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post #841 of 877
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Originally Posted by twenty/twenty View Post

Mark,

Some additional thoughts- I would get the Titan or the Christie and work a promotional deal with them. Hand every customer a flier on this great new device.

The video quality I have witnessed in every sports bar I have ever been in has been dismal. I assume he has some competition in his area, so promote the heck out of the new $70k state of the art video PJ system to the customers, depreciate the PJ, then take it home and use it in the HT. Replace it with the latest greatest and so on and so on.

Come on, lets be serious here.

Those would be 2 of the least suitable machines you could possibly use.

Do you also, honestly, think that those companies would do a promotion deal for a venue where their machines will look like crap? Get real.

There are machines far better suited to that type of venue.
post #842 of 877
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Originally Posted by twenty/twenty View Post

Mark,


It all depends on price, doen't it?

From least to most-Planar Viper 720p, Sim2 c3x1080, Christie HD6k-M, and DPI Titan Reference or Christie 10k-M.

At Cedia, the Titan Ref was projecting right next to it's one chip sibling in a bar type lighting scene. The Titan Ref was the clear winner in this setting. Easily better and quite noticeable, side by side.

If your friend wants the best........

I'm sure that $70K is out of his current budget, but I think that up to $30K is doable. He will soon be opening up another sportsbar in an upscale location next to Petco Park (where the SD Padres play) so the budget there might be larger.

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Originally Posted by LJG View Post

1080P is overkill, especially since a good majority of the sporting events will be broadcast on the ESPN affiliates icluding ABC which broadcast @ 720P

True, his current 720P displays look fine for his current use. Although 1080p displays will benefit from less SDE even with 720P content.
post #843 of 877
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Originally Posted by Mark Petersen View Post

I'm sure that $70K is out of his current budget, but I think that up to $30K is doable. He will soon be opening up another sportsbar in an upscale location next to Petco Park (where the SD Padres play) so the budget there might be larger.



True, his current 720P displays look fine for his current use. Although 1080p displays will benefit from less SDE even with 720P content.

Mark, using "videophile" PJs would be a total waste of money, and the PJs would never be able to yield their potential.

You mentioned earlier that ANSI was important. Id seriously forget that. The room wont yield more than a fraction of a high ANSI machines ability. I'd guess it would be under 100.

I'd certainly look to the business/venue sector, for something with some serious output.
post #844 of 877
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Originally Posted by coldmachine View Post

Mark, using "videophile" PJs would be a total waste of money, and the PJs would never be able to yield their potential.

You mentioned earlier that ANSI was important. Id seriously forget that. The room wont yield more than a fraction of a high ANSI machines ability. I'd guess it would be under 100.

My thinking at the time is that on/off would be affected the most but you're right contrast in general is going to be severely compromised.

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I'd certainly look to the business/venue sector, for something with some serious output.

Yup it looks like lumens and a good screen are what's important. The 5000 lumen mitsubishi light cannon that Darin referenced could fit the ticket.
post #845 of 877
He might want to consider the Silverstar. Good off axis viewing for a high gain screen, and he could save money on the projector cost, as well as electricity, and bulb costs.
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post #847 of 877
Funny how that PJ just showed up in the nick.

You guys aren't using your imaginations.

Set up the high end PJ in the new upscale bar, in an area that can be sectioned off for special events and parties for VIP's etc.

Private, catered party for 20-40 etc, etc., etc. Set it up like a private box or meeting room. Notify all the drug reps in town. Make sure not to violate any copyright or other laws that may pertain that I am unaware of.

Open it up to the main room for viewing when not reserved.
post #848 of 877
I actually think there is a *copyright law* pertaining to sports being projected on to a screen over a certain diagnol in a public space without approval.

Joey
post #849 of 877
Do tell.

It looks to me like a Directv/cable business package should cover most/all your bases?

It also looks like you could get an umbrella license to cover movies etc?

Interesting. Never really thought about it.
post #850 of 877
Sorry for bumping this old thread but sis not want to start a new one for my question.

I have recently bought a used but very low hour c3x 1080p and I am very happy with it. It looks fantastic in HD but I have noticed that it can have quite a bit of picture noise mostly in dark scenes when viewing standard def DVD's or low bitrate HD on satellite. It is something my RS20 did not have.
Would an ISF calibration help with this or can anyone suggest how to reduce or eliminate it.

thanks for any help.
post #851 of 877
I just bought a used Lumis and experienced the same - after calibration everything is fine. at first it should be enough to set brightness right (use AVS disc), but calibration is a must for such beautiful machine

hope that will help you

regards
post #852 of 877
Hi thanks for that I will arrange to get it done. I have heard that it is best to wait until it has done around 100 hours to allow the bulb to settle before doing a calibration. Mine is at around 25 hours.

I am using it with a Anthem D2V, Isco 3 lens and an oppo 83 BD player.
post #853 of 877
You should at least download the AVS test disc and set brightness and contrast. If you can set anything else with a blue filter or if the projector has a blue only mode do it. This will help at any bulb time frame and you can manually update the brightness and contrast as the bulb ages and dims. This way you will have a better picture all the time instead of just after calibration.

A few hundred hours after calibration and things will be off again.
post #854 of 877
I have a HD setup disc on bluray which I have used to set the contrast and brightness. I have aslo set it to HD and D65 in the colour menu.

I will get a professional in to do an ISF on the colour and ask him for some tips on keeping it up to scratch as the bulb ages.

thanks again
post #855 of 877
You could always buy a basic setup from SpectraCal or Chromapure to keep things in line. I actually enjoy recalibrating my projector every so often just to see if it haas drifted. In the long it is much cheaper to learn to calibrate then continue to pay someone, however, I understand many do not want to calibrate and that if fine too.
post #856 of 877
I am still luv' my C3X 1080 which I acquired 3.5 years ago and still workin' and lookin' flawless!
post #857 of 877
I cannot be bothered with all the tinkering. I bought a meter for my last projector and never used it once. I ended up selling it. Good intentions and all that

Good to know you are still loving yours Steve. Hopefully I can get the SD noise in the picture fixed. Hopefully the calibrator can use the D2V video processsor to sort it.

cheers
post #858 of 877
Hi can someone tell me what the latest software is for the C3X 1080P please?

My unit has started to have issues when switching sources or refresh rates.

My current software version is 3.13.18.

thanks for any help
post #859 of 877
Anyone

I have emailed Sim 2 but its the weekend so nothing back yet.
post #860 of 877
Have you tried bypassing the Anthem and going straight from your player to the projector?
post #861 of 877
Hi there yes I have and there is no difference.
post #862 of 877
Try updating the software to 3.14.11. As for RS55, having been spoiled by the image of the C3X 1080, you would be disappointed in the JVC.
post #863 of 877
Just an update I updated the software and it works fine now. I have found that I have an intermittent problem with the Anthem D2V which had caused the Sim 2 to crash. Once the software was updated it must have done a complete reset and it works okay. Looks like the D2V will need a looking at now. Forunately its still under warranty.
thanks for the advice.
post #864 of 877
What’s the final say on D65 Calibrated lumens on this unit?

I am running a 150" wide 1.0 Gain

Equivalent to 172" diagonal 178:1

Need as much light output as possible, but I only run D65 calibrated.

I usually Clip whites at about 240 for video material.
post #865 of 877
The thing will vary depending on a variety of other settings. I did a detailed analysis for a previous customer (same light engine and optics). Light output will very base don throw position (non constant aperture lens), Power setting, and iris position. So whatever anyone reports may not the the same for you depending on those settings.
post #866 of 877
Close throw, Iris Open and High Lamp...
post #867 of 877
For the C3X1080, here are the numbers I derived....

Bruz-C3X1080.xls 69k .xls file
post #868 of 877
So about 1540 lumens?
post #869 of 877
Yep. Per sample of 1.
post #870 of 877
Anyone want to sell theirs?
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