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post #4201 of 5199
I ran D-Nice's slides for 100 hours. No gaming. Maybe 200 hours on set. The logo I see IR from is from the station I watch my local and national news on
(ABC 7). Usually daily, M-F, couple of hours a day. The IR doesn't bother me in the least as I only see it under certain circumstances (just the right solid background). I have no complaints with the set whatsoever. Just was wondering about the benefits of running pixel flipper on some type of regular basis as a preventative maintenance type of thing.
post #4202 of 5199
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Originally Posted by crn3371 View Post

I've noticed some slight IR from a channel logo on my 50st60. Doesn't bother me as it really doesn't show during regular viewing. What I'm wondering is if it's worth running screen wipe or pixel flipper every so often as sort of a preventative maintenance thing.

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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post

Absolutely, once in a while, preventive measure, can't hurt.

I recommend the pixel flipper found on the Disney's Wow BD

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Originally Posted by crn3371 View Post

I ran D-Nice's slides for 100 hours. No gaming. Maybe 200 hours on set. The logo I see IR from is from the station I watch my local and national news on
(ABC 7). Usually daily, M-F, couple of hours a day. The IR doesn't bother me in the least as I only see it under certain circumstances (just the right solid background). I have no complaints with the set whatsoever. Just was wondering about the benefits of running pixel flipper on some type of regular basis as a preventative maintenance type of thing.

Aren't you asking the same question as an hour ago ?? confused.gif

Just run it once in a while, IT'S GOOD TO DO THAT, no harm. tongue.gif
post #4203 of 5199
Question: when you look at the pixel flipper does it seem to create static lines that run down the screen. like the matrix opening but not green, just gray white static, and some strange form of lines. it's really hard to take a picture because of the detail levels are lost. but here goes.

http://cdn.avsforum.com/4/43/900x900px-LL-435009c4_pixelflippermaxtrix.jpeg

anyone else cares to share if this image looks normal to you please feel free.

NEXTDAY FOLLOW UP: I played the filpper disc on another tv, connected it up with the same bu-ray player and it worked fine so that told me it's not the player. so I tried again on my Panasonic tv and it didn't work again but I played with the settings on the tv and found the problem was the tv was set to FULL screen mode 1 and not mode 2 that is needed to see the pixels at full screen. as soon as I switched that mode on, it was like night and day better. IE no more matrix like bars running down the screen. I was worried that those lines would burn in or screw up my tv over time as it didn't look right.

it should look like it does on HD Nation with Robert heron
HD Nation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0hj5_9HSiI

this video link should be on the first page of this topic forum as it explains burn in break in very well. just a suggestion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiuL8Co3lX4

Sorry if some people got confused with my other problem that the dirty screen effect and is another problem altogether, that i hope will go away in time.
I have not run the pixel fliper yet as I am still taking it one day at a time.
Edited by Jarrycanada - 5/12/13 at 3:14pm
post #4204 of 5199
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post



Aren't you asking the same question as an hour ago ??
I was responding to MonicaJae who had asked about my usage, etc.
post #4205 of 5199
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Originally Posted by crn3371 View Post

I was responding to MonicaJae who had asked about my usage, etc.

Oh ok, I see, my answer wasn't good enough for you, gotcha now. tongue.gif
post #4206 of 5199
I am watching the shootout and everybody is pointing out the IR caused by 4x3 black bars in the two Panasonics. It was most apparent on the ZT.
post #4207 of 5199
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Originally Posted by GiantSquid View Post

I am watching the shootout and everybody is pointing out the IR caused by 4x3 black bars in the two Panasonics. It was most apparent on the ZT.

Really ?

I would think that this IR is far from permanent though.. How was the 8500 looking on that ?
post #4208 of 5199
I was impossible for me to see from the webcam but the people in the audience pointed it out.
post #4209 of 5199
Right, I see what you mean, I was watching last night for 2+ hours
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I thought it important to let others know the 411 regarding my P55ST60:

My son just finished up playing Black Ops 2 just now. He started at around ten this morning. Ran break-in slides to make a conscious effort to look for IR. Couldn't find ANY. He plays both core/hardcore; i.e., HUD display vs. No HUD-except for the occasional UAV hud in upper left for a 4 kill kill-streak every so often. That usually is pretty dynamic and somewhat transparent. He also played Battlefield 3 for a couple of hours, and Minecraft for about 2 hours. I asked him to turn down the opacity in MC.

He did have a 2 hour break when the Rangers/Capitols game came on. Left it on Full. Rangers won, BTW. Just thought I'd let that in smile.gif

OH, and we did watch one episode of Adventure Time for which I did zoom. I think I may start to tinker with normal viewing of stations with obnoxious static logos, e.g., Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, H2, NatGeo, etc. All HD. (for whatever reason, since the last Xfinity firmware update, Spongebob Squarepants is no longer full screen, so need to zoom it. Neither is the guide full screen anymore...annoying.)

I keep my settings at 50 or below and on cinema or hometheater. I am thinking about upping the contrast and brightness a bit. have it on warm2. Sharpness below 60. Even at these low settings, this tv is AWESOME! I can't get over the PQ. Really just sooo happy I made this purchase. The hockey game was beautifully displayed. The colors just POP right out of the screen. OMG Even in a well lit area it's easy to view. No complaints there.

Don't worry guys, i will report more as time elapses.

Must make a noticeable comparison here: Reds are red, blues are blue, greens are green, yellows are yellow, black BLACK...my point? On my samsung lcd, which i thought had a phenomenal picture, i could never get the Rangers' pants red or the home jersey truly blue. Now they look as they should. That's what I really notice. I never thought it was achievable. But here it is.

This set has about 300 hours on it with no black bar viewing (letterbox), no tickers, static logos at a minimum unless 'transparent'.

Peace, out.

biggrin.gif

I do have one question:

Even though I have the 4:3 content configurated to show the black bars at high (bright), It doesn't. I am not sure if it's not reading the signal correctly from my cable box? It's a digital cisco cable box from Xfinity/Comcast.

I never knew that Cable HD content was actually 1080i.
Edited by MonicaJae - 5/12/13 at 9:27pm
post #4211 of 5199
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Originally Posted by headlesschickens View Post



In reality the market they're focused on at this point is the serious AV guy who buys a high end TV for home theater use. This person realistically isn't going to let any kids or other family members use the thing for games or normal TV at all, and probably has no personal interest in those things. So the current level of IR performance fits that application; if your TV only sees BR disk movies and shows there's no such thing as IR because there simply are no static screen elements.

This leaves those of us who want a TV that can do both (be an the best home theater display AND the family general-purpose TV) without a good option. A guy like me who wants a HT-quality display for PC gaming is completely off their radar, but I understand that because I think that market is literally me and like 3 other guys on this forum. I'm going to continue to try to get reports on IR from 2013 models, but I'm not all that hopeful after reading what the insider had to say.

Well seems like they will only focus on English Speaking markets also. (or dubbing only markets). Because I didn't game on my Samsung PS60E6500, never watched TV (don't have cable). I only watched DVD's and Bluray's of TV Shows and I got 2 dark bars at the bottom of the screen from the subtitles. And this is even on the PS60E6500 which is according to reviews one of the most IR resistant TV's. So even subtitles are static for IR purposes. I ran the scrolling bar for over 100 hours now, but it's still there, more faint, but still noticeable during normal viewing when the camera pans up or down. I ordered the DIsney WOW disc now, hope it will help.
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Originally Posted by MonicaJae View Post


I never knew that Cable HD content was actually 1080i.

I think FOX and ESPN are the only channels that don't do 1080i and do 720p instead.
post #4213 of 5199
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Originally Posted by MonicaJae View Post

I thought it important to let others know the 411 regarding my P55ST60:

My son just finished up playing Black Ops 2 just now. He started at around ten this morning. Ran break-in slides to make a conscious effort to look for IR. Couldn't find ANY. He plays both core/hardcore; i.e., HUD display vs. No HUD-except for the occasional UAV hud in upper left for a 4 kill kill-streak every so often. That usually is pretty dynamic and somewhat transparent. He also played Battlefield 3 for a couple of hours, and Minecraft for about 2 hours.

Color me jealous! I played BO2 for an hour and BAM! Big time HUD ir. I plan to keep running slides during the day to age the panel but seeing posts like yours is making me think I may have a bad set.
post #4214 of 5199
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Originally Posted by GunmetalR56 View Post

Color me jealous! I played BO2 for an hour and BAM! Big time HUD ir. I plan to keep running slides during the day to age the panel but seeing posts like yours is making me think I may have a bad set.

how long have you owned it and did you break it in before playing? I have some 200+ hours on it and was really careful not to play games on it right away. I'm pretty OCD...

I'm no expert, but every review or thread about new plasma's recommend break-in periods. OK, i may have lied a little--I did play BF3 like the first week I got this to test my insecurities and get an idea about plasma in general. suffice it to say i did get some IR. not too major but enough to scare me into not playing for a little while longer just to be sure. smile.gif So yeah i ran the screen wipe and slides for a while and just watched full screen content. and like i said, no problem here smile.gif knock on wood wink.gif

also, with the first IR issue, I had to consciously look for it to actually notice it.
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Originally Posted by MonicaJae View Post

how long have you owned it and did you break it in before playing? I have some 200+ hours on it and was really careful not to play games on it right away. I'm pretty OCD...

I'm no expert, but every review or thread about new plasma's recommend break-in periods. OK, i may have lied a little--I did play BF3 like the first week I got this to test my insecurities and get an idea about plasma in general. suffice it to say i did get some IR. not too major but enough to scare me into not playing for a little while longer just to be sure. smile.gif So yeah i ran the screen wipe and slides for a while and just watched full screen content. and like i said, no problem here smile.gif knock on wood wink.gif

also, with the first IR issue, I had to consciously look for it to actually notice it.
Breaking it in has no effect on IR. Even discussed at the HDTV shootout and confirmed by the experts. You can run slides for 500 hours, it does not mean you will not get IR.
post #4216 of 5199
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Breaking it in has no effect on IR. Even discussed at the HDTV shootout and confirmed by the experts. You can run slides for 500 hours, it does not mean you will not get IR.

I was extremely happy for this bit of transparent commentary. When I owned my Panasonic G10, its IR handling was not discernibly better nearly a year later than it was on day one. (and, of course, it significantly worsened after the much-loathed black level rise) Same with my Kuro -- absolutely FANTASTIC for the panel's entire life so far. My brother's 5+ year old Samsung plasma? The same.

I've always given the benefit of the doubt as my experiences were seemingly in the minority and do still acknowledge that running in a panel absolutely has a benefit, but I'm now more convinced than ever that hours of use doesn't carry with it a direct correlation to IR resistance.
post #4217 of 5199
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Originally Posted by CheYC View Post

I think FOX and ESPN are the only channels that don't do 1080i and do 720p instead.

That's right, afaik
post #4218 of 5199
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Breaking it in has no effect on IR. Even discussed at the HDTV shootout and confirmed by the experts. You can run slides for 500 hours, it does not mean you will not get IR.

Like I said I'm no expert and I guess I meant ageing the TV before maybe doing some of the things he's mentioned.


CNET Reader Mike Smith asks:
Is there some kind of burn-in procedure to run on new plasma TVs? I've read some crazy stuff online that says all sorts of things and I just don't know what is real from what is nonsense. Please let me know. Thanks.
You aren't kidding, there is some crazy stuff out there.
Plasma TVs, actually all phosphor-based devices, can suffer from something called image retention. This is when a bright image "sticks" on screen after it is supposed to fade away.
As the phosphors age, it becomes harder and harder to cause image retention. As I covered in my Is plasma burn-in a problem? article, image retention is the precursor to the much-

Geoffrey Morrison

Bottom line
Talk of burn in is largely fear mongering. I review plasma TVs all the time, and never have a problem, despite playing games on them. That said, I also know all the details of how they work, so I know not to only play games or only watch 2.35:1 movies. So for the first 100 hours or so (less than a month for most people), don't just watch one thing. It's that easy.
The reality is, modern plasmas are significantly more resilient than old models. So when you hear someone freaking out about plasma "burn in," ask them when was the last time they owned a plasma. I played some Day Z on a high-end plasma I recently reviewed just a few hours after taking the TV out of the box, and even after several hours of play, I saw no signs of image retention. They've gotten that good, or at least some have.
Like I mentioned in the burn in article, you're going to see image retention long before it's a serious issue. So stop worrying you're going to ruin your new plasma TV and just be happy it has a better contrast ratio than your friend's "LED" TV.
One last word of advice. If you're planning on having your TV calibrated, I'd wait for 200 hours or so. Let those phosphors settle in and get nice and comfy before you ask them to be really accurate. This is what David, Ty, myself, and other TV reviewers do before we calibrate the TVs we have under test.

I think he means David Katzmaier

Just going by other things I've read before considering a plasma. Like I said, I'm no expert, and I don't nor did I claim to be one by any means. Just offering my two cents. Do with it what you will.

Oh, and neither in my post did i say anything about NOT getting any IR. As a matter of fact, I see that I do mention that I did get some. Read it again, please.
Edited by MonicaJae - 5/15/13 at 4:22am
post #4219 of 5199
Well Isn't this a lovely day...

So, I was checking my screen after i had left BF3's menu there for maybe 10 minutes? Maybe 15... I came back to the tv, realized what I had done, went, "uh oh" and immediately put it into screen wipe and low and behold there was a Cartoon Network logo imprinted on the screen as plain as day... And It seems to be sticking around. My kids were watching it today, don't know for how long, but I thought I was safe after having aged it at least 300+ hours now, and even with screen wipe It's still there.

How do I determine whether it's stubborn IR or BI? There were some remnants of the BF3 menu, but that has since faded. Now it's at least 20 minutes running screen wipe and a pixel jogger to what it seems to be no avail. I received this tv on the 30th so i have at least 12 days left before I can turn it in. The question is, is this something I have to look forward to with another set? Is it f#$@ed? I mean if that is the case, why bother with a plasma? I love the pq and should be able to watch it like a normal person especially since it's been "aged". Also, why make a smarttv if the chance of IR or BI is that great? Those are pretty static menus. Don't they expect people to be using them? Or at least browsing them for some length or at least as long as they would like? I really can't tell if it's getting better. My eyes can't really tell the difference, but i think it hasn't really faded. As far as I'm concerned it's the same as when I first noticed it. I really don't want to have to get an LED. That would really suck arse.

Here's a pic, although it is more clearly defined than shows:



It looks worse when the screen wipe white rolls over it.

Still there frown.gif
post #4220 of 5199
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Originally Posted by MonicaJae View Post

Well Isn't this a lovely day...

So, I was checking my screen after i had left BF3's menu there for maybe 10 minutes? Maybe 15... I came back to the tv, realized what I had done, went, "uh oh" and immediately put it into screen wipe and low and behold there was a Cartoon Network logo imprinted on the screen as plain as day... And It seems to be sticking around. My kids were watching it today, don't know for how long, but I thought I was safe after having aged it at least 300+ hours now, and even with screen wipe It's still there.

How do I determine whether it's stubborn IR or BI? There were some remnants of the BF3 menu, but that has since faded. Now it's at least 20 minutes running screen wipe and a pixel jogger to what it seems to be no avail. I received this tv on the 30th so i have at least 12 days left before I can turn it in. The question is, is this something I have to look forward to with another set? Is it f#$@ed? I mean if that is the case, why bother with a plasma? I love the pq and should be able to watch it like a normal person especially since it's been "aged". Also, why make a smarttv if the chance of IR or BI is that great? Those are pretty static menus. Don't they expect people to be using them? Or at least browsing them for some length or at least as long as they would like? I really can't tell if it's getting better. My eyes can't really tell the difference, but i think it hasn't really faded. As far as I'm concerned it's the same as when I first noticed it. I really don't want to have to get an LED. That would really suck arse.

Here's a pic, although it is more clearly defined than shows:



It looks worse when the screen wipe white rolls over it.

Still there frown.gif
Every time I question if I made a mistake returning my ST60 I read a post like this and feel good about my LED. Also, people have told me I just got a bad panel. I say BS, the ST60 is prone to IR and just because someone didn't get it yet does not mean it is not coming. I didn't notice and IR until I was about 200 hours into the panel. I could have ran something for 5 hours and not seen any IR but then something I ran for 30 minutes would then stick around for hours or even a day.

What you have is not burn in, it is IR. Get the Disney WOW disc, is a has a pixel flipper. Run it overnight and turn up the contrast. Should be cleared up by the morning. If not, just repeat it overnight again. Based on what I have been reading and witnessed myself, I don't think there is anything wrong with your panel and another one will just do the same thing.

So you will need to decide if you can live with getting IR that can possibly be seen for days before disappearing. You also make a good point about the smart part of the TV. I was afraid to use it for to long because of keeping static images like that on the TV.
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I could swear I replied to this...

So here is the situation, how can one REALLY be sure it's not burn-in? Also, an hour or two later, when the screen gets white or just about white in that area, i still see it clearly. This is really bumming me out and I only have a few days before i can return this, or i'm SOL. mad.gif I really don't mind the wait if it definitely will go away, however, like i said, for sake of time, the wow disc will take a while to arrive, so not sure i have the time. Also, will i have to baby this thing and be "careful" forever or the life of this tv? i eventually would like to be able to watch this tv like a tv. i want to be able to not worry about the letterboxing burn in or static logo burn-in. Stubborn IR is one thing, but will it take longer to get rid of or if by unfortunate chance i should get the same thing with the CN logo again, is there a better chance it will become burn-in? BTW, which LEd did you decide on?

THanks for your input eric. much appreciated. smile.gif
post #4222 of 5199
It wouldn't be permanent burn in that quickly but if you keep watching cartoon network every day your gonna be looking at that logo for along time. I gave my old plasma to my brothers and they did nothing but play Episodes from Liberty City on it. After about a month I noticed the white life bar ring in the lower left was stuck on the screen. It took 2 months of viewing to go away completely now they play it without the map and hud and get owned cause they cant see anyone coming on the map. My experience with plasma.
post #4223 of 5199
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Originally Posted by MonicaJae View Post

I could swear I replied to this...

So here is the situation, how can one REALLY be sure it's not burn-in? Also, an hour or two later, when the screen gets white or just about white in that area, i still see it clearly. This is really bumming me out and I only have a few days before i can return this, or i'm SOL. mad.gif I really don't mind the wait if it definitely will go away, however, like i said, for sake of time, the wow disc will take a while to arrive, so not sure i have the time. Also, will i have to baby this thing and be "careful" forever or the life of this tv? i eventually would like to be able to watch this tv like a tv. i want to be able to not worry about the letterboxing burn in or static logo burn-in. Stubborn IR is one thing, but will it take longer to get rid of or if by unfortunate chance i should get the same thing with the CN logo again, is there a better chance it will become burn-in? BTW, which LEd did you decide on?

THanks for your input eric. much appreciated. smile.gif
It would not be burn in that quickly. I do not think anyone really knows how weill the TV will handle IR later on in it's life cycle since the TV is still so new. It might get better, it might get worse and it might stay the same. My panel got bad IR from the word Menu and also from Fox Sports. It took 2 nights of the pixel flipper to remove the work menu entirely. Also took 2 night to remove the word Fox Sports. Then watched Fox Sports again and it was back again. That is when I decided to explore my other options.

I ended up getting a Samsung 60es7500. I got a really good deal on it, paid $1,289 although that is still more then I paid for the 60ST60 which I got an insane deal on. So technically I did pay more for the LED which kind of hurts, lol. I wouldn't have settled on anything lower then that thought after owning the ST60. If I was going LED it had to offer a great picture and the Sammy does just that. Even in total darkness with it's local dimming on and the brightness turned down the screen is very uniform and no clouding can be seen. Sometimes I feel like it has a plasma type look to it. Colors are saturated and accurate and the picture is full of depth. With lights on the blacks appear blacker then black.

One weak point to an LED though is it's side angle viewing. It is frustrating to see the picture wash out from the sides.

If I had to pay full retail on an LED of this level not so sure I would have made the move. Probably would have just stuck it out with the ST60.

I still miss my ST60 but I think you might have to be willing to baby it for a while or possible forever. Like I said, no one has had the TV long enough to see how it will handle IR after 1,000's of hours. And honestly, down the line when the TV is no longer new you might not even care as much.

I will tell you this though, from what I have read about IR and burn in, the CN channel is one of the worst out there for it so it does sound normal you would get it from that channel.
Edited by eric3316 - 5/19/13 at 5:03am
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I will tell you this though, from what I have read about IR and burn in, the CN channel is one of the worst out there for it so it does sound normal you would get it from that channel.

CN's logo is terrible. Even on my Panasonic 800U, which is practically immune to visible IR, their logo can leave a faint trace of IR after a couple hours of watching although it clears in seconds.

While not exactly the same situation as yours, I ran my ST50 for 1,000 hours logo-free (not my usual 200 hour break in but it was easy since I couldn't move the ST50 into the media room as I needed a wall mount and couldn't buy one until I got paid the following month) and after having it calibrated I watched CN for 5 hours. The IR I got was very visible on any light or gray background but I was able to completely clear it by zooming out CN's logo and then running Adult Swim overnight, so approximately 4 - 8 hours.

I initially planned to sell my ST50 but instead I'm just watching movies (which look phenomenal) and then zooming out the logos and running Adult Swim overnight and Toon Nick while working (use Toon Nick since CN occasionally likes to run large banners) to quickly get the ST50 to 2,000 hours (1,674 per service menu). Once there I'm going to try running CN again for 5 hours to see if the IR is less visible (doubt it) or takes less time to clear (possibly) and with that knowledge just use the ST50 as I see fit from then on.

Edit: This is complete overkill and not something you should have to do for any plasma. I am only doing this because my work schedule is such right now that it's easy to rack up hours and my 800U is perfectly capable of watching TV or playing games for the short periods of time that I am not working.
Edited by Jeremyd5 - 5/19/13 at 7:22am
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your feedback, guys, is pretty inspiring. I ran screen wipe for a long time and although it's a little fainter, when/if I focus on it for too long it look like it did when i first saw it. maybe thats just my eyes and brain. It's still pretty noticeable, but I was not around when it was on so I'm not sure of it's duration. CN does have the worst logo ever, come to think of it so does nick. I think it was on custom, too, with defaults. that obviously would not have helped the situation. If I glance at it quickly on a white screen i don't see it, but when i stare it is so obvious! But it's a relief to know it isn't BI.

So, with the forever thing, would that be the same as watching letterbox content? That also worries me now too. It's weird because I wasn't getting IR before, at least not as noticeable as this one. even after watching full content movies and leaving the tv on all night and watching cartoons zoomed in blablabla. Oh, stressin, yay. :/

It's just that i'm worried cuz it's been about 10 hours. AAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHH eek.gifeek.gifmad.giffrown.gif

M
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I'm pretty sure I posted this a couple weeks ago in this forum but I've found that animation does a better job of clearing stubborn IR than the scrolling bar. Doesn't have to be Adult Swim or Toon Nick though. That's just what I use. Even a full screen animated movie would work. I've also read a lot of posts of people running the Disney WOW disc for IR but I haven't tried it.

I haven't had any issues with letterboxed movies on the ST50 but I do tend to naturally switch between full-screen and letterbox aspect ratios when selecting movies. Habit I guess. I'm sure you could run into problems if you only watched letterboxed movies or a lot of 4x3 content but if your mix up your viewing you should be fine.

Edit: Nick's logo is pretty bad too. It's certainly large. mad.gif
Edited by Jeremyd5 - 5/19/13 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by Jeremyd5 View Post

I've found that the scrolling bar does not do a great job of removing stubborn IR. My experience has been that animation does a better job of clearing IR. What I do when I get IR is I tune to CN/Adult Swim and just zoom it so that the CN logo is removed and then letting it run overnight during Adult Swim until the IR is gone. One thing to mention is that I wouldn't recommend running CN unattended during the day as CN occasionally likes to run annoying banners or counters for new episodes or specials. Adult Swim is fine though.

Just read with interest your comments above as I am debating about getting a Panny ST50 vs ST60 & recall my old Sammy plasma break-in I did 4 years ago:

200 hours in low brightness/contrast setting of CN zoomed-in.

Except for the occasional 20-30 secs of IR, It turned out great for the 4 years I owned it.

Question: I see you did a heck of a lot of 'prepping & scrubbing' & yet you got some minor IR & were concerned enough to get rid of your TV?
Was the thought that the IR was semi permanent or what?
post #4228 of 5199
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Originally Posted by tripleM View Post

Just read with interest your comments above as I am debating about getting a Panny ST50 vs ST60 & recall my old Sammy plasma break-in I did 4 years ago:

200 hours in low brightness/contrast setting of CN zoomed-in.

Except for the occasional 20-30 secs of IR, It turned out great for the 4 years I owned it.

Question: I see you did a heck of a lot of 'prepping & scrubbing' & yet you got some minor IR & were concerned enough to get rid of your TV?
Was the thought that the IR was semi permanent or what?

I understand your concern. Don’t let the amount of IR posts deter you from a new ST50 or ST60, they are great panels. Many Panasonic users have not experienced stubborn IR or at least have not noticed it during normal TV viewing. I would put AVSForum members is the vocal minority. My panel has over 700 hours and use it as I please w/o much IR worry. I did run slides, out of box, for two weeks nonstop. When I wasn’t running slides I watched only full screen content. My set is IFS calibrated and black bar IR is a non-issue. With the exception of Blu-Rays I only watch full screen content. I have had no IR visible with regular content. When I check with colored slides I have noticed IR from various games and notable channel logos like, History. Most of my IR has been noticeable on two darker grey slides. My IR has easily been removed by watching full screen content or running the Disney WOW pixel flipper, which I use overnight about twice a month. I also admit to be concerned about IR when I purchased my LCD several years back.
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Originally Posted by MonicaJae View Post

I could swear I replied to this...

So here is the situation, how can one REALLY be sure it's not burn-in? Also, an hour or two later, when the screen gets white or just about white in that area, i still see it clearly. This is really bumming me out and I only have a few days before i can return this, or i'm SOL. mad.gif I really don't mind the wait if it definitely will go away, however, like i said, for sake of time, the wow disc will take a while to arrive, so not sure i have the time. Also, will i have to baby this thing and be "careful" forever or the life of this tv? i eventually would like to be able to watch this tv like a tv. i want to be able to not worry about the letterboxing burn in or static logo burn-in. Stubborn IR is one thing, but will it take longer to get rid of or if by unfortunate chance i should get the same thing with the CN logo again, is there a better chance it will become burn-in? BTW, which LEd did you decide on?

THanks for your input eric. much appreciated. smile.gif

Bummer this has happened to your panel. If you have time, I would run the Disney pixel flipper over a night or two to see if that helps. I can understand why you’d want to switch to a LCD. I maintained an all LCD household until my son was out of the house.
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Originally Posted by tripleM View Post

Just read with interest your comments above as I am debating about getting a Panny ST50 vs ST60 & recall my old Sammy plasma break-in I did 4 years ago:

200 hours in low brightness/contrast setting of CN zoomed-in.

Except for the occasional 20-30 secs of IR, It turned out great for the 4 years I owned it.

Question: I see you did a heck of a lot of 'prepping & scrubbing' & yet you got some minor IR & were concerned enough to get rid of your TV?
Was the thought that the IR was semi permanent or what?

I broke in my 800U the same way you did and IR has been a non-issue and it still is a great plasma. Initially I had some similar IR concerns (there's some very old posts on here about it) but once I learned that the IR I was seeing on the 800U was very minor I quickly got over it and just started using the 800U as I normally would with no problems.

Flash forward to my purchasing the ST50 and I was surprised by the severity of the IR (I've actually never had IR that distinctly visible before) considering how much longer than normal I broke in the HDTV so I went online and the first thing I read was the CNET's IR story. I again panicked and decided spur of the moment that I didn't want to chance ruining such a beautiful picture by playing games for too long and put the ST50 up for sale. I have since come (mostly) to my senses and have closed the for sale ad and am going to keep the ST50.

One of the things that helped is that I remembered how much NCAA March Madness (especially during the first round) I watched and how I hadn't noticed any visible IR from all the static logos afterwards. I also have played multiple 2 hour sessions of Gears of War Judgement (interspersed with other content) and haven't noticed any severe IR like the CN logo. And of course having the CN logo disappear after the overnight running of Adult Swim helped too.

If you watch a lot of movies and are less interested in gaming and cable/satellite HDTV, the ST50 is a easy recommendation. After Chad B.'s calibration, the PQ of the ST50 blows my old 800U out of the water and I hear the ST60 is supposed to be even better. Even if you do play games, I tend to agree with Cuda that while there are definitely bad panels, I think the majority of owners are extremely happy with their ST50s. Just my 2 cents.
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