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post #4711 of 4732
1/1/12 at 7:16pm
So - What's the latest Firmware for the 175HD? I still get pops and crap, but they are better than they used to be (from my complaints in this very thread), and I'm pondering trying the newest firmware to see if anything has changed (not holding my breath!).

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post #4712 of 4732
1/1/12 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by Randyman... View Post

So - What's the latest Firmware for the 175HD? I still get pops and crap, but they are better than they used to be (from my complaints in this very thread), and I'm pondering trying the newest firmware to see if anything has changed (not holding my breath!).

Thanks!

Contact NAD. I have a T775HD and as per NAD, 1.34 is the latest. The main issue (at least for me) this version fixes is the missing audio in the beginning of a music track. Now it works great. The release notes also says that BTB and WTW video information is now passed through (no clipping). The release note says it is also meant for T175 I believe. I cannot confirm this though.
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post #4713 of 4732
1/1/12 at 7:37pm
Wow - That was fast! Sounds like a worthwhile upgrade from 1.24 (I think that's what I'm running - from around April 2011 or so).

I'll get in touch with Bob - I'm sure he will be thrilled to hear from me again

Enjoy!
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post #4714 of 4732
1/1/12 at 8:54pm
I'm switching from my well-loved T175 to a new Marantz AV7005 finally. Have sinced moved and living around boxes for a while. Can't wait to compare
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post #4715 of 4732
1/1/12 at 9:15pm
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I'm switching from my well-loved T175 to a new Marantz AV7005 finally. Have sinced moved and living around boxes for a while. Can't wait to compare

Hey Stranger!

I've been eyeing the Marantz and Denon stuff quite a bit as well. Keep us posted with your comparisons!

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post #4716 of 4732
1/11/12 at 11:03pm
The NAD T 187 is now available and was added to the NAD website within the last day or two:

http://nadelectronics.com/products/h...eamp-Processor

MSRP is $3000 if I am not mistaken. Features are the same as the T175HD on the audio side of things. It uses the AM200 dual DSP board with Audyssey MultEQ XT room correction with custom NAD curves, Audyssey Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ. On the video side it has the VM150 3D HDMI 1.4 module and the VM150x extension module.
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post #4717 of 4732
1/12/12 at 1:40am
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Originally Posted by timkeeler View Post

The NAD T 187 is now available and was added to the NAD website within the last day or two:

http://nadelectronics.com/products/h...eamp-Processor

MSRP is $3000 if I am not mistaken. Features are the same as the T175HD on the audio side of things. It uses the AM200 dual DSP board with Audyssey MultEQ XT room correction with custom NAD curves, Audyssey Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ. On the video side it has the VM150 3D HDMI 1.4 module and the VM150x extension module.

hmm, it really seems like NAD is releasing products that are a bit behind the curve. In this price range and considering it has been out for quite a while, they should include Audyssey MultEQ XT32.
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post #4718 of 4732
1/12/12 at 6:57am
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hmm, it really seems like NAD is releasing products that are a bit behind the curve. In this price range and considering it has been out for quite a while, they should include Audyssey MultEQ XT32.

That was my thought as well. I was also really hoping to see the ethernet port capable of inputting streamed audio/video but from what I was told, it is only for system control and firmware updates. Maybe an XT32 upgrade card is in the works?
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post #4719 of 4732
1/12/12 at 10:35am
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hmm, it really seems like NAD is releasing products that are a bit behind the curve. In this price range and considering it has been out for quite a while, they should include Audyssey MultEQ XT32.

Yes, and it seems especially lame given that XT32 actually uses less DSP resources than XT.
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post #4720 of 4732
1/12/12 at 5:02pm
According to Audyssey NAD is currently not working on implementing XT32!

BTW I heard of MSRP 2499$? Where are the 3k from?
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post #4721 of 4732
1/12/12 at 5:28pm
If the 187 uses vm150 then it does not have a video scaler anymore. I don't mind since I love my T775Hd upgraded with a vm150. It is rock solid and I love the sound.
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post #4722 of 4732
1/14/12 at 2:51am
From information I have got so far it looks like the T187 is in fact a T175HD2 with a slight faceplate change. So no real changes in case of the "body" unit. With inserting the VM150X in your T175Hd you have build your own T187. This assumption is based on the data sheets and an unconfirmed statetement from the German NAD distributor!

Anothet question, did anybody ever compare the T175HD with the same proced but feature ladden Integra 80.3 or build alike Onkyo 5509?
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post #4723 of 4732
1/15/12 at 10:31am
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From information I have got so far it looks like the T187 is in fact a T175HD2 with a slight faceplate change. So no real changes in case of the "body" unit. With inserting the VM150X in your T175Hd you have build your own T187. This assumption is based on the data sheets and an unconfirmed statetement from the German NAD distributor!

Anothet question, did anybody ever compare the T175HD with the same proced but feature ladden Integra 80.3 or build alike Onkyo 5509?

The vm200 has video scaling. The vm150 does not. So, either NAD figures not many of its customers care for it or they are coming out the an optional upgrade to a vm250 or something. Personally I don't care for scaling. I have the T775hD with an upgraded vm150 (no vm150x daughter card though) and am extremely satisfied. No hdmi video or audio issues at all.
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post #4724 of 4732
1/17/12 at 9:02pm
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Originally Posted by westmd View Post

From information I have got so far it looks like the T187 is in fact a T175HD2 with a slight faceplate change. So no real changes in case of the "body" unit. With inserting the VM150X in your T175Hd you have build your own T187. This assumption is based on the data sheets and an unconfirmed statetement from the German NAD distributor!

I wanted to share some info on the T187 with you all.

I called NAD today and talked to Mike Alguire in Technical Support Dept. I asked him about internal differences that could affect sonics such as power supplies, card layouts, DSP chips, etc. He said that besides the obvious differences in features stated on the data sheet, that internal components in the T187 were identical to the 175HD. He confirmed that there is no video scaler--that it's redundant. The unit provides video switching only.

Sonically he said they should be virtually the same. He did share one helpful piece of information: He said that the electronic relays were new in the T187 to eliminate clicking which we all know was part of the previous design. Yay! No more issues with that at least I wonder if they just used the board from their receivers or if they attempted something that was still a sonically superior solution

I also asked him if he knew of any MDC upgrades coming soon. Answer was none that he is aware of. Then I asked him about Audyssey Pro and if that was a feature only available on the Masters Series. He said that Audyssey Pro could be used with any of their Audyssey MultiEQ XT capable products. Looking closer, I see that is a standard feature of the AM200 module. So at least if we can't have XT32, we can have Pro.

So now the question is, do I snatch up a 175HD used or refurbished and save some cash, or go for the T187? I'm really wondering why the MSRP remains $2999 even though video processing was eliminated
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post #4725 of 4732
1/17/12 at 11:34pm
It seem more today than in the past that scaling isn't needed in AVRs, as most media is outputed at 1080i or p these days.
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post #4726 of 4732
3/10/12 at 7:00pm
Just an update: The v1.34 update is serving me well. Practically no "chopped leading edges", and the pops and clicks are virtually gone! Anyone still running and older firmware should seriosuly consider it IMO...

As you were
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post #4727 of 4732
3/10/12 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by Randyman... View Post

Just an update: The v1.34 update is serving me well. Practically no "chopped leading edges", and the pops and clicks are virtually gone! Anyone still running and older firmware should seriosuly consider it IMO...

As you were

Great to know. I have the T775HD and have been running the newest firmware since December and have been totally satisfied.
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post #4728 of 4732
4/3/12 at 7:44pm
can anyone please give me a link to the latest T175 firmware and any software needed to upload it, i presume its RS232?
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post #4729 of 4732
5/17/12 at 3:22am
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Originally Posted by Brian_S View Post

I wanted to share some info on the T187 with you all.

I called NAD today and talked to Mike Alguire in Technical Support Dept. I asked him about internal differences that could affect sonics such as power supplies, card layouts, DSP chips, etc. He said that besides the obvious differences in features stated on the data sheet, that internal components in the T187 were identical to the 175HD. He confirmed that there is no video scaler--that it's redundant. The unit provides video switching only.

Sonically he said they should be virtually the same. He did share one helpful piece of information: He said that the electronic relays were new in the T187 to eliminate clicking which we all know was part of the previous design. Yay! No more issues with that at least I wonder if they just used the board from their receivers or if they attempted something that was still a sonically superior solution

I also asked him if he knew of any MDC upgrades coming soon. Answer was none that he is aware of. Then I asked him about Audyssey Pro and if that was a feature only available on the Masters Series. He said that Audyssey Pro could be used with any of their Audyssey MultiEQ XT capable products. Looking closer, I see that is a standard feature of the AM200 module. So at least if we can't have XT32, we can have Pro.

So now the question is, do I snatch up a 175HD used or refurbished and save some cash, or go for the T187? I'm really wondering why the MSRP remains $2999 even though video processing was eliminated

I'm in the same boat, I can get a good deal on a T175HD2 to replace my 4810 (connected to a T975), but the lack of XT32 even on the T187 confounds me. The whole point of MDC was to get better features without having to replace the unit, but if there are no modules with any better features planned, it seems to defeat the point.
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post #4730 of 4732
1/7/13 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by MitchPope View Post

I'm in the same boat, I can get a good deal on a T175HD2 to replace my 4810 (connected to a T975), but the lack of XT32 even on the T187 confounds me. The whole point of MDC was to get better features without having to replace the unit, but if there are no modules with any better features planned, it seems to defeat the point.

I have to agree... seems NAD sold the whole idea of MDC, but what good is it if you aren't developing new modules with new capabilities. Audyssy XT32 comes to mind, but I'm even more chagrinned that the VM150x Ethernet port doesn't support an Internet Interface for Radio Streaming....

I mean comon NAD, put some Engineering behind a great concept... and yeah, lower the cost for an upgrade! wink.gif
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post #4731 of 4732
1/20/13 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by SimplySound View Post

I have to agree... seems NAD sold the whole idea of MDC, but what good is it if you aren't developing new modules with new capabilities. Audyssy XT32 comes to mind, but I'm even more chagrinned that the VM150x Ethernet port doesn't support an Internet Interface for Radio Streaming....

I mean comon NAD, put some Engineering behind a great concept... and yeah, lower the cost for an upgrade! wink.gif

NAD can only rest on their laurels so much(great musicality) but do need to be quicker to the punch when it comes to new formats, features, and of course Audyssey XT32. True, most true music lovers and dare I say "audiophiles" do want sound quality as number one priority but the masses want modern features first. I absolutely am very satisfied with my T175HD and really don't long for more but a few extra modern conveniences sure couldn't hurt. And yes, maybe a reasonable price point($300.00 to $500.00) for new modules would be nice too.

Bill
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post #4732 of 4732
2/18/13 at 9:20pm
Hi all, I have been thru this before with Integra Research (RDC 7.1), and now with NAD (T785). Integra' answer was, well, no answer at all- they just bailed. Mind you my IR gear is still some of the best sounding I have ever heard, new and upgadable formats was the entire ideal for me, an investment so to speak. Integra/Onkyo will of course allow you to upgrade (down grade actually) by trading in your old IR gear (for a pittance) and give you basically dealer cost on their latest and greatest- SHAME ON YOU ONKYO, I for one will never buy another Onkyo product ever again. I will also say that the IR gear had way less problems and to my ears sounds better then my present NAD.

Wonder how this will pan out with NAD? I sure hope NAD don't bail on us too. eek.gif

EDIT: BTW, NAD if you are reading this (just by the off chance) why don't you ask us- the end users what we would like in an upgrade? This is what the PC world has done and it works very well for them- perhaps you should follow suite. Save some money and make for happy campers on this end. Just an FYI. wink.gif
Edited by kodi41 - 2/18/13 at 9:30pm
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