but only a very tiny fraction of those people are coming to the forums and reporting issues with IR (or buzzing). You say you've been reading way too many threads but you seem to be focusing on the tiny percent reporting problems, while ignoring the vast majority of the hundreds of 2012 Plasma owners who post here who are specifically stating that they are not having IR problems, or aren't even bringing IR up at all because it's just not an issue on their TVs. If it were such a widespread issue, you'd be seeing thousands of people googling about it, being directed to AVS (the world's leading Plasma TV forum), and the board would be overrun with IR complaints. But it's not.

Yes some people do report that they get persistent IR from a menu being up on their screen or from a channel logo that's been displayed for only an hour that takes a long time to go away, so they obviously got a panel that is abnormally prone to getting IR. Most of us can have the menus up for a long time while we're adjusting the advanced picture settings and get zero IR after closing the menu and resuming viewing. I watched my GT50 normally from day one back in July, and that first weekend i watched Speedchannel and other sports and news all weekend and what little IR i got from the logos and tickers went away within seconds of changing channels, and i was specifically testing it and looking for it, and it just wasn't there. This is normal operation. 8 months later i'm still not getting any persistent IR despite watching Speed and Sports on the weekends and 4 hours of news programming every single day. What little IR i do get still goes away very soon after i change channels. If someone is getting persistent IR from such use that is not going away, then their panel is out-of-spec and that TV needs to be exchanged because it's just not the norm.

If you're so concerned about IR or Burn-In, you can either buy an LCD TV that has poorer picture quality and WAY more issues than a Plasma does and not have to worry about IR at all, or buy a Plasma from a retailer with a good return policy and hope you're not in the small percentage of people that receive a TV that gets persistent IR. If during the first few weeks you find that you're getting stubborn IR, then either have the retailer bring you a new TV or just punt and get an LCD TV and give up all hope of having the best picture quality.

How tolerant is today's plasma tv? I'm referring to 95% of the time viewing 4:3 tv contents, with pillar box on the left and right of the tv show. The remaining 5% is to watch movies in their 16:9 or 2.35 glory.

Can't answer you main question, but in my P55VT50 manual on page 28 "Aspect Ratio":

4:3: Standard (Note that "Image retention" of the side bar may occur from displaying it for a long time.)

Based on my experience with a GT30, I would never recommend a plasma for that type of use. I view 95% in 16:9 and the GT30 is great for the way I use it.

and what if you watch movies? Not many movies are 1:85. Most are 2:35.

Some movies I watch are 2:35, more in 1:85, and a few in 4:3. Overall I would guess that 90% of viewing is content that fills the screen. It was the 95% use case of 4:3 content that seemed to me not to be great for a plasma.

I am a first time poster and first time plasma owner (Panasonic TC-55UT50). I will try to be brief and to the point. I am a casual gamer, but recently became more active playing COD Black Ops II multiplayer online (PS3). I had a Sony 46" LCD with horrible lag, not to mention the horrible screen uniformity with spotlight corners. I sold that unit to purchas the UT50 for its superior picture quality and above average input lag for gaming. I absolutely love the PQ on this set...no buzzing and no picture banding that some have reported. After running the full screen slides for several weeks, I apprehensively moved my PS3 to this unit. After about 3 days of gaming (several 1 to 1 1/2 hour sessions per day) I was horrifed to see some pretty nasty IR from the static game images:eek:
Game mode, contrast 80, brightness 50. I immediatly fired up the full screen slide show on vivid with contrast, brightness and color all at 100. After 2 days of this, the IR seems to be gone. I am now extremely paranoid and unable to enjoy my TV for fear of IR. My panel has approximately 60 hours on it. I have 60 days to return it. Here are some questions:
Will this IR problem get dramatically better as the panel 'breaks in'?
Did I jump the gun trying to game too soon?
Do I just need to lower conrast/brightness?
Should I just return it and get a inferior LCD for my needs?
Its a catch 22....I bought the plasma for superior PQ and gaming performance knowing the risk with IR and now I'm torn on what to do. I would be sad to have to return it because I absolutely love the PQ.
All thoughts and opinions welcome.

Ran slides for several weeks, 60 hours on it?....

You can always try to get a panel that's more naturally resistant to IR. I personally think that the majority are prone to IR, but some people believe it's the minority of TV's. The panel should get more resistant as it ages, yes. You may have tried to game soon, and those settings are fairly high for a TV that's not even 100 hours old. I wouldn't give up and get an LCD just yet, unless you frequently have long gaming marathons or watch an unusual amount of static TV. I would hold off gaming for the 100 hours or use way lower contrast. After that go ahead and use it how you normally would. If you happen to get IR it's not the end of the world and is easy to manage if you take care of it on a day to day basis. Don't use the D-Nice slides to get rid of IR though. You can either just watch TV or use custom slides when you aren't watching it. I found that bright colorful slides work the best, and be sure to use the short setting for the speed. I run slides overnight if I get any serious IR (like gaming for 2-4+ hours) and it's either gone or almost completely gone the next day. I should add though, that I have the GT50, and I have around 500 hours on it.

Complete disclosure....i'm not exactly sure how many hours are on the panel (my instructions for checking hours did not work in SM and I was paranoid about screwing something up so i quickly exited). I will revisit instructions and research more on how to do it as time allows. 60 hours is a rough estimate. I ran the slides overnight on 5 or 6 occassions over the past 3 weeks with varied TV and Blu-ray movies thrown in. Thank you for your input.

What if your device crashed during the night on the screen slides?

It's not worth it. Just use it normally.

I say it's impossible. Nothing will cause it to break.

ummm I'm talking about your DVD player locking up, and staying on a single test screen, or going back to main menu for hours on end.

I've read a few posts on forums where this has happened. It caused screen burn to the set.

It's not worth it, just watch full screen material as you do, don't have dynamic contrast enabled, and calibrate it.

Oh, I see. I think he was talking about slides though, via USB. I'm pretty sure there's no way for that to fail, at least it's highly unlikely.

Yes, the full screen 'break in' slides from USB is what I was refering to. Theres no way I'm playing back a DVD...too risky for exactly the reasons you mentioned. I will admit, even playing back from the USB does make me a bit nervous. But no issues playing back a slideshow loop so far. Worst fear...it stops and goes to the screen with the thumbnail images and grid !
Edited by SkyNet14 - 3/4/13 at 4:15pm