or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Subwoofers, Bass, and Transducers › Official Elemental Designs Subwoofer Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Official Elemental Designs Subwoofer Thread - Page 500

post #14971 of 15422
Marvin-Stop. Your ignorance is ruining the useful information being posted in this thread. Chris didn't join recently, he's been a member since 06. Read his posts and actually understand what he has said (along with everyone else). There is no conspiracy theory. Alex was the owner/ceo/whatever you want to call it. Matt has done/is doing his best to try and help a little. You're not getting your situation rectified along with many others. Any other information will likely be available months or years from now IF there is an investigation. NO-ONE is defending ED. What transpired is reprehensible. Do not put that on others whom only worked there at the end or in the past.
post #14972 of 15422
I used to talk to and email Alex all the time. Trust me, he took the high road, I am totally dissapointed and fooled!
post #14973 of 15422
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrischaos View Post

Marvin-Stop. Your ignorance is ruining the useful information being posted in this thread. Chris didn't join recently, he's been a member since 06. Read his posts and actually understand what he has said (along with everyone else). There is no conspiracy theory. Alex was the owner/ceo/whatever you want to call it. Matt has done/is doing his best to try and help a little. You're not getting your situation rectified along with many others. Any other information will likely be available months or years from now IF there is an investigation. NO-ONE is defending ED. What transpired is reprehensible. Do not put that on others whom only worked there at the end or in the past.


Please read carefully the flow of conversation before butting in. First I don't question Chris' membership. It's the other guy I was talking to. Second, i am nowhere near blaming Chris. He's the one who's injecting himself and playing it like I'm blaming him. I don't even know why all of a sudden he felt that way that I am all hating on Matt when all the while all I'm saying is, it's so convenient that Alex is the only one to blame and Matt is all of a sudden the hero and he needs a pat on his shoulders like he made it right to the people that were done wrong by ED.

Look, you can all go ahead and give a double thumbs up to Matt for whatever so called he did, which in fact he's supposed to do in the first place, as representing ED. and he should've actually done more in that the broken amps should have been fixed for free as to those under warranty, and the monies of those who paid for products that were not delivered should have been returned.

Matt has been in and out of this messageboard even before I have ordered products from ED and now he is totally clueless of what's going on??? That's not hating, That's just wondering how he can be defending ED in this very messageboard and all of a sudden he knows nothing of what was going on?

You win. No more questioning of who's who. why it failed or where the rest of the assets went while RMA units are being shipped to Dave's shop in Las Vegas.

Let's just all bug the hell out of the Iowa Atty Gen's Office so that may those responsible, those who profitted and made a scam out of this company will be held liable by the law.
Edited by MarvelousMarvin - 9/18/12 at 10:35am
post #14974 of 15422
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarvelousMarvin View Post

You want to be all praises to Matt, but he has done nothing to those people except transfer their amps to you which people will still have to pay for services instead of getting it fixed for free since they are still under warranty. The people who paid for products that were not delivered are still contesting their charges with their respective credit card companies.

what do you want me to do ? i am not eD... you want me to cover eD's warranty and fix every ones amps for free ? i cant do that. hate to tell you, but when a company goes out of business, there is no warranty anymore. if Intel went under, do you expect AMD to cover Intel's warranty ? do you understand anything about how a bankrupt business works ?

i just offered a way for people to get their amps back, and Matt made it happen. if people want it fixed, then i will do it. if they dont, then i'll just ship it back broken. but since i am not eD, i cant fix it under warranty for free, nor can i ship for free. what you may not know, was due to lack of funds and shipping accounts, this was the only way possible for people to get their amps back.

contrary on what you believe, when something like this happens, not everyone is informed about what is going on in small companies. when i hire people on occasion due to heavy load, they have no clue about the business finances. they dont need to know, nor do i want them to. here is a fact that you are likely not going to believe... Alex was the money man. he handled everything to do with money, and nobody else did. same as my business, i am the money man and nobody else. simple as that. another thing you probably wont believe... there is no money to be refunded. you keep saying that Matt needs to refund people, however, there is no money to refund. his integrity he has shown so far, says that he would gladly give people their money back, if there was any to give back.
post #14975 of 15422
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarvelousMarvin View Post

Please read carefully the flow of conversation before butting in. First I don't question Chris' membership. It's the other guy I was talking to. Second, i am nowhere near blaming Chris. He's the one who's injecting himself and playing it like I'm blaming him. I don't even know why all of a sudden he felt that way when all the while all I'm saying is, it's so convenient that Alex is the only one to blame and Matt is all of a sudden the hero and he needs a pat on his shoulders LIKE HE REALLY KNEW NOTHING OF WHAT WAS GOING ON.
Look, you can all go ahead and defend Matt with whatever so called he did, which in fact he's supposed to do in the first place, as representing ED. and he should've actually done more in that the broken amps should have been fixed for free as to those under warranty, and the monies of those who paid for products that were not delivered should have been returned.
Matt has been in and out of this messageboard for even before I have ordered products from ED and now he is totally clueless of what's going on???
You win. No more questioning of who's who. why it failed or where the rest of the assets went while RMA units are being shipped to Dave's shop in Las Vegas.
Let's just all bug the hell out of the Iowa Atty Gen's Office so that may those responsible, those who profitted and made a scam out of this company will be held liable by the law.

Convenience is king and it happens that way sometimes.
Matt had no idea what was going on. Most employees don't in small companies.
fixed free? by who? with what money? at least he paid out of pocket to ship what he could to the repair man. A company goes under, all warranties are void. end of story.
money could be returned if it hadn't been paid out to bills and employees paychecks (assuming paychecks more than bills). Too late to change that.
who do you still have questions about on the who's who? been done and gone over a few times now.
it failed becasue they ran out of money.
there are no assets they could sell. The only product is a few drivers and demo units. I had asked Matt what would be for sale if he could sell.
The other amps were sent to another repair guy in Arizona. Someone somewhere (alex) knows who it is, I don't though.
You should bug the Atty Gen's office. Obviously they've done nothing so far.
Other than a paycheck no one walked away profiting from this that I know of, and if they did I'm sure they will be sent through the ringer in the legal system. If they had money they sure weren't spending it.
post #14976 of 15422
I'd guess that Ben Milne is still the owner. It that is the case, it is too bad he didn't keep a closer eye on the business that he built up.

Here is an article on him from July:

http://www.inc.com/30under30/eric-markowitz/ben-milne-founder-dwolla.html
post #14977 of 15422
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elvis Is Alive View Post

I'd guess that Ben Milne is still the owner. It that is the case, it is too bad he didn't keep a closer eye on the business that he built up.
Here is an article on him from July:
http://www.inc.com/30under30/eric-markowitz/ben-milne-founder-dwolla.html

Odd that you state you think Ben still owns it and then quote that article.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The article you quoted 
So in 2008, Milne sold Elemental Designs

As mentioned previously, Alex was running the show.
post #14978 of 15422
That's just my opinion, as I stated.

Documentation is on my side at this point, regardless of what was written in the article. Eventually, we will find out for sure thru a bankrupcy filing or legal action.

Oh, I'm sure Alex was running things but I still have doubts to his ownership. Doesn't matter in the end, I guess.

As I've stated numerous times, I own eD products dating back to 2008 that have performed flawlessly and am sad to see it end this way.
post #14979 of 15422
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elvis Is Alive View Post

That's just my opinion, as I stated.
Documentation is on my side at this point, regardless of what was written in the article. Eventually, we will find out for sure thru a bankrupcy filing or legal action.
Oh, I'm sure Alex was running things but I still have doubts to his ownership. Doesn't matter in the end, I guess.
As I've stated numerous times, I own eD products dating back to 2008 that have performed flawlessly and am sad to see it end this way.

You have no documentation. If you mean by an expired business liscense then sure you have all the opinions you want. I do not believe they used the elemental designs name to register the business again, but the LLC. All the documentation points to that. Elemental Designs became a trade name.

"A trade name, also known as a trading name or a business name, is the name which a business trades under for commercial purposes, although its registered, legal name, used for contracts and other formal situations, may be another."

Their address shows the LLC when put into a search engine. That LLC is registered with the state. Elemental Designs is not.
post #14980 of 15422
I've said it earlier, and I'll say it again for Marvin's sake...

Thank you to Matt. His integrity was part of the reason I am getting my amp back from Dave. PERIOD. And I say part, because if Alex had actually made good on his words to me, my amp would've been long gone in some factory in who-knows-where Arizona, being ignored because of "a large contract with Infinity". It wasn't though. It was sitting in a pile somewhere within the ED warehouse along side other returns, being ignored and likely waited out by Alex until the whole thing collapsed and assets seized. Matt could have just as easily ignored that pile and thrown in the towel. He didn't. He did his best job to get out in front of things by passing along as much communication as possible through certain channels and taking as much action as he could afford to take at the time.

For Matt to have salvaged what products he could for repair, likely paying for the shipping to Dave out of his own pocket, shows the character of a man who once had pride in something good and did his best to maintain that pride. Because of that, I believe he CLEARLY seperated himself from what was happening overall with ED. Unfortunately, as he said, too little, too late.
post #14981 of 15422
Matt may have salvaged what he could for repairs but beyond that I am not sure he is doing much else. The last post he has in any thread here is on 8/30/12. That is the day that ED closed the doors......so, has ANYBODY heard from or spoke with Matt since then ????? I have sent multiple emails to the new email he has and I have posted on multiple sites and sent him a private message here in AVS and still absolutely no response !! I am wondering if anybody else is seeing this ?
post #14982 of 15422
Also, I am wondering what happened to all of the money customers gave ED ? It has been said by a few that the bills were not paid and they were not buying anything to build any equipment for the customers.......so basically, they took a s**tload of money from customers then simply walked away. Does anyone know if they filed bankruptcy ? If they did file, then how could they with all of this money from customers.....where did that money go ? It seems this happens alot in this country and people get away with it everyday. And the state and local governments let them get away with it...... I bet Alex is driving a nice car and owns a nice house too. Why doesnt the government take everything they own.....sell it all....give that money back to all the customers......give Alex a cardboard box and say congrats, you did this to yourself. oooooh how I wish
post #14983 of 15422
Alex had pics of his setup and his house on the ED site. He was anything but rich from the pics he posted. Most on here have way nicer setups.
post #14984 of 15422
Quote:
Originally Posted by spanky8125 View Post

I bet Alex is driving a nice car and owns a nice house too.

depends. if you consider a 1985 Mustang 4 cylinder turbo a nice car, then yes. biggrin.gif i have seen pretty nice examples of that car... however, Alex's is nowhere near that condition.
post #14985 of 15422
so, now that he has all of our money he can afford a new car I guess !!!
post #14986 of 15422
Quote:
Originally Posted by spanky8125 View Post

so, now that he has all of our money he can afford a new car I guess !!!
so that's why he sold his svt and got the mustang! Who knew!? Totally sounds like an upgrade to me!

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2
post #14987 of 15422
Members do not have to agree with eachother, but making fun of another member is not appropriate.
post #14988 of 15422
seriously....why are people defending the owners of ED ?????/ I mean come on !!!
also, wonder why people say just cut your losses........hard to believe that put into the same situation that you would not be upset with what a company has done and that you would not try to do everything you can on your behalf. And also vent a little in the process weather it be in an online forum or even to your friends......I just figured I would post here because of the HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of other people online in the same position I am. Not really sure some understand that this kind of stuff happens all of the time yet they get away with it because so many people have the "cut my losses" attitude.

NOT trying to start any fights here. I do NOT make alot of money and I had to save for 3.5 months just to pay for 1 sub from ED ($245.00) and I was never told and didn't hear any word of them closing the doors. Just hope that someone can do something.....anything. Is that too much to ask from a company that did this, an owner that knew what he was doing, state government, or even federal government.
I was raised with morals and values and I would like to think that other people have also. So, when an owner of a company deliberately rips off hundreds or thousands of people....it tends to be a little upsetting.
post #14989 of 15422
I bought my speakers from av123 and my sub from eD. I'm gonna buy my next component from Apple and then short the stock!
post #14990 of 15422
Quote:
Originally Posted by spl152db View Post

I do not believe they used the elemental designs name to register the business again, but the LLC. All the documentation points to that. Elemental Designs became a trade name.
"A trade name, also known as a trading name or a business name, is the name which a business trades under for commercial purposes, although its registered, legal name, used for contracts and other formal situations, may be another."
Their address shows the LLC when put into a search engine. That LLC is registered with the state. Elemental Designs is not.

that is absolutely correct. just like Daveds50 Electronics is my trade name, it is not my registered company name. i know, everyone asks... "Dave": obviously my name. "ds" stands for D Stock... the class i was racing in SCCA in 1992. and "50" is my number that i have been using in racing since 1990. put it together, and that is what i used in 1992 for an e mail address... why for a business name ? for lack of anything better in the few seconds that i had to think of a name when filling out business paperwork in 1998. i know... pretty random, huh ? biggrin.gif

what i do know about eD, is that my checks for payment of services that i got from Alex last year, had a business name with 5 letters... the only one i remember, was the first letter was "U". it was not a word, but 5 letters that did not make any sense to me. nowhere on the check was eD.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MT_WRX View Post

I've said it earlier, and I'll say it again for Marvin's sake...
Thank you to Matt. His integrity was part of the reason I am getting my amp back from Dave. PERIOD. And I say part, because if Alex had actually made good on his words to me, my amp would've been long gone in some factory in who-knows-where Arizona, being ignored because of "a large contract with Infinity".

and you should have your fixed amp on thursday ! it was picked up at 3:00 this afternoon. enjoy !

you know... i have gotten that story from a lot of people about Alex and Arizona... lots of people that sent in amps after i quit accepting them have contacted me, and said that their name was not on the list, and asked if i had it... the answer is no, by the way. you must have gotten lucky that it was not sent to AZ. i dont believe much of what Alex has said in the past, but i am leaning toward believing that he did have a guy in AZ that fixes amps. there are amps that are not here, nor are they at eD. unfortunately, the guy in AZ seems to be a flake, and maybe he is using the amps in his living room. frown.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by spanky8125 View Post

Matt may have salvaged what he could for repairs but beyond that I am not sure he is doing much else. The last post he has in any thread here is on 8/30/12. That is the day that ED closed the doors......so, has ANYBODY heard from or spoke with Matt since then ?????

read what happened since that post. his message on the eD website said that he got a little more time to take care of as much as he can, and while he did get some stuff done, he hit a lot of roadblocks. one i know about for sure, was shipping. UPS and Fedex accounts were closed, due to non payment. they refused to deal with anything to do with eD.

yes, i have talked to Matt on the phone a few times since then. the tone of his conversation, was frustrated. roadblocks left and right, and a lot that he wanted to do, simply is not possible, and is no fault of Matt's.
Quote:
Originally Posted by spanky8125 View Post

seriously....why are people defending the owners of ED ?????/ I mean come on !!!
also, wonder why people say just cut your losses........hard to believe that put into the same situation that you would not be upset with what a company has done and that you would not try to do everything you can on your behalf.

i dont see anyone defending eD or Alex. i was owed money, likely a lot more than anyone else. but ranting about it here wont do a thing.

i only defended Matt though. when the ship was burning, he did not jump ship like Alex did. Matt grabbed a fire extinguisher and started trying to put out the fire. we all knew it is a lost cause, but nobody else was there to put in any effort. i do know how tough it was to raise money to ship the RMA's to me, but he did it. took a while to do, but he pulled through.

slam Alex all you want. dont know what good it will do though. people have told me and forwarded e mails from Alex, and i am learning a lot about the guy who used to be my contact at eD...

anyway, some good did come out of the whole thing for me. i joined here, and am considering and planning to do something about my HT system after reading around. as i mentioned before, you guys would laugh at my system. biggrin.gif but listening to these amps on my test rigs ( with JL10W3's in ported boxes ) proves to me how lousy my HT system sounds. when the benches in the shop blow away your HT at home, something is wrong. i have a broken Pioneer Elite receiver that has been sitting around that i should fix when this is over... even just that would be a million percent better than what i have now.

done for the day... got a lot done in 16 hours. not all was eD amps though, i had to fit in a few car amplifiers and a McIntosh car head unit in too. time for bed, and then do it all over again tomorrow.
post #14991 of 15422
i am re-posting the list, as there are still unclaimed amps, and the original list is getting buried in this thread. many of the names have contacted me, and some of them have already shipped out. however there are some that are still homeless.

< begin re-post >


ok, 28 homeless RMA units. if you had an amp at eD and it is missing, see if your name is here:


A Hampton

M Truzzi

R Bvenrostro

J Morrison

M Bruno

B Feucht

J Devereux

L DesRoche

J Saler

J Carbone

J Jiang

M Gimbl

C Thornton

T Stout

R Holler

M Tracz

G Reyes

S Padilla

J Edel

A Smith

M Berkowski

D Jack

R Owens

D Henke

J Yee

M Humann

J Denton

A Estillore


first of all, i apologize if your last name is spelled wrong... but in reality, you should print better so other people can read what you wrote. biggrin.gif

if your name is here, for security reasons to make sure someone does not try to claim something that is not theirs, private message me with:

1. your first and last name

2. city, state, and zip code of where you live

3. RMA number

4. do you want it fixed or not
post #14992 of 15422
A couple of other websites, Dave, that had ED users are blu-ray.com and audioholics.com.
post #14993 of 15422
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

A couple of other websites, Dave, that had ED users are blu-ray.com and audioholics.com.

I posted over in the eD thread on Blu-ray.com
post #14994 of 15422
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

A couple of other websites, Dave, that had ED users are blu-ray.com and audioholics.com.

Chu, are you a member on audioholics.com ? if so, can you copy and paste the list there ? or link to the post with the list ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Schempp View Post

I posted over in the eD thread on Blu-ray.com

thanks Chris !


anyway... back to work i go. will be messaging some of you sometime today.
post #14995 of 15422
Here's the spec. sheet for the driver for the A5-350. Thank goodness I downloaded it before the company went belly-up. Hope this helps some people.

16ov_2.pdf 1542k .pdf file
post #14996 of 15422
Quote:
Originally Posted by kpoon View Post

Here's the spec. sheet for the driver for the A5-350. Thank goodness I downloaded it before the company went belly-up. Hope this helps some people.
16ov_2.pdf 1542k .pdf file

one of the members of my new forum took it upon himself to unload all of eD's specs from their website before it went belly up.
http://icixsound.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=76 - home audio
http://icixsound.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=73 - amplifiers (car)
http://icixsound.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=68 - drivers (car)
post #14997 of 15422
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveds50 View Post

Chu, are you a member on audioholics.com ? if so, can you copy and paste the list there ? or link to the post with the list ?
thanks Chris !
anyway... back to work i go. will be messaging some of you sometime today.

Do you have a shop in Las Vegas that people can come and physically take their subwoofers for repair kind of like Rick the Restoration guy? Many people frequent Vegas, I for one visit Las Vegas quite often and have many friends who gamble for a living. If you have a shop would you post where it is?
post #14998 of 15422
yes, i have a shop... however, it is not the kind that you are thinking of. it is not open to the public, and never will be. i am a private contract engineer and repair house to manufacturers, and i do not want walk in's from individuals.

while i do individual repairs for people, it is pre-arranged... as in, someone contacts me and i tell them to send it. almost always, it is sent to my house. thats because i am Daddy Day Care in the daytime when the shipping companies deliver things, and then when my wife gets home, i get busy... that also explains why i am posting at odd hours, like last night. 1 or 2 in the morning, is often normal.

i do not mind people coming over to the house and dropping things off in the day, however, i do not want to be bothered when in the shop and busy.
post #14999 of 15422
Does anyone that has an LT500, or even any other eD amps without a bypass switch to select "auto on" feature know if there is a way to set the amp to be "always on" instead of auto turn on?
post #15000 of 15422
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarvelousMarvin View Post

So how do you know so much. You joined right at the time when ED was closing its doors. You seem to defend them everytime you can. You know more than anybody else over here. So what is your role in ED?

SPL152 was nothing more than a fan od eD ...and was active on the eD forum for years...and is a pretty decent guy.

On the other hand...show me a single post you have posted in the past few months that is not railing on eD.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Subwoofers, Bass, and Transducers › Official Elemental Designs Subwoofer Thread