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post #1501 of 1625
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Originally Posted by carboranadum View Post

As you'll remember, I got an early Father's day present...I got a Behringer Europower EP4000 Professional 4,000-watt stereo amp. This dude is a beast. It is large (deeper than I expected) and heavy (37 lbs).



I got the amp installed and connected to the buttkickers. This required adding a shelf to the rack and rewiring the buttkickers in the theater.

I am running 3 buttkicker minis on the left side, and 4 on the right. There has been much tinkering with the setup, and I'm still not happy with the results. It seems to take a lot of power to get these rolling. I had to turn up the bass 12 dB and I dropped the volume on the sub. This seemed to get me the power that I needed to make the buttkickers working. I have the volume on the amp turned up pretty high, and the buttkickers don't seem over whelming. In fact, I think I need to tinker with the setup some more to get them to begin working at a lower volume point.

I don't know what I was thinking, but this seems to require a lot of tweaking to get them working properly.

How is this amp working out for you? I am in the same boat. I ordered 3 BK1000-N's to power my 9 Buttkickers but the amps have been on backorder for ages. I'm ready to move on and go with an alternative. You have a single amp powering 7 buttkickers? I know this amp has more power than the Buttkicker one but I was figuring I would need 2 if not 3 of these for my 9 chairs.
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Originally Posted by NJ Jackals View Post

How is this amp working out for you? I am in the same boat. I ordered 3 BK1000-N's to power my 9 Buttkickers but the amps have been on backorder for ages. I'm ready to move on and go with an alternative. You have a single amp powering 7 buttkickers? I know this amp has more power than the Buttkicker one but I was figuring I would need 2 if not 3 of these for my 9 chairs.

I have been tinkering with my setup. On paper, the amp should power all 7 BKs, but it requires a rather large increase in the output of the sub channel. This was causing all sorts of problems getting the sound balanced. I am now powering three with this amp and have a second one on order. The amp powers three BKs very well!

I was also looking into the possibility of upgrading the amp to the Denon 4300 series due to the fact that it has two independent sub outputs (that you can tune individually). I'm going to finish playing with the two amp setup first then make a decision about the amp later.
post #1503 of 1625
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Originally Posted by carboranadum View Post

I have been tinkering with my setup. On paper, the amp should power all 7 BKs, but it requires a rather large increase in the output of the sub channel. This was causing all sorts of problems getting the sound balanced. I am now powering three with this amp and have a second one on order. The amp powers three BKs very well!

I was also looking into the possibility of upgrading the amp to the Denon 4300 series due to the fact that it has two independent sub outputs (that you can tune individually). I'm going to finish playing with the two amp setup first then make a decision about the amp later.

The BK amp (BKA1000-N) is a single channel amp and is 1000W at 4 Ohms and supposedly powers 4 Buttkickers. The Behringer Europower EP4000 is a two channel amp with 1400W at 4 Ohms per channel. On paper this amp should power 8 Buttkickers (10 really but there is no approved wiring configuration for 5 BKs on a single channel). You are running in parallel mode (bridge mode off) with low cut filter set to OFF, correct? Without having the benefit of trying one myself yet, I'd probably turn the clip limiter to OFF as well. Clipping the high end at 30 or 50hz seems way too low.

I notice you also have the minis. I have the LFE version installed on my chairs.
post #1504 of 1625
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Originally Posted by NJ Jackals View Post

You are running in parallel mode (bridge mode off) with low cut filter set to OFF, correct? Without having the benefit of trying one myself yet, I'd probably turn the clip limiter to OFF as well. Clipping the high end at 30 or 50hz seems way too low.

I notice you also have the minis. I have the LFE version installed on my chairs.

Correct. There just isn't enough power to the BK's. With the amp's gain control for the sub boosted to +12 (the upper range of it's adjustment), I can't dial the sub down enough to have it active, but not overpowering. At that level, the BK's sing, but I need to get more power. When the second amp comes in, I'll post an update.

CJ
post #1505 of 1625
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Originally Posted by NJ Jackals View Post

How is this amp working out for you? I am in the same boat. I ordered 3 BK1000-N's to power my 9 Buttkickers but the amps have been on backorder for ages. I'm ready to move on and go with an alternative. You have a single amp powering 7 buttkickers? I know this amp has more power than the Buttkicker one but I was figuring I would need 2 if not 3 of these for my 9 chairs.

Having previously spoke to a technical guy at Guitammer (the company that makes the Buttkicker), their 1000 watt BKAs don't perform well with just 3 Buttkickers due to some sort of electrical phenomena when they are run in parallel. They HIGHLY recommend running 1, 2 or 4 Buttkickers from the amp, but not 3. So your best configuration would be 4 on one amp, four on the second amp and then a dedicated amp for the money seat!!!!
post #1506 of 1625
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I understand. I have a friend with a setup nearly identical to mine. he's running the same amp and has it powering a row of 3. He used the wiring diagram on this page: http://www.thebuttkicker.com/buttkic...igurations.htm
post #1507 of 1625
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I realized that I had not posted photos of my BassIndustries Lighted Poster box refurbish. I finished this box a month or so ago, and purchased a cheap poster of Gladiator to get it up on the wall with some semblance of being done. I mounted it on the stairway down into the basement. You go 12 steps down, then there's a landing. The stairway turns 180 degrees and continues for 12 more steps.

Here are some photos:









In the end, the refurbishment cost about $130 including a new flourescent fixture with bulbs, new chase lights, and paint! I saw one of these on the web for over $1600!

It looks really good. I will be looking for a couple of double sided posters for the frame...that should make the poster really pop!

Merry Christmas to the AVS Forum!

CJ
post #1508 of 1625
CJ,

Poster setup looks very good. You say it is refurbished, I assumed you picked this up used ?

Wishing you and yours a Merry Xmas and a great New Year!
post #1509 of 1625
Thread Starter 
Merry Christmas to you and your's as well!

I picked it up on firesale when a local video store was goin gout of business. I think I paid $35 for the unit (I purchased two). It was in rough shape. I cannibalized aprts from two to make one working unit. I disassembled it, sanded and painted it, replaced the flourescent light and bulbs, as well as rewire it and add a switch to the outside (so I sould easily turn it on and off without opening it). After new chase lights, the unit was as good as new!
post #1510 of 1625
Nice work CJ. Really looks nice.
post #1511 of 1625
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Thanks! I got it in West By-God Virginia when a video store closed in Charles Town. We don't have things so purty here in virginny, so i had to import it!
post #1512 of 1625
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Originally Posted by carboranadum View Post

Thanks! I got it in West By-God Virginia when a video store closed in Charles Town. We don't have things so purty here in virginny, so i had to import it!


Weird. I thought West Virginia only had homeade movies.. nice find!
post #1513 of 1625
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Originally Posted by mn_hokie View Post

Weird. I thought West Virginia only had homeade movies.. nice find!


Oh, OUCH!

However I'm not quite sure what HOME ADE movies are. Maybe you have to be from WV to understand?

I do know that the lighted frame turned out really nice.

Kudos.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #1514 of 1625
Thread Starter 
LOL, Thanks!
post #1515 of 1625
Have you seen THIS guy's basement? For a minute there I thought it was yours!
post #1516 of 1625
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Yes, I saw it. I posted a note to this thread and gave him a contact or two to try.
post #1517 of 1625
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Working to install the Insteon switches and thermostats that I got for Christmas. I can't wait for the ability to control lighting from the remote.
post #1518 of 1625
Pics, please.
post #1519 of 1625
Please let us know how it goes with the Insteon! We've been watching enough in my mostly completed theater area that I've been thinking about what I need to go that route. I want to start with my four gang (4 zones) for the theater and my one current 3-way for the bar/hallway area.

I know that BritInVA went that route and I've been talking to him.
post #1520 of 1625
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Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

Pics, please.

OK, but it's a boring photo:



Inside that box are:

11 Insteon dimmers
12 Insteon paddle covers (to change the switch from white to black)
2 Insteon thermostats
2 Insteon thermostat modules
1 Insteon IR bridge
1 Insteon Homelink network control program
1 8 button scene switch
1 6 button scene switch

I've had this stuff since Christmas. Installation is finally beginning.
post #1521 of 1625
What made you go with the Homelink program instead of an ISY device?
post #1522 of 1625
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What is an ISY device?
post #1523 of 1625
I've been putting off installing that kind of lighting for about 5 years (and will probably continue to put it off).

Don't think I'd ever put in a thermostat like that though, as I only touch my thermostat about twice per year - double checking the programming late fall and early summer.
post #1524 of 1625
No 6 or 8 button scene control?
post #1525 of 1625
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Yes Tom, I missed that cause I'm not using it in the theater. I have one of each in black (one 6 and one 8).

I plan to use set up all scenes from the remote, but we'll see. I can re-purpose one if I need it.
post #1526 of 1625
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Originally Posted by Stew4msu View Post

I've been putting off installing that kind of lighting for about 5 years (and will probably continue to put it off).

Don't think I'd ever put in a thermostat like that though, as I only touch my thermostat about twice per year - double checking the programming late fall and early summer.

I didn't figure out the cooling needs of the theater until after it was built. I did add three outlets and one return (that is boosted by a large inline fan) for the theater space, but it is not enough. The basement and the first floor share one zone. I did consider putting in a mini split unit for the theater only, but I did not.

During the winter, I have to turn off the heater when we are in the theater. During the summer, I turn on the AC when the theater is packed. I figure that I can install an Insteon thermostat in the first floor to allow me to control it from anywhere (even the basement). I got an extra one for the second floor zone as well. (you know...cause hey, since I may want to control both when I'm away or something).
post #1527 of 1625
Isn't that what Homelink Network Control software is for?
post #1528 of 1625
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Originally Posted by tlogan6797 View Post

Isn't that what Homelink Network Control software is for?

Homelink will provide control capability and programming of scenes. It connects a PC to the Insteon network.

The IR Link will allow me to use a regular IR remote to invoke commands of the network. I think both will be needed to work in concert to fully automate the house. I've got plans for extending the automation throughout the house, and will be using the theater as a test-bed.
post #1529 of 1625
An ISY-99i is a stand alone controller for insteon devices. It allows you greater control over devices without requiring a computer to run the program. I guess if you already have a computer running all the time then it may not be an issue to run Homelink. Was just curious why you went the way you did.
post #1530 of 1625
Thread Starter 
AHA. Yes, I recall looking at the ISY stuff before. I have a full blown home server (also the home media server and home file server) running 24x7, so it's not an issue. I'll see how this goes and report back!

CJ
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