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post #31 of 146
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Originally Posted by doctorxring View Post

If this unit is like my BD10AK, it will only pass TrueHD
through OPTICAL as two channel, because that is the
limitation of the connection.

It passes multichannel decoded via HDMI and analog.

But the statement in the BD10AK's manual about TrueHD
only being passed as 2 channel stereo caught me off
guard too. But this was as optical.

dxr

Now that's more like it! Thanks for weighing in with your experience - it seems like a reasonable explanation.
post #32 of 146
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post


I might be done buying movies at $30 a pop to watch only once. Wonder how many others are thinking the same.

No way. First of all, if you shop in the right places you'll easily be able to find HD-DVD and Blu-Ray discs for anywhere from $15-25 which is only slightly higher than the price of a regular DVD. Also, while I love DVR'ing movies and concerts in HD the compressed audio and HIGHLY compressed picture make them absolutely no match for the quality of high def optical media.
post #33 of 146
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

I think you have a good plan.

I might be done buying movies at $30 a pop to watch only once. Wonder how many others are thinking the same.

Netflix might be a better idea. You can rent BD or HD-DVD or DVD. Plus they have downloads too (again, horribly compressed).
post #34 of 146
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Netflix might be a better idea. You can rent BD or HD-DVD or DVD.

Yes, but their inventory of these sucks so BAD that if you miss the first release date to ship, it is literally MONTHS before you will see the movie. I have been having these issues with them since I got an HD combo drive for my HTPC. They have really serious issues with this that need to be fixed.
post #35 of 146
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Originally Posted by CCDAstro View Post

Yes, but their inventory of these sucks so BAD that if you miss the first release date to ship, it is literally MONTHS before you will see the movie. I have been having these issues with them since I got an HD combo drive for my HTPC. They have really serious issues with this that need to be fixed.


I'm sure they don't stock many copies of HD-DVD or Blu-Ray discs because the market penetration of these formats is so small compared to DVD that it wouldn't make any sense for them to have a bunch on hand. I'm not saying it's right, but I can certainly see their reasoning for having a small amount of hi-def discs available for rent.
post #36 of 146
Here's my take on this: If it actually did do advanced audio via bitstream (not just a lame 2-channel variant) or internal decoding of same, it would have been very clear to us all. The fact is that Samsung is very UNclear about this which leads me to believe it will indeed be crippled out of the box.

Without advanced bitstream audio, this is far from a state-of-the-art player and I wouldn't entertain it for a second. I am also of the opinion that it's not the best move to buy it if you need/want this audio capability and operate under the assumption that "Samsung will fix it at some point". The fact is that Panasonic was able to introduce a BR player for half the price that could do this bitstreaming out of the box. No promises needed, no updates required. Of course if you need on-board decoding of these codecs, the Panny isn't for you either.

For me the bottom line is that there is simply no excuse for not doing this properly from the starting line.
post #37 of 146
Everybody needs to chill. I just got of the phone with Samsung's VP of sales in the Bay Area.

The player will decode everything from the Analog 5/6/7.1 outputs AND HDMI AND optical output.

There is a misprint on the manual and it would be corrected on the manuals that are inside the box once the player is released.

Dolby Digital Plus and Dloby True HD will play out of all the outputs except the analog Left and Right.

The DTS HD and DTS MA will also play out of all the outputs after the firmware update, that is being worked on as I am typing.

You are all sentencing this player to death and there is no crime committed yet. This thing will kick ass once it is released.
post #38 of 146
>Dolby Digital Plus and Dloby True HD will play out of all the outputs except the analog Left and Right.

Huh?? DD+ and TruHD "except the analog Left and Right"? I guess you mean the stereo outs not the left and right part of the 7.1 analogs, right?
post #39 of 146
RIIIGHHT...and you are? None of the advanced formats will play out of the optical audio (without being down-rezzed anyway).
post #40 of 146
i heard it can stop global warming.
post #41 of 146
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Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

Everybody needs to chill. I just got of the phone with Samsung's VP of sales in the Bay Area.

The player will decode everything from the Analog 5/6/7.1 outputs AND HDMI AND optical output.

There is a misprint on the manual and it would be corrected on the manuals that are inside the box once the player is released.

Dolby Digital Plus and Dloby True HD will play out of all the outputs except the analog Left and Right.

The DTS HD and DTS MA will also play out of all the outputs after the firmware update, that is being worked on as I am typing.

You are all sentencing this player to death and there is no crime committed yet. This thing will kick ass once it is released.


So says the guy with exactly ONE post to his credit.
post #42 of 146
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Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

Everybody needs to chill. I just got of the phone with Samsung's VP of sales in the Bay Area.

The player will decode everything from the Analog 5/6/7.1 outputs AND HDMI AND optical output.

There is a misprint on the manual and it would be corrected on the manuals that are inside the box once the player is released.

Dolby Digital Plus and Dloby True HD will play out of all the outputs except the analog Left and Right.

The DTS HD and DTS MA will also play out of all the outputs after the firmware update, that is being worked on as I am typing.

You are all sentencing this player to death and there is no crime committed yet. This thing will kick ass once it is released.

I know this is not about just audio but if you have a way to contact the Samsung rep. would you ask them about this? It is on page 32 of the manual. Many of us are concerned about not being able to play DVD+R/+RW discs.

Discs which cannot be played on this player.
BD-R BD-RE HD DVD-R DVD+RW
DVD+R DVD-ROM DVD-RAM CDV
CD-ROM CVD CD-I CD-RW
Super Audio CD(except CD layer) CDGs play audio only, not graphics.
Ability to play back may depend on recording conditions.
DVD-R DVD-RW (V mode) CD-R
The unit may not play certain CD-R and DVD-R due to the disc type or recording conditions.
Blu-ray/HD DVD is a new and evolving format. Accordingly, disc compatibility issues with new and existing
format discs are possible. Not all discs are compatible and not every disc will playback.
For additional information, refer to the Disc Type and Characteristics and Compliance and Compatibility Notice
sections of this Manual. If you encounter compatibility problems, please contact SAMSUNG customer care
center.
The unit cannot play CD-R and DVD-RW/-R recorded content such as divx, avi, mpg, mov, wma, mp3,digital
photo view(JPEG) file.
post #43 of 146
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Originally Posted by Scubawoman View Post

I know this is not about just audio but if you have a way to contact the Samsung rep. would you ask them about this? It is on page 32 of the manual. Many of us are concerned about not being able to play DVD+R/+RW discs.

Discs which cannot be played on this player.
BD-R BD-RE HD DVD-R DVD+RW
DVD+R DVD-ROM DVD-RAM CDV
CD-ROM CVD CD-I CD-RW
Super Audio CD(except CD layer) CDGs play audio only, not graphics.
Ability to play back may depend on recording conditions.
DVD-R DVD-RW (V mode) CD-R
The unit may not play certain CD-R and DVD-R due to the disc type or recording conditions.
Blu-ray/HD DVD is a new and evolving format. Accordingly, disc compatibility issues with new and existing
format discs are possible. Not all discs are compatible and not every disc will playback.
For additional information, refer to the Disc Type and Characteristics and Compliance and Compatibility Notice
sections of this Manual. If you encounter compatibility problems, please contact SAMSUNG customer care
center.
The unit cannot play CD-R and DVD-RW/-R recorded content such as divx, avi, mpg, mov, wma, mp3,digital
photo view(JPEG) file.

You just replied to a 1 hit wonder. I have a "feeling" that they have as much pull as we do. Really though people are getting all up in arms for something that isn't released yet so there has been no official confirmation of ANYTHING not even a firm release date. Yet we have people deciding not to purchase\\bashing based purely on speculation.
post #44 of 146
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

You just replied to a 1 hit wonder. I have a "feeling" that they have as much pull as we do. Really though people are getting all up in arms for something that isn't released yet so there has been no official confirmation of ANYTHING not even a firm release date. Yet we have people deciding not to purchase\\bashing based purely on speculation.


Since this information is in the manual for the unit itself it isn't speculation. I know with my Toshiba HD-XA2 the manual didn't say anything about being able to play DVD+R/+RW and Toshiba said it wouldn't, yet the machine does. So hopefully the manual is wrong. Maybe someone who buys the unit can see if they will play these discs and let us know.
post #45 of 146
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Originally Posted by Scubawoman View Post

Since this information is in the manual for the unit itself it isn't speculation. I know with my Toshiba HD-XA2 the manual didn't say anything about being able to play DVD+R/+RW and Toshiba said it wouldn't, yet the machine does. So hopefully the manual is wrong. Maybe someone who buys the unit can see if they will play these discs and let us know.

Thats what I am saying. We know the manual contradicts some of the information that has been released on this player. So really we dont know which is right. Since the player isnt out yet nothing can be confirmed. I wish people would just wait until someone on here has an actual production model and can report on it. Until then we are just speculating on information that might be wrong.
post #46 of 146
I think the 5000 will play the high end audio. But will it be able to play the video correctly? Many of us had the horror story which was the 1400. I had two of them. Glad I was able to swap for a panny bd30. The BB where I live has 5 1400 open box's. I hope the 5000 plays good for the people that get them. I myself like standalones for being purple. a35 and a bd30. Can play in diff. rooms if needed.
post #47 of 146
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

Everybody needs to chill. I just got of the phone with Samsung's VP of sales in the Bay Area.

The player will decode everything from the Analog 5/6/7.1 outputs AND HDMI AND optical output.

There is a misprint on the manual and it would be corrected on the manuals that are inside the box once the player is released.

Dolby Digital Plus and Dloby True HD will play out of all the outputs except the analog Left and Right.

The DTS HD and DTS MA will also play out of all the outputs after the firmware update, that is being worked on as I am typing.


Is is just me or does the above seem somewhat contradictory? First it's stated that it will decode & output 'everything' from all outputs and then he goes on to say that DD+ & DT HD will not play out of the analog left & rights and DTS HD & DTS MA will play out of all outputs after a firmware update.

So we're back to where we started from. This will not be a full-functioning player out of the box. So, as I said before, it does appear this player is initially crippled.
post #48 of 146
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Originally Posted by Scubawoman View Post

I know this is not about just audio but if you have a way to contact the Samsung rep. would you ask them about this? It is on page 32 of the manual. Many of us are concerned about not being able to play DVD+R/+RW discs.

Discs which cannot be played on this player.
• BD-R • BD-RE • HD DVD-R • DVD+RW
• DVD+R • DVD-ROM • DVD-RAM • CDV
• CD-ROM • CVD • CD-I • CD-RW
• Super Audio CD(except CD layer) • CDGs play audio only, not graphics.
Ability to play back may depend on recording conditions.
• DVD-R • DVD-RW (V mode) • CD-R
• The unit may not play certain CD-R and DVD-R due to the disc type or recording conditions.
Blu-ray/HD DVD is a new and evolving format. Accordingly, disc compatibility issues with new and existing
format discs are possible. Not all discs are compatible and not every disc will playback.
For additional information, refer to the Disc Type and Characteristics and Compliance and Compatibility Notice
sections of this Manual. If you encounter compatibility problems, please contact SAMSUNG customer care
center.
The unit cannot play CD-R and DVD-RW/-R recorded content such as divx, avi, mpg, mov, wma, mp3,digital
photo view(JPEG) file.

So this player can't play home-brew DVD-Rs? Is that true? So I would be back to needing two players even IF it eventually bitstreamed the advanced audio codecs. This really takes the only reason for me considering this unit (one player vs my current two) off the table.
post #49 of 146
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QodpxbSMs_4

It'll be interesting if one-posty McGhee up there is right, I'd sure like to find a player that does what we all want it to (seamless HDM playback, a profile upgrade from my BD10 and a speed/stability increase from my A1), along with, natch, analogue output of 7.1 from TrueHD/DTS-Lossless...

Throw in DVD-Audio and I'll pay double.
post #50 of 146
Is the new Panasonic DMP-BD30K the only new Blu-Ray or HD unit that has a SD card slot for showing pictures. Maybe the BDUP 5000 will not decode HD audio, but I know the panasonic will only send the HD signals as it does not have an internal decoder, and I don't think my Denon 4306 will decode those type of signals. So what I am looking for is not only the advanced HD audio signals, but someway to show pictures or home movies on my Panasonic monitor. Any idea's on what you have all seen. Thanks Bob H
post #51 of 146
I don't care about decoding cuz i have the RX-V3800, but also two proven players, Panny BD30 and Tosh A35. All i care is to get 24fps without stutters along with HBR audio

Historically Pannys have bested Sammies in the Blu realm, and i paid less for the combo along with an Oppo 980 to support my SACD habit this time DSD via HDMI.

Now, i will sell all 3 players once a true universal format player comes along.

Anyone want my gloss black PS3 20GB?
post #52 of 146
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Originally Posted by FrancescoP View Post

The last line of text in this page of the Manual suggests it's only stereo when decoding TrueHD:



source: Page 10 of the BD-UP5000 Manual: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...AA-BM_1119.pdf

Somebody should contact Samsung about this... it must be an error..

I have just delayed my order for the BD-UP5000.

I am concerned that it appears that they have chosen to only do the very basic 2-channel decoding of TrueHD - this is NOT acceptable.

I will not buy this player if it really only decodes 2 channel TrueHD - but I find it hard to believe that they would make this mistake on a high-end player, when even the A1 Toshiba can decode multichannel TrueHD.

If I get confirmation that it truly does decode multichannel TrueHD, then I will re-order.

EDIT* - Bardia, thanks for the info. I would really feel better if Samsung could confirm this somehow.
post #53 of 146
I have the PS3 and XA2 and definitely plan on waiting. I will not buy another player until these clowns can get there act together and put out a product that does what it is suppose to, in particular the LG dual player. Why on earth would this company put out that machine and it not perform the way it is suppose to. I believe it is going to be awhile until companies can get their acts together regarding the new audio formats, which blows, but than again my current system is fine with me.
post #54 of 146
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Originally Posted by rupertoooo View Post

I have the PS3 and XA2 and definitely plan on waiting. I will not buy another player until these clowns can get there act together and put out a product that does what it is suppose to, in particular the LG dual player. Why on earth would this company put out that machine and it not perform the way it is suppose to. I believe it is going to be awhile until companies can get their acts together regarding the new audio formats, which blows, but than again my current system is fine with me.

You can thank early adopters for this!
post #55 of 146
Hopefully we'll know something this week when the first users get their hands on v.1. My bet is that it will do multi-chan TrueHD from analogs/bitstream (along with straight PCM and DD+) and that the manual was just referring to the digital outs with the stereo TrueHD(see previous posts and bd-p1400 history) .
Ditto with the DVD+R contoversy - it will probably play them IMO.
DTS-MA should come with the first F/W.
Here's to being optimistic - my order is staying put with BBB...
post #56 of 146
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Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

Everybody needs to chill. I just got of the phone with Samsung's VP of sales in the Bay Area.

The player will decode everything from the Analog 5/6/7.1 outputs AND HDMI AND optical output.

There is a misprint on the manual and it would be corrected on the manuals that are inside the box once the player is released.

Dolby Digital Plus and Dloby True HD will play out of all the outputs except the analog Left and Right.

The DTS HD and DTS MA will also play out of all the outputs after the firmware update, that is being worked on as I am typing.

You are all sentencing this player to death and there is no crime committed yet. This thing will kick ass once it is released.

Bardia, please clarify your statement about "Dolby Digital Plus and Dloby True HD will play out of all the outputs except the analog Left and Right."
This does not sound right. If it is correct, it also does not sound acceptable to be missing the left and right channels for analog outputs.!!!

Anothre VERY IMPORTANT fact that MUST be included if Samsung implements the 5.1 and 7.1 analog outputs for HD audio formats is the speaker levels and distance management capabilities. Without this, these analog outputs would be crippled as you will not be able to set the proper time delays based on speaker distances nor the speaker levels for optimal listening experience.
I do not think that all the AVR (receivers) let you manage the speaker adjustments in the analog realm. AVR controls for speaker distance and level adjustments I believe are only when using the digital processed inputs (DSP digital domain). So the analog speaker managemet is a MUST have for ANY DVD player that provides the 7.1 analog outputs.

I want both internal decoding of the High Def Audio formats going to the analog outs as well as the bitstreamed through the HDMI 1.3a outputs. I have high-end gear that does not have HDMI jacks and I have a new Onkyo TX-NR905 receiver that does accept HDMI. But I want to be able to play HD Audio through my older systems too. I believe many many folks are in the same situation. The first company that offers all of this in a dual format player done properly and correctly, will win my money.

I want badly to order this dual format player, but I am on hold and will not buy it until it is confirmed that Samsung implements this analog outputs properly. Half-ass job = no sale!
post #57 of 146


Why would they put speakers in the front of the 5000?
post #58 of 146
Because this is the unit everyone had been waiting for!
Preorder versions also have a 1080p projector built in, and comes with a HDMI 1.3 version receiver.
It may even watch the kids and cook breakfast if it has the latest firmware update...
post #59 of 146
I'm not buying it because it says Samsung on it.
post #60 of 146
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Originally Posted by Slim GoodBooty View Post

I'm not buying it because it says Samsung on it.

Funny, that's akin to how I feel about Sony.
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