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post #691 of 4262
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Originally Posted by leftkidney View Post

but yea the 8G's blacks are unacceptable to me, I havent seen the 9G in person yet but if it is even slightly grey I cant have it

1. Just wondering... what kind of display are you using? It is the second blackest panel on the market. The blackest panel is the 9th G Pioneer.

2. I have the 8G panel, I don't see "grey" in the blacks. Are you sure you're not seeing it perform under "Dynamic Mode"?

3. The industry unanimously find that the 8G was the blackest panel ever built... and it's not black enough for you? weirrrrrrd.
post #692 of 4262
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Originally Posted by leftkidney View Post

well some people are stupid as hell and they must think it has to be there

its like those tickers - what am I sosposta read this or listen to the show? I cant do both!


but yea the 8G's blacks are unacceptable to me, I havent seen the 9G in person yet but if it is even slightly grey I cant have it

burn in is a major concern of mine since I know 3 people who have plasms that are burnt in permanently, one from only playing Madden on PS2, (you can see the score in the corner) and the others from HTPC's and the start button or the scroll bars along the side of the screen and bottom



I guess the question would be, is there a way to get the display replaced from burn in? - do they say this cant happen anymore? - burn in that is

or could I do something to the display to render it broken for the purpose of getting it replaced because of burn in - if it wont turn on can they really tell there is burn in?


I would not reccomnend to break your tv intentionally and do that. That is not only dishonest but also illegal more than likely. That's asking for trouble.

If you mess your tv with burn in up I could see you being upset, I really don't think these tv's would have game modes built in if you could not game a normal amount on them.

If you saw a burnt plasma recently it had to be a really old or cheap one otherwise someone just abused it. I do not believe a panny, sammy, or pio would do that.
post #693 of 4262
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

1. Just wondering... what kind of display are you using? It is the second blackest panel on the market. The blackest panel is the 9th G Pioneer.

2. I have the 8G panel, I don't see "grey" in the blacks. Are you sure you're not seeing it perform under "Dynamic Mode"?

3. The industry unanimously find that the 8G was the blackest panel ever built... and it's not black enough for you? weirrrrrrd.

I have a SONY CRT Trinitron and I have bought a panasonic plasma (not sure of the model but it was last year around novomber and was a new model) and it was not black enough

the 8G is the blackest panel ever made yea, but not blacker than a CRT - and it was actually black but I had to adjust the brightness lower than normal - I only got a .025 ire as the lowest black level measured - I have herd the 9G's are around .012 to .008 at the lowest, my CRT measures .003 to .000 at the lowest - I have measured this with the CP5000U
post #694 of 4262
Ahhhh, the CRT. Yes, nothing matches the CRT just yet. I find that the 8G is close enough to the point that I've bought one, but when compared to the 9G, 8G is not acceptable to me too. I've pre-ordered the 50" Signature Series panel.

Panasonic, on the other hand, both 850 and 800 series, they are not nearly as black as where they are supposed to be. PoS, IMO (I had the 800U for a week before I returned it).
post #695 of 4262
it was a 50" I had but returned it in 4 days

I also returned some DLP's and LCD's as well - now I cant buy electronics at my local best buy, I have to go to another one that I havent returned 5 TV to, he he he

so the 8G is not good compaired to the 9G but hows the 9G as compaired to CRT's
post #696 of 4262
.. enjoy your CRT's, all 40-something "s of it.
post #697 of 4262
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Originally Posted by daniel'son View Post

.. enjoy your CRT's, all 40-something "s of it.

what's the point of having huge screen size when the picture quality looks like @$$. On the other hand, there is a balance between quality and size. For me it's the 8G Kuro panels, for him (maybe) the 9G.

The 9G, IMO is as good as a CRT. No need to take measurement unit out. Trust your eyes. Do you like the PQ or not. As simple as that.
post #698 of 4262
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

what's the point of having huge screen size when the picture quality looks like @$$. On the other hand, there is a balance between quality and size. For me it's the 8G Kuro panels, for him (maybe) the 9G.

.. don't know from where your assessment came from, but from mine, the 1150hd i have & a relative's 50" A550 look very good w/ noticebly good blacks & colors.

maybe not as caught-up in darks as others, but am enjoying what is available to view 'now'.

p.s. I went from a 46" toshiba crt RPTV & relative, a Sony 32" trinitron.
post #699 of 4262
well, it's all relative. I stare at weekly-calibrated CRT monitor every day at work so anything outside of that bugs me. I also have the PRO-1150 and that's the 1st FPD that's acceptable for me. Now that I've been seeing the 5020 quite often, I find that the PRO-1150 black level is not acceptable relative to the 5020.
post #700 of 4262
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

well, it's all relative. .. Now that I've been seeing the 5020 quite often, I find that the PRO-1150 black level is not acceptable relative to the 5020.

.. yes, indeed & you've found your solution then. congratulations.
post #701 of 4262
My 46" Hitachi CRT RPTV had burn in after two years. And I was reasonably careful about it, stretching the screen or using gray bars most of the time.

It was worse on the left side, which leads me to believe it was caused by the channel guide on my old Dish 812 reciever, which got used a lot. The guide on this model did not fill the screen so it left black bars, and the left side was much brighter than the right in contrast to the black bars. I now have a VIP 622 so that shouldn't be an issue.

There is no question in my mind that my new plasma may burn if I'm not careful. I'm just completing my break in period, so far have not noticed any IR. The 50pz80 (my TV) demo unit at Sears, which has been playing Blu-Ray movies with black bars top and bottom almost exclusively all day long for several months, did show some IR when I switched to full screen but within a minute there was no trace that I could see.

I know some have claimed that it is still an issue if you know how to look for it, but if you don't notice it in normal viewing I wouldn't consider it a critical issue.

I guess my point is that although I don't doubt burn in could happen, even with my previous burn-in experience I'm not too worried about it. For the money, Plasma is just too good to pass up. I like LCD, but to get similar overall picture quality in a 50" I would have had to have spent a lot more money.
post #702 of 4262
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Originally Posted by daniel'son View Post

.. yes, indeed & you've found your solution then. congratulations.

the biggest question is now how can I get rid of my PRO-1150 that's less than 3 months old
post #703 of 4262
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

the biggest question is now how can I get rid of my PRO-1150 that's less than 3 months old

.. i thought there was a part of this 'site' that allowed us to advertise; then again, you've made a pretty good announcement just now. Seems many are desiring the model & unfortunately chosing the "wrong outlet" to buy a used one from. Should be from a member (like yourself) who more than likely has handled the set properly.

add: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/vbclassified.php
post #704 of 4262
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Originally Posted by leftkidney View Post

it was a 50" I had but returned it in 4 days

I also returned some DLP's and LCD's as well - now I cant buy electronics at my local best buy, I have to go to another one that I havent returned 5 TV to, he he he

so the 8G is not good compaired to the 9G but hows the 9G as compaired to CRT's

Ha, I can't go in my local one either- they told me not to come back, But they did give me 5 defective sets in a row. So I'd rather go somewhere else anyway.

Thought it was just me.
post #705 of 4262
On the main page it stated that plasmas have settings to defend against IR also, on top of Burn-In.
What is this setting if I may ask? Pixel Orbiter? Im getting a new Panny hopeflly and am wondering if it will have this option for gaming.
post #706 of 4262
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Originally Posted by btdvox View Post

On the main page it stated that plasmas have settings to defend against IR also, on top of Burn-In.
What is this setting if I may ask? Pixel Orbiter? Im getting a new Panny hopeflly and am wondering if it will have this option for gaming.

.. primarily for the Pioneer owner's; this may help though (Panasonic):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=946603
post #707 of 4262
^^ Man It says that the break in period for Panasonics in Canada's have already been put in!!! Thats awesome (Im in Canada)
post #708 of 4262
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Originally Posted by ALSW View Post

Ha, I can't go in my local one either- they told me not to come back, But they did give me 5 defective sets in a row. So I'd rather go somewhere else anyway.

Thought it was just me.

wel I didnt get defective ones so much as I told the sales person that I want to take it home and see if the blacks are dark enough for me compaired to my CRT - he laughed and said and I quote "anything is better than a CRT" what a dunb @ss I called him out on this right away (since I am training to be a ISF calibrator) and he still acted like he knew what he was talking about and told me he would personally handel the return if I didnt like it

well lets just say that after I did this 5 times or more, he had apparently researched it in the weeks following my "laughing in his face" because of the comment about CRT's, and the return of the 3rd TV in only 12 days, after this we tried 2 plasmas one a Pioneer - non KURO - and 1 a Panasonic (maybe 800u or something like that) which both were returned only 3 days after getting them home and calibrated properly were not up to par with my CRT

it was after the last TV was returned that I was told I cant get anymore at this store and I was pointed to a Magnolia store (which I didnt even know I had in this state) and now I have held off on getting more so I dont get kicked out of this store and maybe get a kuro 9G
post #709 of 4262
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Originally Posted by leftkidney View Post

wel I didnt get defective ones so much as I told the sales person that I want to take it home and see if the blacks are dark enough for me compaired to my CRT - he laughed and said and I quote "anything is better than a CRT" what a dunb @ss I called him out on this right away (since I am training to be a ISF calibrator) and he still acted like he knew what he was talking about and told me he would personally handel the return if I didnt like it

well lets just say that after I did this 5 times or more, he had apparently researched it in the weeks following my "laughing in his face" because of the comment about CRT's, and the return of the 3rd TV in only 12 days, after this we tried 2 plasmas one a Pioneer - non KURO - and 1 a Panasonic (maybe 800u or something like that) which both were returned only 3 days after getting them home and calibrated properly were not up to par with my CRT

it was after the last TV was returned that I was told I cant get anymore at this store and I was pointed to a Magnolia store (which I didnt even know I had in this state) and now I have held off on getting more so I dont get kicked out of this store and maybe get a kuro 9G

They had a Pioneer that was old enough to be a non-Kuro? I figured the oldest they would have there would be an 8g.
post #710 of 4262
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Originally Posted by jrcorwin View Post

They had a Pioneer that was old enough to be a non-Kuro? I figured the oldest they would have there would be an 8g.

this was around a year ago or more
post #711 of 4262
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Originally Posted by plmn View Post

My 46" Hitachi CRT RPTV had burn in after two years. And I was reasonably careful about it, stretching the screen or using gray bars most of the time.

It was worse on the left side, which leads me to believe it was caused by the channel guide on my old Dish 812 reciever, which got used a lot. The guide on this model did not fill the screen so it left black bars, and the left side was much brighter than the right in contrast to the black bars. I now have a VIP 622 so that shouldn't be an issue.

There is no question in my mind that my new plasma may burn if I'm not careful. I'm just completing my break in period, so far have not noticed any IR. The 50pz80 (my TV) demo unit at Sears, which has been playing Blu-Ray movies with black bars top and bottom almost exclusively all day long for several months, did show some IR when I switched to full screen but within a minute there was no trace that I could see.

I know some have claimed that it is still an issue if you know how to look for it, but if you don't notice it in normal viewing I wouldn't consider it a critical issue.

I guess my point is that although I don't doubt burn in could happen, even with my previous burn-in experience I'm not too worried about it. For the money, Plasma is just too good to pass up. I like LCD, but to get similar overall picture quality in a 50" I would have had to have spent a lot more money.

I don't think there is an lcd that could match a panny plasma in existence right now, You made the RIGHT choice.
post #712 of 4262
Hey guys, let me start by saying this site is very nice! Thanks to everyone that had a hand in putting this site together.

Ok, Here it goes. I bought a 50" samsung HPT5054 720p plasma tv back in april. When I am watching HD movies on my Toshiba HD-A3, I notice alot of the scenes are grainy looking. I dont notice this as much when I watch HD TV. I have the SA HD recorder from comcast. I am using the same HDMI cables on my SA box and my HD-A3 player. I dont know if it's in the cables or what. I have seen people talking about these new 1.3 HDMI cables but I dont know what the big difference is. Can someone shed some light on this matter?
post #713 of 4262
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Originally Posted by Donnie_H View Post

.. Ok, Here it goes. I bought a 50" samsung HPT5054 720p plasma tv back in april. When I am watching HD movies on my Toshiba HD-A3, I notice alot of the scenes are grainy looking. I dont notice this as much when I watch HD TV. I have the SA HD recorder from comcast. I am using the same HDMI cables on my SA box and my HD-A3 player. I dont know if it's in the cables or what. I have seen people talking about these new 1.3 HDMI cables but I dont know what the big difference is. Can someone shed some light on this matter?

.. check yr settings & possibly using another type cable (component); refer link, starting w/ post #10:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...rainy+settings
post #714 of 4262
Thanks, I will try some of those settings and see what happend. I'm really not sure how many hours are on the set at this point. How do you tell?
post #715 of 4262
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Originally Posted by Donnie_H View Post

Thanks, I will try some of those settings and see what happend. I'm really not sure how many hours are on the set at this point. How do you tell?

.. accessing yr service menu, but it seems it 'resets' everything so proceed w/ this warning/caution:

http://samsungplasmatvfaq.com/index....ervice_menu.3F

add: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...s#post12843890
post #716 of 4262
I will pass on that one and just guess that it has over 500 hours on it. I get IR every now and then, but it goes away. I wasnt aware about running the scrolling deal at least once a week for a couple hours so I will start doing that. First plasma I have owned and it is fantastic. Thanks once again daniel'son
post #717 of 4262
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Originally Posted by Donnie_H View Post

I will pass on that one and just guess that it has over 500 hours on it. I get IR every now and then, but it goes away. I wasnt aware about running the scrolling deal at least once a week for a couple hours so I will start doing that. First plasma I have owned and it is fantastic. Thanks once again daniel'son

.. i wouldn't over-use the scrolling feature, only when IR is persistent & doesn't faint w/i reasonable amount of time. It appears yours is fine. Overusing, i've read, puts excess wear on your unit; only when needed.

add: pls acknowledge.
post #718 of 4262
Thanks Daniel. PM replied to.
post #719 of 4262
I just bought a 50" LG plasma 50pg25 i believe is the model. I bought into the futureshop salesman hype and went for that model instead of that samsung that i originally intended on buying. He told me it had burin in reduction features and lg covers all burn in with their warranty. This tv has absolutey no burn in features like the wipe or the orbitor.

Long story short, ive been playing BF Bad company and the image of the radar screen is not going away, as well as the ammo counter. Any tips on what i can do to get rid of it and prevent it in the future?
post #720 of 4262
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Originally Posted by mikey87 View Post

.. Long story short, ive been playing BF Bad company and the image of the radar screen is not going away, as well as the ammo counter. Any tips on what i can do to get rid of it and prevent it in the future?

.. you could try the break-in DVD (post #1); burn w/ ImgBurn (free program):

http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download

use in 1 hour spurts & mingle w/ some Pixar films to exercise the whole screen.

**add: page 86 of your owner's manual speaks of "white wash" function. * plus orbiter & inversion.
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