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post #1 of 12
12/6/07 at 11:18am
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I'm sitting here at the apple store in London UK, cause its the best internet connection I can get right now. well the guys at MINEFILMS of UK have a 4K ultr deffinition camera called the RED. 5 times the resolution of HD!!!
4096x2304 pixels! sorry trying to listen and type at the same time. it actually has 4520x2540 but that isnt fully usable yet. it is designed for a full crew to use not a single person use.Its a modular design, body and all other parts are seperate. very cool ! It also uses film style lenses, so its like a still camera used to shoot video, as described by the presenter.

Too hard to pay atttention and repoert but this is going to make HD obsolete and our beloved CRT's wont be able to hadle that type of resolution. TSE are you listening! you need to get on the design board and come up with ultra high resolution tubes!

from the Apple store in london
Athanasios out !
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post #2 of 12
12/6/07 at 11:29am
That made it 8K with that resolution?
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post #3 of 12
12/6/07 at 11:38am
Pretty neat you get to see one.

The Red One camera has been all the rage since they started taking orders for it at NAB last year. Very groundbreaking camera. <$20,000 (plus lenses, VTR, etc.) compared to $100k+ offerings from the likes of Arriflex, Sony, Thomson. It will certainly put high-quality digital cinema acquisition in the hands of way more creative people than ever would have had access to anything like it.

It will be fun to see what kinds of films start hitting the streets in beautiful 1080p - projects that the big studios would never be interested in, but that film enthusiasts like myself are always eager to check out.

http://www.red.com/

The camera:


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post #4 of 12
12/6/07 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by ecrabb View Post

Pretty neat you get to see one.

The Red One camera has been all the rage since they started taking orders for it at NAB last year. Very groundbreaking camera. <$20,000 (plus lenses, VTR, etc.) compared to $100k+ offerings from the likes of Arriflex, Sony, Thomson. It will certainly put high-quality digital cinema acquisition in the hands of way more creative people than ever would have had access to anything like it.

It will be fun to see what kinds of films start hitting the streets in beautiful 1080p - projects that the big studios would never be interested in, but that film enthusiasts like myself are always eager to check out.

http://www.red.com/

The camera:


SC

Exactly what i thought, very cheap for what you get. the guys ant MineFilms were very cool and did say for now it has limitations but moistly regaurding software which will be upgradeable by firmware. I asked if there were any displays to show off this resolution and they kinda looked at each other not knowing what to say, and said there are but there very very expensive. I bet more than the camera itself! Anyone know of any?

Athansios
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post #5 of 12
12/6/07 at 1:09pm
Aren't there some theater use digital projectors that can display 4K?
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post #6 of 12
12/6/07 at 5:10pm
There are small 4k lcd displays that we use at work, I'll try to find out the model number.

Sony do cinema SXRD projectors that do 4K, look at projector central dot com. Not available to the general public, and about the size of a large fridge. (yes I've seen a cinema one, they're BIG).
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post #7 of 12
12/6/07 at 7:42pm
Up around 4K just spitting the data and streaming it off the storage device starts to get a little tricky. Yeah, that RED camera is fantastic. I'd love to have one of those things (Think 60FPS Nikon D80!) but I think it'll have to wait a bit...

In ten years, naturally, cell phone makers will have 4k video cameras in their cell phones, still with one stop of light sensitivity and looking through a lens that can only resolve 200x200 :P
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post #8 of 12
12/7/07 at 4:37am
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It was cool and he was explaing the limitations of the lenses and that remined me of our problems with lenses on our crts. he said they are working on making less expensive lenses for it the one he showed us that he says has the best resolving power was $20,000, more that the body of the camera ($17,000). but just thinking of what is coming in the future is scary. It be nice if we had a CRT to do that type of resolution ,how high do the 12 inch barco tubes go?

Athanasios
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post #9 of 12
12/7/07 at 5:51am
They started shipping (finally) at the beginning of September. Astro makes nice monitors (DM-3400) based on the CMO panel (3840*2160), they used to have a small version aswell, but haven't been able to find any info on that model, online. Seems they no longer make/sell the smaller unit. They are not the first to do so. Last year some Japanese guy at the NHK 8K demo, told me when I asked about an unmarked LCD, "it's no longer relevant, it's an IBM, but they already stopped making them".

They told me it was 30K (euro?), well at least that's 10K less than what they told me last year, when they were demoing the proto-type. The panel took much longer to reach production quantities than CMO expected, publicly. Initially, the Westinghouse TV was said to hit the US just before christmass 2005, at 20K USD.
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post #10 of 12
12/7/07 at 6:04am
Yeah 20K sounds more like it, they initially said they would come out with a lens at 3K USD or less. The storage pack would also be only a grand plus, or so, so you could get a camera at around 20K, as expected that was a bit too optimistic. There was some 2005 video online where the Red CEO was summing it all up, recently cleared the file from my pc, but perhaps you can still find it online.
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post #11 of 12
12/7/07 at 7:26am
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here is a link to the production company that did the demo at the London Apple store.

http://www.whatismine.com/shoot4k/html/aboutRED.htm

this links you to the red one info page.

Athanasios
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post #12 of 12
12/7/07 at 11:31am
Weak offer:

"An excerpt from the short film recently created by
Peter Jackson (with pre-production cameras from
Red Digital Cinema).

We have a mirror of the 1K resolution 91MB clip here,
courtesy of reduser.net."
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