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post #4711 of 5199
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

Right now, you would be better off sticking with fullscreen content and running at high contrast settings. It will take some time, but your issue should go away. Has it become any less pronounced?


I ran a couple loops of Avatar, and I have been running slides for 12 hours. I can see the IR. it is the same.
post #4712 of 5199
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

HD Netflix, Pixar / full screen blurays movies are all fine. Show us a pic of your setup.


Pauls TV has a warehouse somewhere in the LA area where I live so they were able to deliver the TV quicker unlike the TV stand which is in transit from the Eastcoast. I am still doing my homework on a surround sound system. I will be picking up a Panasonic BDT500 from Frys today if they can lower the price.
post #4713 of 5199
Panasonic may exchange the set if you call them; I've read several posts in the past where they have done this, even though it is not listed in the warranty. Worth a shot.
post #4714 of 5199
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

Panasonic may exchange the set if you call them; I've read several posts in the past where they have done this, even though it is not listed in the warranty. Worth a shot.

thanks for the advice. I am giving them a call now.

update: technician will come Thur next week to fix it. any idea how they fix Burn in? or they have to replace the panel?
Edited by foxnews - 9/19/13 at 11:08am
post #4715 of 5199
I'm kinda worried about 2:35 border uneven wear too, since the LX-5090 is used mainly for movies, most of them are 2:35. Apart from animated movies which are 1:85 but the percentage of live action is much higher. From new I watched 4:3 and I noticed uneven wear, thankfully I caught it really early as I watch in darkened room, with a backlight. There was a black screen and I noticed banding...thought huh...and just happened to be where 4:3 borders where. Took a long time to even out.
post #4716 of 5199
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Originally Posted by foxnews View Post

and no CC, I learned a hard lesson.



Mind to share your story?
post #4717 of 5199
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Originally Posted by Tuco Salamanca View Post

Mind to share your story?

read my posts from the last two pages, this week.
post #4718 of 5199
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Originally Posted by Tuco Salamanca View Post



Pauls TV has a warehouse somewhere in the LA area where I live so they were able to deliver the TV quicker unlike the TV stand which is in transit from the Eastcoast. I am still doing my homework on a surround sound system. I will be picking up a Panasonic BDT500 from Frys today if they can lower the price.

Cool, that is a fine choice on the Blu ray player. I was going to buy that one or the Oppo 103 but decided to wait and get the PS4. I have the PS3 now for Bluray.
post #4719 of 5199
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Originally Posted by foxnews View Post

thanks for the advice. I am giving them a call now.

update: technician will come Thur next week to fix it. any idea how they fix Burn in? or they have to replace the panel?

Not sure.... I'm sure you will get a new panel.
post #4720 of 5199
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Originally Posted by foxnews View Post

I owned a few plasmas over the years but did not have burn-in until now. Maybe that was the reason I underestimate plasma burn-in. I recently bought a new panasonic 65ST60, little over two months. I have a burn-in caused by closed caption watching TV shows. I searched on google and found someone else has this exact situation. I quote his post below. I ran screen wipe for hours and also turned off CC on my Apple TV for weeks now but the reddish/pink burn-in still shows iwhen the background is white or gray. Is this permanent? I can't even watch foreign movies now since it requires CC.


"...
I've had the Panasonic TC-P60VT60 for a few months now, and have just noticed what appear to be little reddish squares towards the bottom of the screen. After investigating, I'm pretty convinced it's come from the fact I watch a lot of Apple TV with closed captioning turned on. The little red "squares" are actually where the closed captioning letters have been appearing - and it's more pronounced in center and gradually clears up towards the edges (most closed captioning is centered). Two lines of the little red squares, too...."


update on a service call to Panasonic...

The technician came today and said he had another client who has the same issue with the same tv, 65ST60 built in the same month, March 2013. The technician said he believes it is the panel issue which lacks the green color cell causing pink/reddish marks. He said He have not seen this for a while and was surprised to see this with low usage, 220 hours, for a new TV. The other client's TV has 500 hours usage. He is communicating with Panasonic field rep about this issue. They made him to replace the power supply for the other client TV, which did not fix anything. He also said Panasonic might know something wrong but did not tell him. He said there might be hundreds of TV with this same issue in the country, since there are at least two in Charlotte area.

He said that since 2013 TV panel and back plate is too thin, it is hard to replace the panel without breaking it. So Panasonic does not replace panel anymore, starting a month ago. Any panel replacement request will initiate replacing a new TV. They will send his company a new TV in the box, and his company will ship it to my house and swap out the TV. This can take 10 days. He said it will be a brand new TV since Panasonic does not replace wtih refurbished TVs. out of TV brand names, he said Panasonic got the best service.


My concern is that (1) was panasonic aware of this issue? (2) if they were, did they fix it at production line? (3) if they fixed it, how does the replacement request specify for a panel from a fixed batch?
if none of this happens, I will end up with the same issue a few months later.
Edited by foxnews - 9/27/13 at 9:44am
post #4721 of 5199
If it is a manufacturing defect, it most likely only impacts a specific batch. Take note of your current serial number and compare it to the set you receive. Hopefully, you will receive a later build that does not suffer from the problem.
post #4722 of 5199
First time PDP owner. (Samsung PN60F5300). The previous sets I've owned are a 46" Samsung DLP and a 47" LG Infinia edge lit LED.

Let me see if I understand correctly. I need to:

Not watch any 4:3 or letter boxed content until the TV has 200 or more hours of operation to prevent image retention/burn in.

This set has a scrolling screen option and pixel shifting. The pixel shifting is not available when overscan is turned off.

I have "movie" selected and have color, contrast, tint, and sharpness set at 50.

Some questions.

Which is better to used for breaking in the set, the bright white on the DVD or the scrolling bars?

What are the rules for PS3 games and 4:3/letter box content after the break in period?
post #4723 of 5199
Congratulations on the new display. Stay away from from black bars in general for he first 200 hours and go light on the contrast if watching anything with logos. There aren't any specific rules to gaming or 4:3 content once break-in is achieved, just be kind to the set and use commonplace sense. Also, IR is inevitable with any plasma display, so don't worry if you see it some point. Just use fullscreen mode with high contrast to get rid of it, Avatar works great. The good thing is Samsung is supposed to have very good regulation of IR.
post #4724 of 5199
That's good to know. I'm a Godfather Trilogy fan and almost three hours each I'd hate to think my beloved GF will kill my TV
post #4725 of 5199
Guess i should put in my 2 cents....

I bought a PN60F8500 about a month ago....

I broke it in watching LOTS of tv shows.. by the time i got my remote and checked the hours.. i was at 230 (probably close to OR over 300 now)...

I switched the TV to PC mode (puts the tv in Standard mode, which is REALLY Bright) and adjusted my cell to 7, contrast to 80, and brightness is around 50......

Ive been playing GTAV in about 4 hour sessions all week long every night...

Got to say.... when i am done.. i have been paranoid and always to the scrolling thing to check the screen for IR.... the HUD on the bottom left always leaves a small trace of IR where the health/stamina/armor is located. It clears up in about 30 seconds to 1 minute when i run the screen wipe.

I have been changing my content as well.. usually when i am done playing i watch my tv shows (Breaking Bad (miss it), Boardwalk, etc).... so so far everything is peachy. Luckily for rme.... about 4 hours of gaming gets me tired so i switch to a different source.... dont know how this will hold up when i really start to Game with the ps4/xboxone....

But so far.... i am very happy. IR goes away extremely fast and it is not a problem...

Wish there were more Long term testing with the F8500 series PLasma as far as IR or Burn- In goes...
Anyone done any marathon gaming?Like 6+ hours? I got a buddy who swears his Panny VT50 has no issues. he has all his settings maxed and gets no IR or burning using the tv for marathon gaming.
post #4726 of 5199
CNET's accidental burn in test.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57449881-221/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test/
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We accidentally let a static image run on three plasma TV review samples overnight, and a Samsung beat two Panasonics at avoiding image retention, aka burn-in.
post #4727 of 5199
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Ive read that previously... And it is comforting to know the Samsung turned to be the best panel.

The plasma on that accident was not a F8500 tv though...... This years panel may be different? Anyone know?
Edited by Cg006 - 10/1/13 at 8:50am
post #4728 of 5199
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Originally Posted by Cg006 View Post

Ive read that previously...

The plasma on that "accident" was not a F8500 tv though. This years panel may be different? Anyone know?
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Samsung seems to have a good track record against stubborn IR. Based on how you have been using he panel, I don't think you have much to worry about. I have an ST50 and get temporary IR all the time but have not had any stubborn IR issues as many have experienced with the ST50. (knock wood)
post #4729 of 5199
Man these threads are long, I'm sorry if this has been asked but can I indeed just go to an HD channel and let it play for 100+ hours to break in? Can I turn it off and do my break in hours in "chunks". Like maybe 12 hours a day, for example. And finally, most channels have a little watermark type branding in the borner corner that seems to come up every once in a while and then goes away for a while. Wouldn't that be bad furing break in? As I look over at my current TV now I AM noticing that it's a white ghost/see through type image on this particular channel.
post #4730 of 5199
Yes, you can use a particular channel, but with caution. Use a channel that doesn't have logos and that plays continuously in fullscreen. Also, you can break-in using chunks, it doesn't have to be continuous. A couple caveats about using a cable channel, I doubt you will find one that doesn't use logos and aspect ratio shifts periodically, so I would recommend using a fullscreen blu-ray (Avatar works great). Congratulations on your new set.
post #4731 of 5199
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Originally Posted by svt2nv View Post

Man these threads are long, I'm sorry if this has been asked but can I indeed just go to an HD channel and let it play for 100+ hours to break in? Can I turn it off and do my break in hours in "chunks". Like maybe 12 hours a day, for example. And finally, most channels have a little watermark type branding in the borner corner that seems to come up every once in a while and then goes away for a while. Wouldn't that be bad furing break in? As I look over at my current TV now I AM noticing that it's a white ghost/see through type image on this particular channel.
I agree with Tom Riddle. Just watch as much full screen non logo content as you can for the first 150-200 hours. You call also overscan the image to limit the effect of logos and black bars during this time.
post #4732 of 5199
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Originally Posted by Cg006 View Post

Guess i should put in my 2 cents....



I broke it in watching LOTS of tv shows.. by the time i got my remote and checked the hours.. i was at 230 (probably close to OR over 300 now)...

Where does one find the hours meter? (service menu?)
post #4733 of 5199
It is typically in the service menu. If you need the code, I would look on the forum for your particular set. Be careful entering the service menu, one thing changed in there can really mess up your set.
post #4734 of 5199
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Originally Posted by machavez00 View Post

Where does one find the hours meter? (service menu?)




You need to have the traditional remote control.

It's : mute, 7,3,7 ENTER
The hours is called. MRT
To exit the menu. I just power the tv off.
post #4735 of 5199
126 hours as of 2000 10/05/13
post #4736 of 5199
I am getting my first plasma (Panasonic 60VT60) in a week an am both excited and terrified at the same time. I'd have no problem 'maintaining' the set, however it's the other users in the house I'm worried about. Wife and mother in law.

I find it intersting reading how alot of plasma owners put up with some IR and/or burn in for the sake of picture quality. Almost like enjoying the small pops you hear in Vinyl records (which I do tongue.gif)

It struck me last night that there is a very easy solution to help minimizing IR that the manufacturers should include.

PIP! Picture in Picture!

Think about it...it's a feature that's been available since CRT. On a digital set there is absolutely no reason It can't be sized to any size or shape you want and be moved to anywhere on the screen to cover up a Station Logo or Gaming HUD.
In this PIP area program it to run a sweep every few seconds/minutes. Intermittently diisplay a reverse of whatever is in it. Change brightness/contrast. Run a pixel flipper....whatever the heck kind of strategy might be suitable or least obtrusive to viewing to jumble up the pixels in that area. It needn't have any kind of border. Just have the pixels in this designated area jostled around. I think even gamers wouldn't mind having their HUD grey out or be 'swept' every couple of minutes.

Watching TV is about relaxing, how can I truly relax when I'm concerned about IR and Burn in?

Comments? Thoughts? Has this already been discussed?
Edited by absurd_username - 10/9/13 at 5:22pm
post #4737 of 5199
updated from panasonic service call:

The technician delivered a new 65" ST60 in a retail box to replace my TV with burn-in caused by closed caption from Apple TV. He said another guy from a neighbor city got his TV replaced as well due to the same burn-in issue, caused by playing music with static screen. Both my old TV and his old TV were built in March 2013, and both new replacement TVs were built in Sep 2013. Hopefully this Sep batch does not have this same issue. The technician said the panasonic field rep would personally take the old TVs to investigate, instead of sending TVs back to factory as normal replacement.

The new TV got louder buzz than the old TV. Nothing is perfect mad.gif I like Plasma alot but buzz and burn-in are both deal killers. LCD picture quality is less but it has peace of mind.

on a side note, I asked him about the rumor that panasonic is pulling the plug on plasma by April 2014. He said a few of his clients mentioned about the rumor as well. He also mentioned that some of his clients run slide initially but he does not run slides on his plasma.
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Originally Posted by foxnews View Post

update on a service call to Panasonic...

The technician came today and said he had another client who has the same issue with the same tv, 65ST60 built in the same month, March 2013. The technician said he believes it is the panel issue which lacks the green color cell causing pink/reddish marks. He said He have not seen this for a while and was surprised to see this with low usage, 220 hours, for a new TV. The other client's TV has 500 hours usage. He is communicating with Panasonic field rep about this issue. They made him to replace the power supply for the other client TV, which did not fix anything. He also said Panasonic might know something wrong but did not tell him. He said there might be hundreds of TV with this same issue in the country, since there are at least two in Charlotte area.

He said that since 2013 TV panel and back plate is too thin, it is hard to replace the panel without breaking it. So Panasonic does not replace panel anymore, starting a month ago. Any panel replacement request will initiate replacing a new TV. They will send his company a new TV in the box, and his company will ship it to my house and swap out the TV. This can take 10 days. He said it will be a brand new TV since Panasonic does not replace wtih refurbished TVs. out of TV brand names, he said Panasonic got the best service.


My concern is that (1) was panasonic aware of this issue? (2) if they were, did they fix it at production line? (3) if they fixed it, how does the replacement request specify for a panel from a fixed batch?
if none of this happens, I will end up with the same issue a few months later.

Edited by foxnews - 10/18/13 at 6:47pm
post #4738 of 5199
Sound like a good idea but not realistic. who would want to manually turn on PIP and manually place it on the right spot? people should enjoy their TV with peace of mind, not to obsess with burn-in and try to prevent it.
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am getting my first plasma (Panasonic 60VT60) in a week an am both excited and terrified at the same time. I'd have no problem 'maintaining' the set, however it's the other users in the house I'm worried about. Wife and mother in law.

I find it intersting reading how alot of plasma owners put up with some IR and/or burn in for the sake of picture quality. Almost like enjoying the small pops you hear in Vinyl records (which I do tongue.gif)

It struck me last night that there is a very easy solution to help minimizing IR that the manufacturers should include.

PIP! Picture in Picture!

Think about it...it's a feature that's been available since CRT. On a digital set there is absolutely no reason It can't be sized to any size or shape you want and be moved to anywhere on the screen to cover up a Station Logo or Gaming HUD.
In this PIP area program it to run a sweep every few seconds/minutes. Intermittently diisplay a reverse of whatever is in it. Change brightness/contrast. Run a pixel flipper....whatever the heck kind of strategy might be suitable or least obtrusive to viewing to jumble up the pixels in that area. It needn't have any kind of border. Just have the pixels in this designated area jostled around. I think even gamers wouldn't mind having their HUD grey out or be 'swept' every couple of minutes.

Watching TV is about relaxing, how can I truly relax when I'm concerned about IR and Burn in?

Comments? Thoughts? Has this already been discussed?
post #4739 of 5199
Got a VT60 a few weeks ago. Last weekend I played Wind Waker HD on my Wii U for a couple of hours with default THX Cinema settings, which has a contrast of 50.

A couple of days ago I noticed IR from the game HUD! The HUD isn't even on the whole time during play, it disappears when you go into new areas and during cut scenes.

I've tried running scrolling bars and various other burn in fix videos for hours on end, including overnight, but the IR remains frown.gif

I'm pretty disappointed, it's totally ruining my enjoyment of the set. I have been too scared to play the game again since I noticed the IR.

Is it possible my set is faulty, surely it shouldn't be this easy to get burn in?

How come people keep saying that burn in is a thing of the past?
post #4740 of 5199
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Originally Posted by chr0m View Post

Got a VT60 a few weeks ago. Last weekend I played Wind Waker HD on my Wii U for a couple of hours with default THX Cinema settings, which has a contrast of 50.

A couple of days ago I noticed IR from the game HUD! The HUD isn't even on the whole time during play, it disappears when you go into new areas and during cut scenes.

I've tried running scrolling bars and various other burn in fix videos for hours on end, including overnight, but the IR remains frown.gif

I'm pretty disappointed, it's totally ruining my enjoyment of the set. I have been too scared to play the game again since I noticed the IR.

Is it possible my set is faulty, surely it shouldn't be this easy to get burn in?

How come people keep saying that burn in is a thing of the past?

if you read my previous posts, my new 65" ST60 got burn-in caused by closed caption from apple TV. The TV is only 3 months old. a panasonic technician came and said there is another person in the neighbor city has the same burn-in because he played music.

it seems that 2013 models are easy to get burn-in, ST60 or VT60.

what size is your TV? if you can't get rid of burn-in, try to call panasonic and they will replace yours with a new one, like they did to mine. I am trying to watch full screen movie/shows for the first 6 months.
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