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post #4771 of 5206
What are your guys concerns watching movies that have bars at the top and bottom. I have a 65 VT60 that I believe has burn in after playing 20 hours of Kindoms of Amalur.

I've decided to quit playing video games on the set all together, which completely sucks.

But now I am afriad to watch movies with the bars. That wipes out half of my movie collection.
Edited by hockeynut - 11/12/13 at 2:23pm
post #4772 of 5206
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Originally Posted by hockeynut View Post

What are your guys concerns watching movies that have bars at the top and bottom. I have a 65 VT60 that I believe has burn in after playing 20 hours of Kindoms of Amalur.

I've decided to quit playing video games on the set all together, which completely sucks.

But now I am afriad to wacth movies with the bars. That wipes out half of my movie collection.

You're being way too paranoid, if you really want to feel better play some break in stuff for ~200-400 hours and be good to go.

If you look at some of my earlier posts, my first few posts here after my DLP were about the Plasma and being freaked out by the IR.

I can tell you 3 years of what many people here would be considered abuse my family room 2010 Samsung 680 series plasma has no burn in and no long term IR. We're talking hours of pause screen, TV guide channel, ESPN all day, and my marathon gaming sessions.

Quite a lot of the time the TV was put in Vivid and kept on static stuff..

Seriously, unless the Panasonic's have gotten significantly worse than I wouldn't worry about it..
post #4773 of 5206
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Originally Posted by hockeynut View Post

What are your guys concerns watching movies that have bars at the top and bottom. I have a 65 VT60 that I believe has burn in after playing 20 hours of Kindoms of Amalur.

I've decided to quit playing video games on the set all together, which completely sucks.

But now I am afriad to watch movies with the bars. That wipes out half of my movie collection.
Put the picture mode on custom that keep pixel oribitor on
post #4774 of 5206
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Originally Posted by Kurtangletn View Post

You're being way too paranoid, if you really want to feel better play some break in stuff for ~200-400 hours and be good to go.

If you look at some of my earlier posts, my first few posts here after my DLP were about the Plasma and being freaked out by the IR.

I can tell you 3 years of what many people here would be considered abuse my family room 2010 Samsung 680 series plasma has no burn in and no long term IR. We're talking hours of pause screen, TV guide channel, ESPN all day, and my marathon gaming sessions.

Quite a lot of the time the TV was put in Vivid and kept on static stuff..

Seriously, unless the Panasonic's have gotten significantly worse than I wouldn't worry about it..

I'm not being paranoid. If you read my entire post you can see that my set already has burn in. And that was after proper break-in.

I also have a Samsung plasma that has been abused with static images and never a hint of IR or burn in. I've also owned prevouis models of Panasonic plasmas with no problems as well. There's something wrong with these new sets.

I like the suggestions of watching on custom mode and keeping the pixal orbitor on. I will use that for sure.
post #4775 of 5206
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Originally Posted by hockeynut View Post

I'm not being paranoid. If you read my entire post you can see that my set already has burn in. And that was after proper break-in.

I also have a Samsung plasma that has been abused with static images and never a hint of IR or burn in. I've also owned prevouis models of Panasonic plasmas with no problems as well. There's something wrong with these new sets.

I like the suggestions of watching on custom mode and keeping the pixal orbitor on. I will use that for sure.

Fair enough, I read "burn in" as "Oh my god my first sighting of image retention" so I misread the post.

That's really a shame.. wonder why they aren't as good.

My Sammy is on 4 pixels every minute for pixel shift/orbiter.. is there a similar setting on Panasonic?
post #4776 of 5206
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Originally Posted by hockeynut View Post


But now I am afriad to watch movies with the bars. That wipes out half of my movie collection.

I can't attest to how your Panny will handle it, but my Samsung seems to suffer no ill effects from movies with black bars. Most BD movies in my collection are 2.35 so that was a concern for me, too. I just followed the advice here and broke in my set for a 100 hours or so before watching those movies, and when I do watch one I try to watch some full-screen content afterward.

I also usually let my TV's scrolling bars run for several minutes after watching anything with black bars. It may not be necessary but it's simple to do and gives me peace of mind.
post #4777 of 5206
Try running the scrolling bar for an hour a few times a week. I run a timer app on my pc and sync with the scrolling bar time of 15 minutes. I can walk away and and check back on the time. You have to be patient it will eventually get rid of any stubborn image retention. Just avoid the channels with static logos especially if you aren't watching the station. If you have to watch something with a static logo you might want to change the ch during commercial breaks to switch content. Unfortunately this is the trade of for Panny PQ, but I don't mind it at all because its worth it.
post #4778 of 5206
You can also toggle overscan on/off to move the image and static logos around.

I've found that turning down Contrast to 65~70, from 80, significantly helps reduce the amount of (short-term) IR I get during gaming sessions.


Black bars shouldn't cause any issues after the TV has a decent amount of hours on it. The pixels are just off/dark for that period, and not really aging compared to the rest of the pixels.
post #4779 of 5206
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Originally Posted by hockeynut View Post

I'm not being paranoid. If you read my entire post you can see that my set already has burn in. And that was after proper break-in.

I also have a Samsung plasma that has been abused with static images and never a hint of IR or burn in. I've also owned prevouis models of Panasonic plasmas with no problems as well. There's something wrong with these new sets.

I like the suggestions of watching on custom mode and keeping the pixal orbitor on. I will use that for sure.

I sincerely doubt that your VT60 has burn-in. It is more than likely stubborn IR that will dissipate over time. You can run a lot of full screen content, a pixel flipper or even TV static.
post #4780 of 5206
My VT60 is only 167 hours, and I've already been leaving things paused for a prolonged period of time and I don't get a hint of stubborn IR.

I understand being cautious, but seriously, just enjoy your TV, instead of trying to nitpick any little thing you see. IR is real, but IR always goes away, assuming you change what causes it.
post #4781 of 5206
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Originally Posted by Cuda1169 View Post

I sincerely doubt that your VT60 has burn-in. It is more than likely stubborn IR that will dissipate over time. You can run a lot of full screen content, a pixel flipper or even TV static.

Well, I own the TV you don't. I know what I see. I have in the past weeks, watched nothing but full screen, no static images and also ran the color slides in torch mode for another 48 hours and it's still there.

Now call it what you want, stubborn IR, burn-in, either way it totally sucks.

Luckily, I noticed it before it got too bad and I can accept it. I know it's there but I am not going to let it bother me. It's just a shame that I have to be so careful with the set and can't just relax and enjoy it.

Aside from the burn-in/IR issue it is an incredible TV.
post #4782 of 5206
Fully agree that IR can be very frustrating. Stubborn IR can last a long time, especially when your panel is young. That said, it will eventually go away. What settings do you use for your panel, sometimes the 'Game" setting can be overly bright and cause IR?

IMO, color slides are useless for IR except for exposing it. The best thing you can do is run a pixel flipper or TV static. I use the Disney WoW pixel flipper and this helps with any nuisance IR. You can run it as long as you like, in your case that could be several days before you notice any improvement.
post #4783 of 5206
Cuda,

Thank you for the tips. I watch the TV downstairs in controlled lighting. So I don't really think I watch it very bright at all. I never tried the game setting. But you are right about the slides showing any kind of flaw. Perhaps it's time I moved away from them all together. I'll give the TV static a try for all while.

If this truly is stubborn IR and it evenutally goes away, I will be very happy and gladly admit I was wrong.

Thanks eveyone for the advice. I will update in a few days if it goes away.
post #4784 of 5206
I have about 1200 hours on my ST60 and I can still get a bit of stubborn IR from the Investigation Discovery channel even with contrast at like 60. Unfortunate this late in the game it can still get bouts of stubborn IR but I have yet to have anything I would call burn-in. Anytime my wife is watching that channel or I'm on NBA TV or ESPN, or I'm gaming with static HUDs, I keep the contrast at like 35-40 and it will still get IR, albeit that low of contrast it fades much quicker (within a few minutes). I wish it didn't get IR so easily though. I'd like to have basically 2 settings, my contrast at 60 for everything with logos, gaming, etc. and then my movie settings which are D-Nice's at 79 contrast. Hopefully I get to a point where I just say screw it and stick with those settings regardless of IR. It just gets old changing settings depending on content. Guess I just got one of the more susceptible sets for IR.
post #4785 of 5206
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Originally Posted by Raven Crimson View Post

I remember getting some pretty persistent IR with two games in particular on my 65ST30:

Castlevania: Harmony of Despair



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Call of Duty Black ops



In Castlevania.... I basically abused my TV for over 1000 hours with the static health/magic bar on the top left. (Yes, OVER 1000 hours). The bars shown here are always on, and when I joined online lobbies, there were even more bars next to it.
The game also had countless hours in the menu screen where it has 6 white rectangles where you and the other players in the room are located on screen.

The ST30 had these things basically burned onto my screen for months. The red and green bars especially (color and all). I was pretty convinced it was burn in. We're talking 1000 hours of actual playtime, more on the menu which isn't logged in the game. Well, months after not playing the game, all these things disappeared, even the colored bars which looked like burn in.


In Black Ops, the map's yellow triangle (shows your location), as well as the C4 icon (bottom right, and i always used C4), were pretty much always on my screen. These were also pretty persistent IR that lasted a few weeks to a few months. It didn't bother me since all of these things only showed up with certain colors (all green, gray, white screens), and almost never noticeable when watching other content. Still, it ALL went away given enough time viewing other content. So even if something looks like burn in, it seems that given enough time, it probably will go away. I think a lot of people scream bloody murder as soon as persistent IR shows up, but don't give the TV ample time to let it fade away. Yes, it may take weeks, or months, but it can happen (and did in my case of extreme static image abuse, it DID go away).

In most cases of IR, unless you've actively looking for it (and I'm sure you'll probably find some IR here or there), these things aren't noticeable when you're just sitting back and actually enjoying the TV.

I have a 60VT60 being delivered tomorrow, and I'll be gaming on it and enjoying it as much as I enjoyed my ST30 for 2+ years. I didn't baby my ST30, and in the end, all form of IR eventually went away before I sold it. I won't baby my VT60 either.

I'm almost fully convinced most cases of 'burn-in' is actually just persistent IR that people haven't given enough time to let fade away.

100% agreed.
post #4786 of 5206
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Originally Posted by garnettrules21 View Post

I have about 1200 hours on my ST60 and I can still get a bit of stubborn IR from the Investigation Discovery channel even with contrast at like 60. Unfortunate this late in the game it can still get bouts of stubborn IR but I have yet to have anything I would call burn-in. Anytime my wife is watching that channel or I'm on NBA TV or ESPN, or I'm gaming with static HUDs, I keep the contrast at like 35-40 and it will still get IR, albeit that low of contrast it fades much quicker (within a few minutes). I wish it didn't get IR so easily though. I'd like to have basically 2 settings, my contrast at 60 for everything with logos, gaming, etc. and then my movie settings which are D-Nice's at 79 contrast. Hopefully I get to a point where I just say screw it and stick with those settings regardless of IR. It just gets old changing settings depending on content. Guess I just got one of the more susceptible sets for IR.

My best advice to you, stop looking for IR. If you can't see it under normal viewing parameters, it isn't worth worrying about. Also, it is okay to turn the contrast up to a more pleasing level now, it won't hurt anything. I have the VT30 and watch Football all day with contrast set to 85; IR is definitely there after this (have to look for it though) but it is quickly gone afters switching to other programming. As you stated, it gets old changing settings, so find one that fits your viewing preferences and enjoy.
post #4787 of 5206
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

My best advice to you, stop looking for IR. If you can't see it under normal viewing parameters, it isn't worth worrying about. Also, it is okay to turn the contrast up to a more pleasing level now, it won't hurt anything. I have the VT30 and watch Football all day with contrast set to 85; IR is definitely there after this (have to look for it though) but it is quickly gone afters switching to other programming. As you stated, it gets old changing settings, so find one that fits your viewing preferences and enjoy.

this is best advise. after 500 Plus hours just go with you regular routine of watching tv and do not look for IR, trust me it goes away after changing the source, some go away soon some takes time, they are not visible during regular watching anyway, it does not change the enjoyment of watching.
post #4788 of 5206
How important is it to get rid of any short term IR before turning the TV off? If i've watched football on ESPN and had temporary IR that would normally be gone in 5 minutes, is it a big deal if i turn off the set while it's still visible?
post #4789 of 5206
Not a concern; I do it all the time. IR is a constant in Plasma technoolgy and is only a real concern in the infancy of the display. After the set is broken in, IR should be a non-issue. With that being said, it too depends on your willingness to stop looking for it. If you can't see it under normal viewing parameters, then it should be ignored. There are many people that check for the most minute traces of IR after viewing on slides or up close, which is pointless.
post #4790 of 5206
I have a new Panasonic ZT60 plasma. The factory setting for Contrast is 50. I have turned it up to 80-85.

Will this over drive or hurt the display?

Thanks,
Ken
post #4791 of 5206
What viewing mode do you have it set to that has it at 50? I would put more hours on the unit before turning up the contrast high for normal viewing; if it is on fullscreen with no logos, then high contrast is fine. I would put 200-500 hours on the unit before changing the contrast to preferred settings for normal viewing.
post #4792 of 5206
I have 100 hours on it. I have it on THX Cinema. Pretty much all of the modes are set at 50 from the factory.

I only watch full scree. Only some stations have a logo and then again, I don't stay on the same stations.

So is the higher contrast an issue?

Thanks,
Ken
post #4793 of 5206
Shouldn't be based on what you described. Just be mindful of logos until you get to around 500 hours and after that, shouldn't have any issues.
post #4794 of 5206
Is it better though if I turn down the contrast back to 50 during break-in, or is it OK?

Whats is a good burn in disk or program? Are they safe?

Thanks,
Ken
post #4795 of 5206
You're fine as long as you keep it in fullscreen mode and avoid static images. You can run color slides at full contrast Ina loop or pop in Avatar, works great.
post #4796 of 5206
Sorry to jump in on this conversation but we just purchased the 50" ST60 this weekend and had it up and running Sunday night.

Remembering what I have read here concerning plasmas (it is our first but still keeping the old Sony HD crt for gaming and SD content) we have been watching only full screen content with no logos etc.
Last night it was Finding Nemo blu-ray (wow is all I can say) and old episodes of Columbo

This afternoon I decided to make it an all music night and have been playing concert dvds for the last 6 hours. All viewing is full screen and Rush never looked better

Meanwhile, in another room Monday night football plays away on the CRT
post #4797 of 5206
Enjoy your new set! I'm continually amazed at the picture quality of my plasma. My led/LCD has a tough job, being constantly compared to a better set.
post #4798 of 5206
I bought the ST60 and have done the 100 hour slides and calibration. It has about 130 hours on it now total and I am wondering if it's safe to watch letterbox content now or should I wait until > 200 hours? It's hard to find films that are not letterboxed and my backlog is waiting.
post #4799 of 5206
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Originally Posted by Chris NYC View Post

I bought the ST60 and have done the 100 hour slides and calibration. It has about 130 hours on it now total and I am wondering if it's safe to watch letterbox content now or should I wait until > 200 hours? It's hard to find films that are not letterboxed and my backlog is waiting.

I started watching letterbox films on my Samsung at around 100 hours and I've had no problems at all. But as I mentioned earlier, whenever I watch a letterbox film I always run the scrolling bars for a while afterward. I also try to watch some full-screen content as well before watching another letterbox film.
post #4800 of 5206
I have the LG 50PA5500 with about 1200 hours of playtime.

I usually have the orbiter on when watching local channels.

I mostly watch movies on that set, every night for like 2~3 hours with black bars.

I can see the IR but it usually go away after I watch full screen content.

So far I am happy with the display, no worries about IR or burn-in.
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