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Help, which used sub for $500?? eD A5-350 or SVS PB12-ISD/2

post #1 of 24
12/5/07 at 2:52pm
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So I'm replacing my HTIB speakers and sub. I got in on the black friday prices at AV123 and ordered 2 pair of x-ls an x-cs and a ULW-10. The problem is that I'm having second thoughts on the subwoofer, I'll be using the setup exclusively for HT use and am worried the ULW10 won't quite do it for me. I've hit up craigslist in my area and found the following available used:

Keep the ULW10 for ~ $250 shipped
SVS-PB12-ISD/2 for $500
eD At-350 for $500
Martin Logan Depth for $500 - Edit, may have been a mistake it's been removed from CL now.

I've asked the sellers if they'd accept a lower price but haven't received any responses yet. My budget doesn't fit a $500 sub (it's about $325) but I could probably manage if everyone thinks I'd do that much better with one of these over the ULW10. Are any of these prices incredible deals?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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post #2 of 24
12/5/07 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by lennon_68 View Post

So I'm replacing my HTIB speakers and sub. I got in on the black friday prices at AV123 and ordered 2 pair of x-ls an x-cs and a ULW-10. The problem is that I'm having second thoughts on the subwoofer, I'll be using the setup exclusively for HT use and am worried the ULW10 won't quite do it for me. I've hit up craigslist in my area and am looking at the following options:

Keep the ULW10 for ~ $250 shipped
SVS-PB12-ISD/2 for $500
eD At-350 for $500
Martin Logan Depth for $500

I've asked the sellers if they'd accept a lower price but haven't received any responses yet. My budget doesn't fit a $500 sub (it's about $325) but I could probably manage if everyone thinks I'd do that much better with one of these over the ULW10. Are any of these prices incredible deals?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

I do not know where you see the SVS for $500?

The ULW-10 is not a good sub for HT. You will end up wishing you had bought something else.

You should see which Ed sub you can actually afford. The A5-350 is $600, but it will hold you for a long time. There are other subs in the $450-$600 range that are really good.

The Outlaw LFM-1EX is a leader in bang for the buck. Nicer looking than Ed but maybe not as much performance as Ed. If you decided on Ed, prices are going up on 1/1/08.

I would not get the ULW-10 under any circumstances. Lots of history on sealed subs from AV123.
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post #3 of 24
12/5/07 at 5:04pm
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Sorry for the confusion, those are prices that I can get used locally that I found on Craigs List. Edited my original post to clear up the confusion.
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post #4 of 24
12/5/07 at 5:36pm
If you can really get the PB12 ISD/2 for $500, that should be a great sub for HT. That's my recommendation. If you're going to get an eD, might as well spend $100 more and get the new A5-350 - it's better than the one on craigslist, and NEW for only $100 more. Good luck.
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post #5 of 24
12/5/07 at 7:06pm
A Martin Logan Depth for $500 is a fantastic deal! That sub used to sell for over $1500.
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post #6 of 24
12/5/07 at 8:35pm
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I'm thinking that the ML Depth may have been a mistake... I emailed the seller and an hour later the listing is now gone... I'm going to pursue the SVS though, hopefully I'll hear something from the seller.
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post #7 of 24
12/5/07 at 11:43pm
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Originally Posted by spyboy View Post

I would not get the ULW-10 under any circumstances. Lots of history on sealed subs from AV123.

Just curious, can you elaborate on this?

I understand the ULW not being a good HT sub due to it's size, being sealed, and it's lack of extension.

Are there other issues with av123's subs? I am considering getting an X-sub. I know it's not sealed...just want to make sure there aren't some issues with their subs that I don't know about.
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post #8 of 24
12/6/07 at 9:44am
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Well the seller of the SVS got back and will only go down to $475. I did a bit of research and see the ISD/2 is the older model and it's in a tan color that I don't particularly prefer but I'm thinking this is a deal I can't/shouldn't pass up on. Any more thoughts on this?
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post #9 of 24
12/6/07 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by alphaiii View Post

Just curious, can you elaborate on this?

I understand the ULW not being a good HT sub due to it's size, being sealed, and it's lack of extension.

Are there other issues with av123's subs? I am considering getting an X-sub. I know it's not sealed...just want to make sure there aren't some issues with their subs that I don't know about.


The design of the X-Sub has been changed and there are no specifications on the changes. There is one picture of the new X-Sub next to the original X-Sub, posted on the AV123 Forum.

The changes may be an improvement, however, no one knows exactly what changes have been make. It looks like the port is larger, and the cabinet is taller.
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post #10 of 24
12/6/07 at 10:04am
I read about this on the forums over there. So far, there hasn't been an explanation about the change of the cabinet.

But as you point out, no one seems to know if that is the only change or if there were changes to any of the internals.
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post #11 of 24
12/6/07 at 11:34am
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Originally Posted by lalakersfan34 View Post

If you're going to get an eD, might as well spend $100 more and get the new A5-350 - it's better than the one on craigslist, and NEW for only $100 more. Good luck.


Being the seller, what do you mean by "better?"

Better to some people might mean getting it right away vs. a long wait.
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post #12 of 24
12/6/07 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by Danke View Post

Being the seller, what do you mean by "better?"

Better to some people might mean getting it right away vs. a long wait.

I figured that he was talking about your sub. I have pointed a couple of people in your direction, but I do not know if they contacted you.
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post #13 of 24
12/6/07 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by Danke View Post

Being the seller, what do you mean by "better?"

Better to some people might mean getting it right away vs. a long wait.

Curious ... why are you selling?
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post #14 of 24
12/6/07 at 12:13pm
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Curious ... why are you selling?

I was told it was the upgrade bug. I am pretty sure that he has an A7-450 ordered.
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post #15 of 24
12/6/07 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by spyboy View Post

The ULW-10 is not a good sub for HT. You will end up wishing you had bought something else.


Just to point out, the ULW from the black friday specials has a new 500W amp and not the original 350W from before. Not saying this makes the sub a whole new beast, just that there is a difference with these particular ULWs. I guess it remains to be see just how much better the sub is now, although I think it is just basically now the UFW10 in the ULW box.
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post #16 of 24
12/6/07 at 12:21pm
sorry, double post.
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post #17 of 24
12/6/07 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by Danke View Post

Being the seller, what do you mean by "better?"

Better to some people might mean getting it right away vs. a long wait.

x a billion.

There's nothing different between Danke's and a new one other than no wait.

Well, that and he didn't use it first if you bought one from us. But it's a sub.

$500 + no wait = no brainer vs. buying from us and waiting until 2008.

Yeah, I said it.
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post #18 of 24
12/6/07 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Schempp View Post

x a billion.

There's nothing different between Danke's and a new one other than no wait.

Well, that and he didn't use it first if you bought one from us. But it's a sub.

$500 + no wait = no brainer vs. buying from us and waiting until 2008.

Yeah, I said it.

Then if I were Danke, I'd hang on to the 15 until the 18 shipped and sell it on CL after the price hike. Being without a sub sucks .
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post #19 of 24
12/6/07 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

Then if I were Danke, I'd hang on to the 15 until the 18 shipped and sell it on CL after the price hike. Being without a sub sucks .

ron, you are quite the businessman...i'm not sure if the buyers would appreciate this suggestion though.
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post #20 of 24
12/6/07 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by BACONlover View Post

ron, you are quite the businessman...i'm not sure if the buyers would appreciate this suggestion though.

...my comment was more about being subless for a few weeks. I think the price is fair and will be easier to hold to when the new pricing takes effect.
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post #21 of 24
12/6/07 at 1:24pm
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So what's the consensus on the eD vs the SVS?
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post #22 of 24
12/6/07 at 1:43pm
I suggest SVS. REcently upgraded to an used PB12-ISD from Bic H-100. OMG this one rocks.
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post #23 of 24
12/6/07 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by Danke View Post

Being the seller, what do you mean by "better?"

Better to some people might mean getting it right away vs. a long wait.

My bad. Your A5-350 is a great deal at $500. I had misread the OP and thought he was talking about the older A5-300, in which case there IS a difference. You're right - I'd buy yours at $500 + no wait as well .
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post #24 of 24
12/7/07 at 11:52am
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Thanks for all the input guys, I'll be picking up my new SVS sub tomorrow!
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