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post #14641 of 15422
It's sad to see this happening. I feel they make a good product. I think they just needed to address a few issues and everything would have been great.

Anyone know where I can get a replacement amp?
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

well, first off, they copied the jl design... and got sued for it... and then it magically changed... this isn't the first time ed has had ethical/product issues,the company has a long history of bilking it's customers (do a google search on "edead" for one example)... they managed to stay in business this long simply due to the "i'm buying this because it's cheaper" crowd... if "we" as consumers had any common sense at all, ed would be a distant memory by now... but "common sense" gets thrown out the window these days when the god of "cheaper" is served...
secondly, take a jl w7 woofer and look at it closely compared to the other driver in question... why there is a price difference becomes rather obvious...

I think this is an overly generalized statement.

Cheaper or more expensive is relative, i.e.: there are those who spent thousands on eD products, and there are those poor dudes like myself who only got an $800 sub from them.
Sure, it's cheaper than high-end SVS sub, but that wasn't the reason why I got mine.
The specs and all the positive pro reviews were the determinant factor.

It's like saying somene is a cheap SOB because he bought a $45K Nissan over German brands. I don't think price is the factor at play here.
Or like saying a person in that "cheaper" crowd because he could only afford one sub million dolllar home?

Lastly, this all feels similar to the dotcom or property bubble, where only once the bubble burst (in this case, eD), now all the "experts" came out with their expert analysis (that sounds more like two cents). Where were these experts during the boom? My point exactly.

I personally think this should remain owners' thread, to help owners of the product.
Not as "I told you so" thread. If you don't have anything positive to contribute ( like suggestions to fix broken amp or anything else), don't.
post #14643 of 15422
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Originally Posted by gtpsuper24 View Post

My 13av.2 had a Indonesia sticker on them if I remember right. I could be wrong thought it might have been the Philippines.

Thanks for checking.
Reason I asked is due to my connections over there, it'd be very easy to re-source the manufacturer, e.g. If one wishes to make his own brand, or simply to get parts.
post #14644 of 15422
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Originally Posted by bigpow View Post

Thanks for checking.
Reason I asked is due to my connections over there, it'd be very easy to re-source the manufacturer, e.g. If one wishes to make his own brand, or simply to get parts.
Well, your friend can go here,

Advanced Sound Technology, Inc. manufactures loudspeakers. The company is based in Cavite, Philippines.
Lot 10, Block 5
Phase 2
Cepz
Rosario
Cavite,
Philippines
Phone:
63 2 681 5322
Fax:
63 2 647 9897

and maybe take a video or snap some pictures. But really, just what parts could affected consumers of ED's shenanigans get that would be useful?
post #14645 of 15422
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Originally Posted by bigpow View Post

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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

well, first off, they copied the jl design... and got sued for it... and then it magically changed... this isn't the first time ed has had ethical/product issues,the company has a long history of bilking it's customers (do a google search on "edead" for one example)... they managed to stay in business this long simply due to the "i'm buying this because it's cheaper" crowd... if "we" as consumers had any common sense at all, ed would be a distant memory by now... but "common sense" gets thrown out the window these days when the god of "cheaper" is served...
secondly, take a jl w7 woofer and look at it closely compared to the other driver in question... why there is a price difference becomes rather obvious...

I think this is an overly generalized statement.

Cheaper or more expensive is relative, i.e.: there are those who spent thousands on eD products, and there are those poor dudes like myself who only got an $800 sub from them.
Sure, it's cheaper than high-end SVS sub, but that wasn't the reason why I got mine.
The specs and all the positive pro reviews were the determinant factor.

It's like saying somene is a cheap SOB because he bought a $45K Nissan over German brands. I don't think price is the factor at play here.
Or like saying a person in that "cheaper" crowd because he could only afford one sub million dolllar home?

Lastly, this all feels similar to the dotcom or property bubble, where only once the bubble burst (in this case, eD), now all the "experts" came out with their expert analysis (that sounds more like two cents). Where were these experts during the boom? My point exactly.

I personally think this should remain owners' thread, to help owners of the product.
Not as "I told you so" thread. If you don't have anything positive to contribute ( like suggestions to fix broken amp or anything else), don't.

thanks for the advice... i chose to respond to a question... just out of curiosity, did you read the link i posted? also, did you google "edead" (for just one example) as i suggested? guess not....

if you read my posts, rather than just being defensive about your purchase (note i said "crowd", NOT "individuals")... it's abundantly clear that these shenanigans with ed were going on LONG before recent issues... the statement stands... no current users would be in this pickle had the "cheaper" crowd not come along before you and continued to paper over their, ummm, questionable business practices... it never would have gotten anywhere near this point...

as noted... this isn't the first time ed has had ethical/business issues... your "dot com bubble" analogy is naive... this scenario has played out before, and is well known to those in the car audio world... a cursory amount of research will show you this... and yes, it wad the "cheaper" crowd who allowed them to get away with it for awhile there...

if you do not like my posts, the ignore button is never far away... also, if you really want to assuage your fears that this is just jumping on the bandwagon, do some searching... you'll find that people were warned about ethical issues with ed long ago... but some chose not to look past the price tag...
post #14646 of 15422
I haven't visited this thread in a long long time and it looks like eD keeps getting worse reviews. I guess this is why my A2-300 and A7s-450 never sold. It looks like theirs some people here from Philly and Jerz. I thought I was the only one in the Tri-State area that has owned their products.
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Originally Posted by Limp Fox View Post

I haven't visited this thread in a long long time and it looks like eD keeps getting worse reviews. I guess this is why my A2-300 and A7s-450 never sold. It looks like theirs some people here from Philly and Jerz. I thought I was the only one in the Tri-State area that has owned their products.

Another Philly area owner here, A5-350. Still pumping as of now with the LT550 amp.
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Originally Posted by bigpow View Post

I personally think this should remain owners' thread, to help owners of the product.
Not as "I told you so" thread. If you don't have anything positive to contribute ( like suggestions to fix broken amp or anything else), don't.

How ironic.

This is helping owners of the product. If they can't see through the messages I'll spell it out - if your product still works, sell it before it breaks, unless you're into recycling spent electronics and owning large, useless boxes made of MDF.

I'm glad you won't be posting further here. Good luck!
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ED has a storefront on Amazon where they've got a dozen or so items they're looking to sell.
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

How ironic.
This is helping owners of the product. If they can't see through the messages I'll spell it out - if your product still works, sell it before it breaks, unless you're into recycling spent electronics and owning large, useless boxes made of MDF.
I'm glad you won't be posting further here. Good luck!

I am an owner... an UNHAPPY OWNER that should have never bought an Elemental Design product. And there are many many more. Should have listened to the warnings before and now am warning everbody to KEEP OFF OF ED PRODUCTS if you don't have one already.
post #14651 of 15422
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

ED has a storefront on Amazon where they've got a dozen or so items they're looking to sell.

People should be warned about purchasing these products. Imagine spending 800.00 on an A5-350 subwoofer that WE KNOW HAS NO WARRANTIES!!!! Do people know that they might not get their orders in time as well? They can sell their products at Amazon but have no time answering their phones and addressing the issues of their customers.
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Originally Posted by MarvelousMarvin View Post

People should be warned about purchasing these products. Imagine spending 800.00 on an A5-350 subwoofer that WE KNOW HAS NO WARRANTIES!!!! Do people know that they might not get their orders in time as well? They can sell their products at Amazon but have no time answering their phones and addressing the issues of their customers.

I agree and wouldn't buy anything with an amp, but I think it would be safe to buy speakers. I'm not too worried that my eD Cinema 12's and 6's are going to have problems. It would suck if they did though since I have 7 cinema speakers.

However, I haven't checked Amazon so maybe it's all subs.
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mostly towers/bookshelfs on the amazon page.. of course they don't have any amps mad.gif
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I agree and wouldn't buy anything with an amp, but I think it would be safe to buy speakers. I'm not too worried that my eD Cinema 12's and 6's are going to have problems. It would suck if they did though since I have 7 cinema speakers.
However, I haven't checked Amazon so maybe it's all subs.


Do you know where to order parts like woofers and tweeters? The cabinetry may be bulletproof but it pays if you will know where to get replacement parts in the future.
post #14655 of 15422
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Originally Posted by Fidlefadle View Post

mostly towers/bookshelfs on the amazon page.. of course they don't have any amps mad.gif


cut your losses now. maybe try to find a different amp that will fit your sub. continue to pursue your case with the iowa atty general's office and also you should report them to the better business bureau.
post #14656 of 15422
You could contact Erich H http://www.avsforum.com/u/7900934/Erich-H and ask how much he would charge to cnc cut a blank baffle to fill in the amps hole and use an outboard amp. Might be something he could add to his site find out the sizes of eDs amp and start selling filler baffles for the various eD subs so users have a choice when their amp goes out.
post #14657 of 15422
it would be easy to fill a plate amp 'hole'. Cut MDF with enough overlap to screw it to the sub. Cut another piece slightly smaller than the hole. Put silicone (or some other caulk) around the smaller piece and press into place. Screw to the cabinet with coarse thread screws (pilot holes first).
post #14658 of 15422
Yeah, I'm actively looking for a replacement amp (NOT eD) but so far I can't find anything.. I would have no problem filling the hole and going to something like the EP2500/4000 but most outboard amps don't have a crossover which is what i need (stereo RCA in, stereo RCA out to powered bookshelves) - I made another thread for this but no replies yet

edit: going to do this. fill hole in box, put on binding posts, use external EP2000 amp, and the behringer cx2310 crossover. All in will cost the same as the LT/1300
Edited by Fidlefadle - 8/22/12 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by Fidlefadle View Post

mostly towers/bookshelfs on the amazon page.. of course they don't have any amps mad.gif

HAHA...and no cinema speakers. Still trying to at least find (2) 6" ones for surrounds and hopefully another 12" for a center. Worst case I guess I could get some BIC or HSU speakers for surrounds and go phantom center.
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Originally Posted by Smigro View Post

HAHA...and no cinema speakers. Still trying to at least find (2) 6" ones for surrounds and hopefully another 12" for a center. Worst case I guess I could get some BIC or HSU speakers for surrounds and go phantom center.

Yeah, sorry Smigro. I am loving 7.1 in my room so I'm gonna hang on to the 6" cimemas I just bought used. Hopefully some more used show up sometime soon for you.
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Yeah, sorry Smigro. I am loving 7.1 in my room so I'm gonna hang on to the 6" cimemas I just bought used. Hopefully some more used show up sometime soon for you.

Yeah with the size of your room I figured you would. At this point I think I am kind of screwed as far as getting matching speakers. Guess I will have to look along the lines of HSU, BIC or even some CHT's. Klipsch could be adoption, but I would rather not.
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Originally Posted by Fidlefadle View Post

Yeah, I'm actively looking for a replacement amp (NOT eD) but so far I can't find anything.. I would have no problem filling the hole and going to something like the EP2500/4000 but most outboard amps don't have a crossover which is what i need (stereo RCA in, stereo RCA out to powered bookshelves) - I made another thread for this but no replies yet
edit: going to do this. fill hole in box, put on binding posts, use external EP2000 amp, and the behringer cx2310 crossover. All in will cost the same as the LT/1300

PM sent about a replacement plate amp!
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Hey guys, i haven't been around for awhile and then my a5-350 stopped working. NO lights on or anything. Is this the amp? Can you guys give me some kind of idea on what I can do to have it fixed or what it might be. I didn't make any noises, just stopped working and the light isn't on at all.
Thanks
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Originally Posted by socwrkr View Post

Hey guys, i haven't been around for awhile and then my a5-350 stopped working. NO lights on or anything. Is this the amp? Can you guys give me some kind of idea on what I can do to have it fixed or what it might be. I didn't make any noises, just stopped working and the light isn't on at all.
Thanks

Have you checked the fuse?
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back from my business trip ! playing catch up right now... anyone that was going to send me something, go ahead.
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Originally Posted by Fidlefadle View Post

edit: going to do this. fill hole in box, put on binding posts, use external EP2000 amp, and the behringer cx2310 crossover. All in will cost the same as the LT/1300

i have worked on quite a few Behringer amps too. that would work quite nicely.

but i do like the LT1300's too... the 1300 is not a normal eD amp. that amp uses the Bang and Olufsen Ice power module that is pretty awesome. i would use one of those in a heartbeat if i had the speakers to handle it... but then again, if you guys saw what my HT system was, you would roll on the floor laughing. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by MarvelousMarvin View Post

Have you checked the fuse?

not often does the fuse blow for no reason. my bet is another fuse will just pop, and possibly cause more damage. if trying another fuse, for an LT500 i would use a 3-4 amp instead of an 8 amp and try to power it up. if it blows immediately, then the amp has a problem and will not likely cause more damage. the amp will power up just fine with a 3 amp fuse if it is working properly... you just cant turn it up loud with a small fuse.
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Forgive my ignorance but where do I locate the fuse? Thanks
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Originally Posted by socwrkr View Post

Forgive my ignorance but where do I locate the fuse? Thanks

under where the power plug plugs in, there is a little cap with a picture of a fuse... pry that out.

be careful when taking out/putting in a fuse, as i have cracked the glass of the fuse before while putting it into the plastic holder. ( but did not cut myself ) work it out/in at an angle, not straight in.

if you find that something is wrong with the amp, get a hold of me. there are quite a few of them on their way to me, and i have set aside time for them when they get here.
post #14668 of 15422
Awesome. Thank you!
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Ok, the fuse was blown. I couldn't get a 8amp 250 v but the guy told me a could try a 8amp 125 v. Anyways, i put this in and the light turned on but it is orange now. I suppose that means the amp is dead. What is my next step to getting this fixed?
Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

ED has a storefront on Amazon where they've got a dozen or so items they're looking to sell.

I've notified contacts at Amazon as to eD's status and pointed them to evidence of their demise. These folks have the power to run an investigation and shut down their storefront, depending on their findings and analysis.

Alex, you really shouldn't have ripped me off.
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