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Fox News is the most watched news channel in America.So yes ,my liberal friend,many people watch Fox News.

Perhaps our liberal colleague is one of the four people who watch MSLSD. biggrin.gif


Back to the thread, Whoa I love this TV! It seems to get better with age. Geez I wish us humans were like that!
post #4142 of 5202
What is the recommended level of brightness and contrast during the break-in period or what is the max you should be running these at? Then once broken-in is it okay to keep the contrast level in the 90's?
post #4143 of 5202
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

What is the recommended level of brightness and contrast during the break-in period or what is the max you should be running these at? Then once broken-in is it okay to keep the contrast level in the 90's?

I'd say not. If you need those sorts of levels of contrast, perhaps because the room is well lit, you should have bought a LCD.

I have my Pioneer set to 20 (out of 60) but then I watch in a unlit room.
post #4144 of 5202
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Originally Posted by fatbottom View Post

I'd say not. If you need those sorts of levels of contrast, perhaps because the room is well lit, you should have bought a LCD.

I have my Pioneer set to 20 (out of 60) but then I watch in a unlit room.

I have a Samsung e7000 and cnet's setting is 95 for contrast. I figured that is a professional setting they do in an optimal viewing experience. Another site actually has the contrast at 100. So these levels should be much less?
post #4145 of 5202
I can't believe calibrated level for a plasma is 100% nor is it safe for screenburn. You wouldn't set a CRT to 95-100% contrast, either.

Perhaps if take into account light of the room, to product sufficient contrast levels? Sure not getting LCD calibration mixed up? They look best with contrast near the top end of the scale (note backlight setting is seperate from that, and in a home setting backlight at lower levels is better, plus it results in better black levels) as you do not need the massive amounts of light produced.
post #4146 of 5202
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Originally Posted by fatbottom View Post

I can't believe calibrated level for a plasma is 100% nor is it safe for screenburn. You wouldn't set a CRT to 95-100% contrast, either.

Perhaps if take into account light of the room, to product sufficient contrast levels? Sure not getting LCD calibration mixed up? They look best with contrast near the top end of the scale (note backlight setting is seperate from that, and in a home setting backlight at lower levels is better, plus it results in better black levels) as you do not need the massive amounts of light produced.

http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-561058/samsung-pn60e8000-picture-settings/?tag=posts;msg5316691

http://reviews.*******************.com/samsung-plasma-tv/samsung-pn51e7000-picturesettings.html
post #4147 of 5202
Is there a sticky within the sticky? I'm trying to find the recommended procedure for breaking in a plasma but can't find it.... Yes, indeed google is my friend and is normally used to find things but it does not resolve the issue in this case...
post #4148 of 5202
I don't watch much tv programs/shows. I mainly use my tv for gaming and movies.However I have a question. Since obviously movies I watch will have black bars and games will tend to have different static hubs, will I run into a problem with burn in? Since I don't watch much regular tv it will be harder for me to switch the content up. Would it be a good idea if I just ran colored slides every now and then for a few hours or after a heavy gaming session?
post #4149 of 5202
I've got either IR or burn-in on my 4+ year old set. How can I tell which it is? Does one look distinctly different than the other in any way?
post #4150 of 5202
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Originally Posted by Dabearfan101 View Post

I don't watch much tv programs/shows. I mainly use my tv for gaming and movies.However I have a question. Since obviously movies I watch will have black bars and games will tend to have different static hubs, will I run into a problem with burn in? Since I don't watch much regular tv it will be harder for me to switch the content up. Would it be a good idea if I just ran colored slides every now and then for a few hours or after a heavy gaming session?

If you take it easy during the first 150 hours or so by running largely full screen content you should be ok. My ST50 probably has over 500 hours now and is much better with IR. I do run the Disney WOW pixel flipper, overnight, twice a month as a precaution. The pixel flipper or just plain TV static seems to work best with IR on my panel. I recommend either of those over just running slides after a heavy gaming session.
post #4151 of 5202
I am also an avid gamer. That being said, I just needed to empty some thoughts i had regarding the ST60 I have and about current model plasmas in general:

I'm a plasma noob, so no hatin':

Considering plasma is NOT by all means a new technology, i would think that if it were that much an issue, for all the millions of people who have bought a plasma tv over those manufacturing years, that there would be some material from the manufacturers that would be an essential "need to read" factor? I mean, I would think that there would be more emphasis about it if I/R and/or burn-in is that much of a concern and that people would be complaining left and right about it and from day one there would be class action law suits galore. That would seem to be a defect in engineering, imo, and the technology would have become obsolete. But it's been around for decades...It seems it is only through these forums that I have even heard about these issues and I have to say that they almost scared me out of buying my plasma. Now i'm almost at the point of paranoia! I'm not saying that Burn in and I/R are not a reality. Obviously they are. That being said, when I heard people say that you shouldn't leave static images or not have a screen saver on with the old-school crt's, i p'shawd it and left my computer on for days, no screen saver no use, nothing and my screen was just as good as when i first got it. i will never go back to crt if you paid me...well, if you paid me maybe--but it would have to be a lot. #1 because the picture sucks ass, is blurry as hell and video games were almost unplayable at all on them. At least the JVC and SONY crt tvs that i owned. yuck.
I don't know...just sayin

There is more biggrin.gif

I wasn't able to read all the posts in this thread, that would really be a daunting task; plus, i'm watching the Penguins-Islanders game and the Penguins are winning (YAY! and they just scored AGAIN whilst writing this sentence!). Focus, Monica, focus smile.gif

So, with all this talk about IR and burn-in and blablabla, will there EVER come a time when I will be able to watch a movie with the borders atop and bottom without the judgment of God looming over my head?? How about a 4:3 movie? I wanted to watch "Live Free or Die Harder" on my Sony Blu-Ray player, and there was no way to change the picture output. Maybe I didn't see something in settings or wha?

(Bless me father for I have sinned. It has been forever since my last confession. I watched my new plasma tv within the first 100-200 hour mark on a channel that had a persistent logo at the top of the screen. My defense is that I was watching the Hockey playoffs for the Stanley cup! I'm so SORRY GOD!! FORGIVE ME! BUT IT WAS THE PENGUINS FOR PETES SAKE! eek.gif)

Just askin. It just seems like the parameters for viewing a plasma tv are so caustic and/or strict. Like to the point of being almost uber extreme! Ok, so you need to sterilize tools before surgery, wash your hands 78 times in boiling water, wear a face mask, a hair net, gloves, ... Since when did watching TV become so over-****ing-complicated? I'm getting such mixed feedback that i'm literally about to go postal on just anybody now. My TV's "on" hours are maybe, now, at best 30? maybe even less. I'm now watching the Playoffs (obviously) without the zoom feature. Is that bad? The scores/teams logo at top not eternally persistent- there are commercial breaks at least every five minutes give or take a couple. Sometimes i wonder if the old comment "If you look for it you will find it" is at play here. This isn't to minimize the reality of burn-in or IR about which I've heard a lot. Never really experienced it--my first ever plasma. I s'pose most of the crappy content could be the crappy HD cable rendering(?) or compression?
Edited by MonicaJae - 5/1/13 at 6:58pm
post #4152 of 5202
I've a PS60E5000 since a few months, around 400 hours on it atm. I never watch regular TV channels on it, so no logo problems and also gaming doesn't happen allot, but that could change with GTA V.

Anyway, I've one very persistent IR (or even Burn-in) Problem. As I'm not native english, and neither is my GF, We have subtitles on 95% of the time. Subtitles are mostly at the same position and bright white. So I now have 2 dark bars over nearly the whole length of the screen at the bottom of the screen.

I didn't expect subtitles to leave IR/burn in because they are not static in the sense of logos and the PS60E6500 should be the master of anti IR according to reviews.

The IR/burn in is not only noticeable during test slides, but also very noticeable during regular watching, any vertical panning of the camera makes it stand out.

I've ran the IR remover (those scrolling bars build in the tv) for over 20 hours now, in the first 4 hours the IR became less, but since then it seems to stay there.

So I've 2 problems, one will I ever get rid of this IR, or is it burned in? Second, well, I can't avoid subtitles like I can with logo's (by zooming or not watching). I could watch some stuff without subtitles, my English is good enough for it, but not something like House for example. But my GF can't, so it's not really a solution.
post #4153 of 5202
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Originally Posted by timofp View Post

I've a PS60E5000 since a few months, around 400 hours on it atm. I never watch regular TV channels on it, so no logo problems and also gaming doesn't happen allot, but that could change with GTA V.

Anyway, I've one very persistent IR (or even Burn-in) Problem. As I'm not native english, and neither is my GF, We have subtitles on 95% of the time. Subtitles are mostly at the same position and bright white. So I now have 2 dark bars over nearly the whole length of the screen at the bottom of the screen.

I didn't expect subtitles to leave IR/burn in because they are not static in the sense of logos and the PS60E6500 should be the master of anti IR according to reviews.

The IR/burn in is not only noticeable during test slides, but also very noticeable during regular watching, any vertical panning of the camera makes it stand out.

I've ran the IR remover (those scrolling bars build in the tv) for over 20 hours now, in the first 4 hours the IR became less, but since then it seems to stay there.

So I've 2 problems, one will I ever get rid of this IR, or is it burned in? Second, well, I can't avoid subtitles like I can with logo's (by zooming or not watching). I could watch some stuff without subtitles, my English is good enough for it, but not something like House for example. But my GF can't, so it's not really a solution.

Hi, Welcome to AVS !

I'm no plasma expert, but what I would do is run a pixel flipper such as the one found on the WOW Disney Blu-ray Disc. I've seen here on AVS some people have had success removing persistent IR with the pixel flipper on the WOW BD. I would let it run for a while, like at least 24hrs and see what it does. The WOW disc can be purchased on Amazon or elsewhere for a decent price. Its a very useful disc that is well made and helps you calibrate your display (and sound as well), there's also other features on the disc, a great buy in my opinion, I own one.

Problem is.. if you're always watching subtitles, I don't see how it's not going to come back.. maybe running the WOW disc on a regular basis might help.
post #4154 of 5202
is the pixel flipper thingy on the normal Disney WOW dvd disc? or is it a blu ray thing. I don't have a bluray player as I been using cable box's and streamers for my content. I started noticing ir on my Panasonic ut50 the last month or so. it's mostly the shaw cable logo that is used on the cable box menu screen it's in the same place and I never notice or was thinking it would be a problem tell now. now I have a nice pink outline of a logo on my screen.

http://imageshack.us/a/img708/6079/shawlogo.jpg
before.
http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/708/img1479nx.jpg

I don't know really what i could do, I wish I never got this set. it's at the 500hour mark in the tv's service mode. I've not calibrated it yet. as I can't find any places in Edmonton I trust.

anyone.

my settings are

63 for contrast
75 for brightness
45 for color
0 for tint
45 for sharpness.
Edited by Jarrycanada - 5/4/13 at 5:59pm
post #4155 of 5202
Just as I've feared, baseball season is bringing me some nasty IR with the YES scoreboard retaining. on the screen. I've ran the scrolling bars for about an hour and it helped a good amount, but there's definitely still some left.
post #4156 of 5202
I've found that the scrolling bar does not do a great job of removing stubborn IR. My experience has been that animation does a better job of clearing IR. What I do when I get IR is I tune to CN/Adult Swim and just zoom it so that the CN logo is removed and then letting it run overnight during Adult Swim until the IR is gone. One thing to mention is that I wouldn't recommend running CN unattended during the day as CN occasionally likes to run annoying banners or counters for new episodes or specials. Adult Swim is fine though.
post #4157 of 5202
Pixel flipper - Disney Wow BD. Run that bad boy straight for 24+ hours, done (hopefully). Repeat on a regular basis based on your viewing pattern
post #4158 of 5202
I'd never leave a disc playing for hours. Device may lock up and go back to main menu!
post #4159 of 5202
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Originally Posted by fatbottom View Post

I'd never leave a disc playing for hours. Device may lock up and go back to main menu!

I've ran slides for days without issues, just keeps going and going til I stop it. I'm confident in my setup, can't speak for others on this
post #4160 of 5202
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Originally Posted by Jeremyd5 View Post

I've found that the scrolling bar does not do a great job of removing stubborn IR. My experience has been that animation does a better job of clearing IR. What I do when I get IR is I tune to CN/Adult Swim and just zoom it so that the CN logo is removed and then letting it run overnight during Adult Swim until the IR is gone. One thing to mention is that I wouldn't recommend running CN unattended during the day as CN occasionally likes to run annoying banners or counters for new episodes or specials. Adult Swim is fine though.

I wish could get adult swim here in Canada. but if we did it wouldn't be the us version, it would be some cheap Canadian copy cat version that has nothing exciting on it. Ohh well. I've heard cartoons are good to whitewash a screen but the problem is the logos.

ON the subject of dvd players most dvd players do have a screen saver so that would be a good idea to turn on. I've yet to ever see a dvd player with out that option on it.
Edited by Jarrycanada - 5/4/13 at 10:16pm
post #4161 of 5202
Ran the Disney WoW pixel flipper overnight and the IR is essentially gone now. Given I watch baseball everyday, probably will be a good idea to do this once or twice weekly..
post #4162 of 5202
"The light that burns so brightly only burns for so long." BLADE RUNNER

if you do that every day or once a week you'll burn your tv out in no time.

tell me what if you don't want to buy a bluray player/wow disc. as I'll most likely never use it for anything other then sorting out my IR problems. is there not some free solutions, other then leaving the house door unlocked and hoping someone steals it, Kidding.
post #4163 of 5202
4162 quotes in this thread. I wish we could get the manufacturers to take our troubles serious instead of keep making trouble.
post #4164 of 5202
I just wish networks would stop with the constant static images on the screen, I know which friggin channel I'm watching when I'm watching it.
post #4165 of 5202
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Originally Posted by CheYC View Post

Ran the Disney WoW pixel flipper overnight and the IR is essentially gone now. Given I watch baseball everyday, probably will be a good idea to do this once or twice weekly..

That wouldn't be a bad idea at all
post #4166 of 5202
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Originally Posted by Jarrycanada View Post

"The light that burns so brightly only burns for so long." BLADE RUNNER

if you do that every day or once a week you'll burn your tv out in no time.

tell me what if you don't want to buy a bluray player/wow disc. as I'll most likely never use it for anything other then sorting out my IR problems. is there not some free solutions, other then leaving the house door unlocked and hoping someone steals it, Kidding.

I believe one can find other sources, video loops, etc., that can run off a USB stick, better then running ones BR disk player motor as well.
post #4167 of 5202
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Originally Posted by Mactavish View Post

I believe one can find other sources, video loops, etc., that can run off a USB stick, better then running ones BR disk player motor as well.

such as? any clues
post #4168 of 5202
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Originally Posted by Jarrycanada View Post

such as? any clues

Many simply recommend running various content with of course no letterbox, or TV bugs, break-in slides would be another way, searching might turn up even more options, I have not as of now needed to explore this option, but here is one link I saved as well as the freely offered video files. Good luck!

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406663/pixel-jogger-break-in-improves-pq-plasma-lcd-led-tv-for-diy-users-only-w-disclaimer
post #4169 of 5202
So, can someone answer me whether or not there will come a day where i won't have to worry about IR or burn-in? Will i always have IR with persistent logos? or does that go away? Will i ever be able to game for hours on end? there were days where i would have gaming marathons. is that a thing of the past now that i have a plasma?
and what if i do want to watch espn or cnn for a whole day? then what?
post #4170 of 5202
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Originally Posted by MonicaJae View Post

So, can someone answer me whether or not there will come a day where i won't have to worry about IR or burn-in? Will i always have IR with persistent logos? or does that go away? Will i ever be able to game for hours on end? there were days where i would have gaming marathons. is that a thing of the past now that i have a plasma?
and what if i do want to watch espn or cnn for a whole day? then what?

It's not that simple. The problem has been solved, yet high end plasma continue to be released that don't incorporate whatever the solution is. The late-generation Pioneers were IR-proof... you should see how I've treated my 5080HD, and even painstaking obsession with various slides never revealed a trace of long-duration IR. When I originally purchased it I was still in college, so the TV's first few thousand hours consisted of being used in all of the worst ways you can imagine by a house full of college students (ESPN for hours, long video game sessions, movies and TV shows left paused for way too long).

Last year's 60"+ Samsungs (E6500 and higher, can't speak for the low end models) had similar IR performance to my Pioneer. It's unfortunate that they were fairly lacking in other image quality measures (IMO). The F8500 might be a good option if they've managed to preserve that performance (I'm personally not impressed with their 60ms input lag and the brightness pops, but that probably won't concern most).

Basically this is a 2012 Panasonic issue. And maybe 2013; we don't have reports about IR performance on these set yet since most people here won't buy at launch for MSRP. The 2012 Panasonic sets were overall quite excellent, but something they did to reach that level of performance left them prone to long-duration IR.

Edit: I just realized you were talking about your TV you already own. I read your post quickly and thought it was a question about plasma tech in general. I'll still leave the above because this is the IR thread and it's on topic.

I don't know what TV you have, but if it's a 2012 Panasonic the short answer is that you will probably always have the same IR performance as you do today. I've seen posts on here from people with 1 or even 2000 hours on these sets indicating no improvement in IR handling.
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