Master Burn-In/IR/Break In Thread Part II: All Posts Here Only - Page 27

Help! SA8300HD STB has caused burn-in on Pioneer Elite Plasma Pro930HD

Has anyone experienced this. I freaked out when I saw it. I do not watch 4:3 programming on my plasma so I was surprised when I saw a left line (moderate burn in) and a right line (very light burn-in) of screen and my Rogers cable providers logo (very light burn-in) on the top left of screen. Will this go away? After analyzing my viewing habits and patters I concluded that when I activate the Scientific Atlanta's TV guide(left info button) to access the programming, I must be viewing it for longer periods of time than normal and is therefore causing burn-in. I can only speculate this as I cannot think of any other type of abuse that I'm inadvertently causing to the dispaly.

Can anyone suggest what settings on the on the SA8300HD STB I can activate to lesson the light output of the TV guide and other on screen displays of this STB.

Thanks everyone. I sure hope someone can help or reassure me.

I just became a proud owner of a 58" PZ800U Panny.I downloaded the DVD breakin file to my SD card, and was curious of how much time I should allow for the slideshow to be on the screen. I ran it last night with a one second interval in between the different colors. Also I have read when running the breakin I should turn up the settings, is this true? Thanks in advance.

Check out the Break-in FAQ. Quick answer, let it run 24hrs a day, you'll hit your 100 hours much faster.

I just got an open box 8G Pioneer, i'll be receiving it sometime next week and wanted to ask a few questions concerning Burn in/IR/Break in.
1- Do i have to use a break in DVD, since this an open box unit i'm not sure if i should do that. Also if i watch full screen content for the first couple of weeks do i still need to use the break in DVD?
2- To avoid image retention and burn in what should i do if for a example if i need to pause a movie or a game, should i turn the tv off everytime i do that?
3-I'm new to plasma sets so any suggestions concerning Burn in/IR/Break in will be helpful

Most of the info in the Panasonic Break-in FAQ will apply to the Pio.

I want to break-in my Plasma with the slideshow pictures from the eaprogramming website. How long should each color stay on screen for? 30 seconds?

It's not critical. I just used the default on the Panny which I think is 5 sec. 30 seconds does seem a bit long though.

True or false? The more hours you put on your plasmas the picture gets better? If so, after how many hours?

after about 100 to 200 hours.

Oh no!!!

I left for a four day trip. Came home and my new 50" 40A450 plasma has "USA HD" logo on the screen. Anyway that I can get this off it? I put it on the white screen and I can see it still in the bottom right. I put the Burn-in DVD in the PS3 and have it playing right now. Is this fixable?

You must be joking! If you're not, good luck. That sounds like a textbook burn-in to me. Never going away is my bet.

My best guess is that it will go away eventually. Pioneer commissioned a study in 2005 where a static image, the menu from Half-Life 2, was left on the screens for 48 hours straight. LCDs tested showed no sign of image retention while it was clear on the plasmas tested. All traces of IR on the plasmas disappeared however after 24 hours straight of playing a DVD movie. Here is a link to the full report.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pi...0-%20FINAL.pdf

Bull.

Just run the Scrolling Anti-Burn feature or watch regular material for a couple days. It'll go away.

You're entitled to your opinion but I wouldn't call it Bull. That's a very long time on one image. In fact, if it does go away it will shed a whole new light on Burn-in probability.

i dunno, but all this IR/Burn-In talk is just scaring me. I don't have good luck with TV's to begin with, maybe I should just suck it up and spend the extra on a higher end Samsung LCD that I don't have to worry about.

I really do like the look of the Plasma better, but with my luck, I just don't trust it.

I'll try to assuage your fears.

Previous to my purchase of an 85u I had been looking for a new TV for 2-3 years, kind of hobbling by with my 15 yr. old 27" trinitron. The set wasn't just old it was failing in several ways; it had become so soft as to make text of any kind illegible, it would only power on after repeated (10-15 pushes) of the power button, the RCA ins were shorting, etc.

Why was I waitring so long? I too preferred plasma over LCD but the size/pricepoint/reliablilty just weren't there for me.

This year was the turning point. The 27" completely quit, forcing me to use an old 19" Sanyo (the Horror!). The price on larger plasmas came down a lot (in fact my target range had always been around $1k, I only paid about $200 more than that). The burn-in and IR resistance of these panels had improved so dramatically that it's almost a non-issue now.

As a reference point for the Brun/IR issue, I've got 4 kids, 2 teens and 2 toddlers. They aren't exactly the most attentive (the teens are pretty good though) to how they use the TV. I've not had a single issue of IR and certainly no Burn-in. I watch plenty of 4:3 (though if it's not HD I usually watch it in Just mode) and lots of letterboxed movies.

Fact is, if you like accuracy and film like quality, you won't be happy with an LCD. 120hz will not remove motion blur and nothing will help with off angle viewing.

So I'm debating between a 32" LCD and a 32" Plasma, particularly the Insignia NS-PDP32-09 which I've heard pretty good things about considering the price. I've been reading through this for around 30 minutes and still have some questions. Just keep in mind, that I typically will use this TV to watch sports, the news, play my Xbox 360, and will occasionally watch some movies.

1. After I run the burn in DVD for 100 hours do I still have to worry about burn in / IR, and if so how concerned should I be?

2. How prevalent is IR on plasmas? Should I expect to see IR every time I watch my TV for four or so hours?

3. Will there be any lag when playing video games on a plasma?

Thanks for all the help, all these posts have really guided me in how to approach buying a new TV.

Check the Break-in FAQ for the first two. On the third question, if your'e concerned about lag you should forget the LCD, no competition with plasma whatsoever.

I find it it interesting, yet understandable of course, the concern regarding IR/Burn in. I have a Samsung PN50A650 ordered from Amazon 9/9 due to arrive next week. I have downloaded the burn DVD and images to run off a thumb drive also. I have done my reading in the thread too. BUT...

If it helps anyone, I am replacing a Hitachi 51F510 RPTV that I have had for about three years. I was careful with contrast, brightness, etc. from the get go. However, from day one I played my 360 at least 2 to 3 hours each day. I believe I was playing Oblivion at that point. Static compass and gauges on screen. After playing I would leave the screen filled with some tv channel for an hour or so. Then turn the set off and repeat.

Within in a week or two I was playing up to 6 to 7 hours of games a day (yeah, I know...go outside ) and then l left the screen set to a channel after gaming for an hour or so.

Again, this is a CRT RPTV set. Have logged HUNDREDS of hours of gaming on it. Mostly gaming actually, I'd say 95% use rate....and....NEVER, not once has ANY IR or Burn-in occurred.

So YES, be "cautious" with the the new plasma - heck it is an investment after all. But I think the overwhelming terror some people feel is bad for your health.

Well put.

Then get ready to show some love!

I purchased a Samsung 58A550 in August from Circuit City for 3K. No mention of any "break-in period" from sales rep, installer guys, nor Samsung manual. First thing I did was pop a blu-ray movie with letterboxing (top/bottom black bars) into my new Panny blu-ray player and enjoy an incredible 1080P picture for the next 90 mins or so, then shut it down.

Later that day, sat down with the manual and checked out all the features, including the anti-burn in stuff, and put up the all-white screen. Surprise! Right where the movie was, there was now a faint-but-quite noticeable rectangular IR, with sharp borders indicating where the black letterbox bars had stopped. I ran the scroll feature for hours trying to get ride of this. Then I found this site, and downloaded, burned, and ran the break-in DVD at break-in settings for @ 250 hrs. None of these measures washed away the rectangular IR, which means it was permanent BURN-IN, probably from my having watched that movie at factory default settings.

I returned the set at the 30-day deadline, and they brought me a new one. This one I immediately turned down the settings to break-in levels, then put up the all-white screen. Lo and behold, I see 3 distinct, 3" wide horizontal bands of very faint blue color crossing the entire width of the panel, one a couple inches from the top, one in the center, the third a couple inches from the bottom.

I went ahead and repeated the break-in procedures to see if they would disappear. After 250 hours on the disk at low settings, they are just as noticeable as when delivered. My guess is Circuit City swapped me a previously returned set from some other chump, hoping I would not notice. I will be returning this one tomorrow, but here are TWO sets with clear burn-in on the panels, not simple IR that fades away in time.

My first set may have been factory new, but having rcvd no warnings nor advice re break-in settings, watching a letterbox movie for just 90 mins at factory defaults may well have caused this burn-in; unless that set was also a floor model or was not broken in either. The second set clearly had to have been either a floor model or a store return, since it had perm. burn-in upon delivery.

I must admit, however, that having followed the break-in advice from this forum, I have not experienced any additional burn-in issues, and only minimal temporary IR now that I'm watching using the C-NET post-break-in settings. The PQ is OUTSTANDING on this set, and I'd like to stick with this model if I can just get CC to deliver me a "pure," factory sealed model.

So a new BB opened up across the street tonight, I go in to check out the TV selection and there they have a 50" 720i Samsung plasma (I was looking for the 1080p 550, but since its discontinued they didn't get a floor model like the other local stores), the store had been open all of 20 minutes ever and it already had noticeable image retention. Now, i'm sure they had the TV on before the store opened, but enough to make it that noticable? The loop playing never had a logo on the screen for more than 1-2 minutes at a time. The Panasonic next to it was fine, the Pioneer above it was fine, but the Sammy, not so good at all. Threw the Scroller up for 10 minutes, came back, still pretty bad.

My friend's roommate (who has the 550 Sammy) has bad IR from an ESPN logo after watching a football game (and he broke his in) and had been trying to get it off without much luck so far.

As much as I want to love Plasma, its things like this that just scare me. I dunno.

I have a Samsung PN50A450 and I am getting some IR from the words "Searching For Game" in the Halo 3 matchmaking screen. I have been trying to get rid of it for several days now and so far I have not been able to get rid of it. I'm sorry but after this I will never recommend a plasma to a gamer. Everyone says oh it will be alright etc., but I am not getting that here. Maybe on other models, but Samsung pretty much sucks in Plasma.

Well I hate to say it but these are some of the primary reasons I shied away from the Sammys. In fact the only good arguments I could see in their favor was purported lower noise (which in fact hasn't been a problem on the Panny) and better settings controls. Other than that, I've not heard many good things about them where IR and Burn-in are concerned. I'm at several hundred hours now on my 85u with no IR and certainly no Burn-in.

Perhaps the reported IR and Burn-in improvements of the Pannys and Pios haven't been taken seriously enough.

There are plenty of gamers using Panny's by the way with no issues.

I've posted this same info several times, but it bears repeating given what's on this page of the thread.

I have a Panasonic 50PX77U, got it in January. When I got the set, it was set in Vivid mode with the contrast cranked all the way up. I switched it to Normal/Standard mode, cut the contrast to 50%, and started using it. A mix of Xbox 360 (mainly Call of Duty 4 and Mass Effect at the time), DirecTV HD, and movies. I let the set run overnight and during my work day a few times on HD Theater. After about a week I put the settings up to those from the CNET review and tweaked to my liking.

No break in DVD, no avoiding static images or games or letter box bars. The only IR I have ever seen on this set was after the first letterboxed movie I watched. The letter box bars were very slightly noticeable when the screen flashed back to the bright white Xbox loading screen when I stopped the movie. They returned to the same brightness as the rest of the screen in under 10 seconds. That no longer occurs.

I've been using the set as described above for the last 8 months and never see any IR and certainly no burn in. It just doesn't happen. Watched football all day last Sunday and not a hint of it.

Aside from the first week of having the contrast low and running some extra HD Theater, I don't take any major precautions. I do have the TV and my DirecTV box set up for gray bars on 4:3 shows, and I will use a stretch mode on the occasions that one of the HD channels is showing a 4:3 show.

jeff

I saw the same thing with the Pioneer Plasma at Magnolia. As much as people talk about burn in and image retention no longer a problem with plasma, it still occurs. The Pioneer set had been tuned to ESPN and as much as the Magnolia sales guy tried, he could not get rid of the ESPN bar burn in.

When I returned my first A550, I asked the clerk if I could check for burn-in on the floor model. He gave me the remote, and I put it to all white screen, and there was noticeable burn in bands and splotches all over the panel. I checked the settings, and they were on "VIVID", i.e. TORCHLIGHT settings!

Most all big screen showrooms use these settings to make the picture pop out at you as much as possible so you will buy them. The CC clerk had also never heard of "break in periods," so it's pretty obvious how they get this way.

From my experience so far doing break in at suggested settings from this site, and using the downloadable break in disk for 250 hours, then turning settings up to CNet review post break-in settings... I have yet to see any additional burn in from what was already on the panel prior to my following proper break in procedure. Any IR I've seen is quite temporary and quickly fades.

You may want to check your POST break in settings. If you have returned the TV to "Vivid" or even "Standard" with high brightness and contrast, you may be pushing it and causing burn in. The CNet settings recommend sticking with "MOVIE" settings and moderate contrast/brightness levels for low-lit rooms. We just watched The Bucket List on Blu ray last night at these settings, and the PQ was phenomenal! So much clarity and brighter than any movie theater projected image I've ever seen.

Also, if any haven't noticed, each source INPUT must be set separately from the others. Setting levels once for your cable box does not affect your DVD/VCR or any other inputs. HDMI 1 levels only set HDMI 1 input. ALL INPUTS being used MUST be set separately. If you use the break-in disk, be sure to set your DVD input as well as your cable/satellite input, and all others. ~ CA

Well, after thinking it over HARD, and discussing with wifey, I decided to return my 2nd 58A550. Called CC night before to see if they had yet recvd any Panny 800U's yet. They had not. Next day, stopped in at Magnolia A/V, and they had the 850U's in stock, on sale for $100 less than BB had the 800's. So I went to CC, returned the Sammy, headed back to Magnolia and bought an 850U!

Hard to blame the A550, though, as I think it was more a matter of poor communication with customers re CRUCIAL break-in procedures, as well as suspected shenanigans on CC's part in swapping someone else's returned panel all boxed up and looking "new." But since the 2nd A550 actually ARRIVED with faint blue "banding" burned into the panel, I can no longer trust CC and/or Samsung to take proper care of me when their plasmas are this susceptible to burn-in. I do believe that proper following of this model's break-in procedures as described on this site will prevent the problem; and if you can somehow manage to get a "clean" panel delivered, you WILL love the PQ on this baby.

Anyway, I'm moving over to the Panny 850U thread for now. Thanks, all, for your help and input! ~ CA

Hi guys,

Firstly thanks for this thread! I'm in need of some serious advice regarding IR which may have become burn-in on my 9G Pioneer plasma (the European spec 5090).

I have basically been playing GTA 4 on my PS3 on the Pioneer for a number of months *without* using the orbiter.. Now in hindsight I know this was silly but everyone on the UK forums was saying the Pioneer's are bullet proof and the orbiter wasn't really needed.

Anyway, I've been playing fairly regularly for 2-3 hours a time with 5 hour sessions being the norm over a weekend. I had a 5.5 hour session on Friday night and when I checked the display afterwards I could see the radar of the game showing up on black backgrounds and very clear on white.

I immediately ran the washer pattern for an hour while I slept. In the morning the IR was still there..I then ran it for a further 3 hours and by that point it had almost gone. I then used the set for normal content and it appeared to clear it so I assumed it had gone.

Today I ran the break-in DVD for 5 hours just for good measure and couldn't see the radar at all..

However, I checked tonight in total darkness with a black background shown and I could see the radar image still there..

Ok, it can't be seen from normal viewing distance but I am concerned that this is now permanent and of course will keep coming back if I play the game.
Is there a chance this will clear if I keep using the break-in DVD all week? If it does clear will the set be back to how it was from the start? I.E It will be ok to play the game again using normal precautions?

Any advice would be very well received!

I've had the set for 2 1/2 months.

I've attached a picture I have taken showing the IR of the radar (this has been overexposed / enchanced to show the IR).

Thanks in advance.