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Outdoor projector for Blimp?

post #1 of 38
Thread Starter 
We have recently just procured one of the largest blimps in the world, we are debating on whether or not 1 could potentially have a projector on a boom outside the cabin projecting on the side of the blimp. Overall the blimp is one of the largest available at 197' long, we'd have a potential screen area from our calculations of around 90-105' of usable yet curved screen space.

Could this be done with any current crop of projectors? HQ has a budget of no more than $30,000 for the projector. Any expertise on this would be appreciated! You can learn more about the blimp project here.

http://www.ronpaulblimp.com/

Thanks!
post #2 of 38
Nice idea. Are you wanting to project while flying? If so then securing the unit would be the hard part. I think most Barcos that would do what you want are more then 30K though.
post #3 of 38
In that price range, I think you are better off using golbals from inside the blip and use the skin as the screen.
post #4 of 38
That seems like way, way, way, way too much screen area for any of the projectors we discuss here, even the professional ones.
post #5 of 38
Oh, and I hate to sound like a dick but if this thread veers off into politics I'm pulling Mark Rubin into this. Let's keep it technical!
post #6 of 38
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jim Burns View Post

In that price range, I think you are better off using golbals from inside the blip and use the skin as the screen.

Wow I wonder if that would be viewable through the skin? It's 1mm vinyl with 1mm nylon liner. Sorry not meant to be diving in politics, but this is truly grassroots in every way so we can't really afford to go off and spend tons of money on pros. I needed advice to see if it was even a possibility prior to hiring a pro or consultant on the issue.

Any other ideas are greatly appreciated.
post #7 of 38
Thread Starter 
BTW we are in contact now with a group of students who work on this.
http://muonics.net/blog/index.php?postid=15

They seem to think we can do it for under $40,000, but I wanted to see if you guys had any expertise on this kind of issue.
post #8 of 38
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post #9 of 38
Thread Starter 
Jim I'll talk to a consultant if I can confirm it's even possible 1st.
post #10 of 38
That muonics link looks cool. Laser light show technology might very well be the kind of thing you need for that screen size.
post #11 of 38
Are you trying to project onto the side of one of my ex g/fs? Far too large a screen area....
post #12 of 38
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Originally Posted by Curt Palme View Post

Are you trying to project onto the side of one of my ex g/fs? Far too large a screen area....

No, see link, I'm actually serious here
post #13 of 38
What is the area size exactly? We project on some pretty large surface area in our show. I would venture to say blimp size even.
post #14 of 38
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Originally Posted by speco2003 View Post

What is the area size exactly? We project on some pretty large surface area in our show. I would venture to say blimp size even.

Well we don't know exactly, we know it would be at least 90'. I can't really say until we test it out to know exactly how large it would be.

Check out the link to get an idea of the size of the blimp.
post #15 of 38
If you have to ask...

If you multiply that budget by ten, you might be able to do it. but it will likely be disappointing.

LED screens are used in most cases. At the height that the blimp will be at, viewing distance will be quite a bit, so low res LED is more than sufficient. Power reqs, FAA legality, etc. you just cannot hang a 200 pound projector off the side of an aircraft and float it over people.

You may be able to find somebody to rent you a bunch of these and be able to construct a sign that gets the message across.
http://www.barco.com/corporate/en/pr...asp?gennr=1702
http://www.barco.com/corporate/en/pr...asp?gennr=1288
post #16 of 38
Hmm, list of hardware adds up to about 10K USD. So, should be doable within your budget. If you fly at low speeds instead of hovering during projection, you might need to add a swiveling platform for the projector, but that could be done on the cheap (manual operation) as well. My first thought reading the initial message last night was indeed to suggest looking into lighting equipment, instead of full video projectors, but thought better wait and see what others have to say;-).

1 PC Laptop - ASUS A8JS - Core 2 Duo 1.83 Ghz 1GB Ram Nvideo Geforce Go 7300 256MB - VGA and DVI out.
1 Pansonic PTD5600U 5000 ANSI Lumens 1024x768 DLP Projector.
1 Watec 221S Security/Astrononmy Camera with manual iris zoom lens.
1 Bogen magic arm and super clamp.
1 Pinnacle PCTV USB capture card.
1 60mW Green Laser (super illegal in a lot of places and very dangerous)
and loads and loads of AAA batteries.
post #17 of 38
if we assume a 90' wide image and a 4 x 3 ar, then you have an image of 6075 square feet. and a piddly 5K lumen proj on that (going out on a limb and assuming a screen with a gain of 1) would give us a whopping .82 ft lamberts. (assuming the proj ACTUALLY does 5K lumens)

And please think about this... the FAA would have lots to say about you hanging a big old lump of metal to the outside of this thing. (not to mention the balance of the flying machine)

doing something like the Barco mPix is about the only option. find a rental company, find one that likes Ron Paul and offer some advertising.
post #18 of 38
Even a 40K lumen proj would give us only 6.6 ft lamberts.

So for the record, that is half the brightness of a movie projector which is in a black cave of a room. So in any situation with ANY light, you will have nothing.

If you want to do something like this and do it right... then look into the LED stuff. try even contacting barco directly, then see if they want some free advertising.

Honestly though, the rigging of this stuff and the various permissions to get it to fly (pun not intended) will run out your 40K far before you buy/rent any gear.

Not trying to be a pessimist, just hoping to give you a realistic picture.
post #19 of 38
Thread Starter 
Well after talking with some laser light show pros they seem to think they can do a rig mounted a truck and actually move the lasers in conjunction with the blimp. Everything else seems pretty infeasible at this point. Hey can't say we don't think out of the box huh!
post #20 of 38
Dizzman this assumes full video is the goal, this was indeed judged unattainable at the given budget, so one needs to move from raster to calligraphic projection. A 7" CRT projector from E&S lights(ed) up a projection dome. So scanning (calligraphic) laser projectors mixed with slide and colour projections is the way to go. Definitely not home, but definitly theater stuff;-).

Sat at an 500+ seat dinner earlier this year and mixed with plenty of audio the lasers scanning the theme and logo and some other stuff I can't picture right now made quite an impression, they lead to a female acrobat twirling high up in a rope, so quite entertaining.

This blimp project sounds like quite a fea(s)t, so please keep us posted with plenty of pics?
post #21 of 38
i was not talking about full video. i was talking readable. And a planetarium dome differs in MANY ways from a blimp outdoors.

Having the lasers ground mounted projected on the sides could work great. a little tricky to follow, but it will do the job.

My favourite outdoor laser show was the one on the pyramids... that was friggin cool!
post #22 of 38
It sure does, differ, but the concept remains the same, legibility on a large surface from a relatively small projection device, by using calligraphic scanning instead of raster scanning. Even with big lasers, it will need to be dark out, to make it legible.

In the old days they used to have an array of bulbs, or neon signs on the side of advertising blimps.
post #23 of 38
Thread Starter 
Well we left 1 side blank to facilitate whatever we'd like. Who knows what we're going to do now. We got around $6.3 million today in contributions, the blimp is in the air going around the country.

I don't think the campaign was under the impression they'd break all fundraising records for a single day in history so I'm hoping the budget for this project will be significantly increased! I'm hoping we can push it closer to $100,000 and do something really extraordinary!

So alright all options appear to be back on the table!!
post #24 of 38
Rent those barco things from somebody or get Barco to agree to a deal for their name being up there.
post #25 of 38
Or try one of the other vendors if Barco isn't forthcoming. Mitsubishi for instance would benefit more from the wide exposure, as it is also a consumer brand. Those 4mm high contrast LED panels provide very nice video.
post #26 of 38
i suggest barco as they have a product line that is made for exaclty this kind of thing. non video (so way less panels and weight) messaging.
post #27 of 38
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Originally Posted by Michael Grant View Post

Oh, and I hate to sound like a dick but if this thread veers off into politics I'm pulling Mark Rubin into this. Let's keep it technical!

Damn, I was going to make a comment about hot air........
post #28 of 38
What about three JVCs? That would get you about a 45' wide screens at only 21' away and you could use the lens shift to keep them close together, but spread the images out - picture maybe a 20' long outrigger placed about 20' out that had three PJs aimed at the side. About 10' x 45'. Only good for night time use though, as would any of these solutions. A couple of Mac Minis to output 1080x1920 images that you could cycle or integrate. Or even two JVCs using lens shift.

The JVC has by far the smallest throw of any high def PJ I've seen lately which would be pretty important for a sizable image.
post #29 of 38
Well, this is cool, now that you have some bucks I think you need to look into real blimp signage solutions.
post #30 of 38
Three projectors... stuck 20 feet in the air OUT FROM THE SIDE of a cylindrical airship...

Am i the only one who sees how dumb an idea that is? once you have the counter balance on the other side you have the worlds ugliest trimaran.

REALITY CHECK http://www.techweb.com/wire/ebiz/189500869

the ground mounted lasers are the only solution that you will have any luck with. anything you do needs FAA approval. And that takes a long time.

I heard a story about the blimp on NPR today... the govt will be more than happy to shut it down since they have no idea where it fits into campaign finance laws.
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