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post #9421 of 15215
3/15/10 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by padgettl View Post

I got my new driver yesterday!! Whoo-hoo. Question: This speaker is a little different than the one I took out of the A2-300. The original one had a positive and negative terminal on each side (red black red black). The outer ones were connected to the corresponding amp wires (Red/Black) and the interior ones had a jumper cable going between them. The new one ED sent me does not have the interior terminals and no jumper cable. Does this matter? After all I've been thru, I don't want to do anything wrong. I'll call them tomorrow, but was just curious if anyone knew if it mattered? Thanks in advance!

As some of you may know, we've shifted a lot of driver production to in house. What we've done is eliminated the need for there to be a jumper wire externally and have made the connection internally, so instead of having 4 terminals with a wire connected the inner 2, there are only 2 terminals that can be connected directly to the output wires from the amplifier. Easier for us, easier for the end use.
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post #9422 of 15215
3/15/10 at 9:29am
I finally got to host for the first time yesterday with my a7-900. I got a copy of 2012 on blu and had 4 guests (passengers)over. It was truly the most amazing sound experience I have ever heard yet! The other 5 channels in my setup are equally impressive to my eD in doing their jobs but I will make my comments about the sub only here cuz that's what this forum is for. My guests were literally laughing out loud because of the amount of bass, they were putting their hands on the walls because they wanted to check and see if the house was actually shaking as much as they suspected! I just smiled a subtle, victorious smile as we got pulverized by earth quake after earth quake and tidal wave after tidal wave. It was a physically exhausting experience. Usually when I sit down to watch movies I like to do 2 or even 3 in a row when I have the time. I had absolutely no desire to "rock" any more. I actually suggested to my wife that we watch one of here chick flicks which use only the tv speakers because I needed to recuperate!
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post #9423 of 15215
3/15/10 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by Limp Fox View Post

I want to see if I understand what your saying. Audyssey set my speaker levels all over the place. Your saying there best put within .5 - 1db of each other? Below is how my Onkyo 807 has things set up. Note I ran Audyssey without the sub.... I am running 7.1 right now, but might take off 2 speakers bc I really don't have the room for all 7 towers in my living room. So 2 might going a different room for awhile. Not sure if that will make a huge difference with the DB settings going from 7.1 to 5.1?

Front 80hz (THX)
Center 50hz
Surround 40hz
Surround back 40hz

LPF of LFE 80hz (THX)

Left -6.5db
Center -5.0db
Right -7.0db
Surround Left -4.5db
Surround Right -6.5db
Surround back Left -5.0db
Surround back Right -3.5db
Sub 0db

THX Ultra 2/Select 2 sub = Yes
BGC (Boundary Gain Compensation) = On
Loudness Plus = Off
Preserve THX Settings = Yes

I guess I wasn't clear on (at least!) one point. Whatever the relative differences audyssey sets you SHOULD honor, how far it sets them all from 0 is the irrelevant part. So all I'm saying is that with the trims you have listed above and, for example, with your master volume set at 70 (absolute) it would be the exact same as if adjusted your trims as follows:

Left -3db
Center -1.5db
Right -3.5db
Surround Left -1db
Surround Right -3db
Surround back Left -1.5db
Surround back Right 0db
Sub +3.5db
and had your master volume at 66.5. All I did was add 3.5 to all 8 settings. So you can see that you're running your sub +3.5 db's hotter than your highest speaker trim setting, which IMHO might be a bit hot. But if you've been operating this way and haven't had any trouble there's no reason to change it! Here's a different test you can try that doesn't need rerunning of audyssey to verify what I'm saying. I am going to speak in volume "absolute" terms because that's how my mind thinks. With the current trim settings that you posted your max volume is going to be 100 (I think for that model avr). Change your trim on the sub up from 0 to say 2. You'll see that your max volume is now 98. If you were to set all your trims at say -12 you'd see that your max volume is now 112 or vice versa, all trims at +12 or even just one of them) and your max is 88. I'm pretty sure that the test tones sent out by audyssey during calibration obey the current volume setting you happen to be at. So whenever I get done running audyssey I just manually bump all trims the same amount so that they all surround "0" as close as possible but I keep their perspective differences the same. I then plug the sub in an leave the trim at 0.

Hope this helps a little more...
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post #9424 of 15215
3/15/10 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by Sideofpotatos View Post

I finally got to host for the first time yesterday with my a7-900. I got a copy of 2012 on blu and had 4 guests over. It was truly the most amazing sound experience I have ever heard yet! ... I actually suggested to my wife that we watch one of here chick flicks which use only the tv speakers because I needed to recuperate!

You are in the minority my friend. I too thought the bass on 2012 was just insane throughout the movie, but a bunch of folks on the master list of movies with bass thread said 2012 sucked for bass. I doubted myself for a bit but I rewatched this weekend and I still think 2012 has buttloads of bass. Wish I could've listened to it on an A7-900 though!
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post #9425 of 15215
3/15/10 at 10:32am
Having had my A5-350 since Christmas time and maybe one week of use out of it I am just plain done.Today it broke again.Soon I will use it for tomahawk practice.I'm out nearly $500 but I no longer care.

Alex and eD have been fantastic going far beyond what I would expect for a second owner.I would not hesitate to buy a NEW subwoofer from them but for now I'll just stick to my old ACI Titans.

Andy
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post #9426 of 15215
3/15/10 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by torcher View Post

Having had my A5-350 since Christmas time and maybe one week of use out of it I am just plain done.Today it broke again.Soon I will use it for tomahawk practice.I'm out nearly $500 but I no longer care.

Alex and eD have been fantastic going far beyond what I would expect for a second owner.I would not hesitate to buy a NEW subwoofer from them but for now I'll just stick to my old ACI Titans.

Andy

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Originally Posted by CCONKLIN1 View Post

That's exactly the same type of driver that crapped out in my a2-300. I, too, am waiting for a replacement as one of the voice coils died on mine. Let us know your impressions of the new one!
Best,
Chris

PS It will be a month in 4 days since I asked for a replacement driver and had to prepay for it..
PPS. I also had to watch Hurt Locker with my wife and it SUCKED because I had no sub! :-)

Cancelled my A2-300 order. These two sort of sealed it for me. I am sure they are great guys and a decent company but the quality just isn't there. If nothing else, if you have already received the product and it stops working you should never have to wait a month for a part. Also, not having any clear answer as to what is causing this issue would leave me constantly worried. Even if my sub works great in my current setup, what if I get a different receiver in a year or two? Or re-do my electrical? (Both of which are likely in the next couple years.) Who knows when I could have an issue? And then I'd be out of warranty. Best of luck to everyone and thanks for the info.
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post #9427 of 15215
3/15/10 at 3:52pm
Since there's been a lot of talk about the A2-300 failing on people lately would others that have this sub and haven't had any issues mind chiming in? I have one of these on order and I've been debating whether or not I should cancel my order. I doubt I will but who knows. I don't even know what other sub I would go with if I did.
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post #9428 of 15215
3/15/10 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by swizzlea44 View Post

Since there's been a lot of talk about the A2-300 failing on people lately would others that have this sub and haven't had any issues mind chiming in? I have one of these on order and I've been debating whether or not I should cancel my order. I doubt I will but who knows. I don't even know what other sub I would go with if I did.

+1

Doesn't look good for ED right now.
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post #9429 of 15215
3/15/10 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by swizzlea44 View Post

Since there's been a lot of talk about the A2-300 failing on people lately would others that have this sub and haven't had any issues mind chiming in? I have one of these on order and I've been debating whether or not I should cancel my order. I doubt I will but who knows. I don't even know what other sub I would go with if I did.

I'm 10 months and running with my A2-300 I wish they would offer a Bash amp as an option. I would be willing to pay a little extra for the Bash amps track record. I know the amps eD uses are made over sea's. I think they need to do this to keep cost down.
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post #9430 of 15215
3/15/10 at 5:17pm
For those of you canceling your order or thinking about it, I can't say I blame you. With the economy the way it is and money being hard, it's tough to justify a sub purchase as it is. Add an abnormally high rate of failure and it just becomes too much to sit comfortably with.

With that being said, the price to performance ratio, eD is where it's at. Those of you in this forum already know this. The guys at eD are doing everything they can to make things right with people. I do know that with CConklin they needed to determine the cause of the issue. That takes time, and we all know how busy they are. I definitely don't expect them to drop everything they're doing to take care of me. Waiting a month for a part that they have in stock is a bit ridiculous, however, I don't remember anyone saying that the part was in stock or out of stock.

I've been to eD's facility, and have walked through everything and have asked questions. They do a good job of QC for everything they have. As Alex has stated in the past, everything is tested more than once. I'm not trying to persuade anyone from ordering or canceling their order, I would just like to point out that there are two sides to every order. And sometimes things do fall through the cracks, that's life, and that's business.

I currently have an A7s-650 on order, do I want it immediately, yes, do I want a perfect product, yes. Not once has anyone at eD stated that they wouldn't help someone if you call. I've found that is the biggest thing, give eD a call, express your concerns, ask questions and hear the answers right from the source. Alot of gossip here on the forum, and more people with bad experiences post than those with good.

A perfect example is a few posts back where someone actually has to ask someone with a good experience to post about their sub. People that are happy with their sub, are watching movies, not reading about all of us waiting on products or about some bad luck others are having.
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post #9431 of 15215
3/15/10 at 5:39pm
Great post Edy,
I have a A5-350 and it is a fantastic sub, especially for the money. I think you're right, there are alot of happy people with no problems that do not post. Sadly life happens and not everyone is problem free. The people who have problems post here, and the people who don't are less likely to post about their happiness, hence all the negativity and people questioning their orders. With the large number of A2-300s and other subs sold the people who are posting with a problem are few. If you don't think it's worth the small risk don't buy one, simple as that. Gossip and bad news spread like wildfire.
It's just like when I ordered an Epik sub. I was worried about shipping damage talked about because of 2 people who had it in the epik forum. That wasn't even a handful of people who made a bunch of people question their decision and call Epik and those two people were not even a fraction of the number of subs sold with no damage on shipping. Good luck to those who do buy and wait. You won't be dissappointed.
People can flame all they want, at least eD is trying to help them and answers when they call.
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post #9432 of 15215
3/15/10 at 5:40pm
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Originally Posted by eric-t View Post

I'm 10 months and running with my A2-300 I wish they would offer a Bash amp as an option. I would be willing to pay a little extra for the Bash amps track record. I know the amps eD uses are made over sea's. I think they need to do this to keep cost down.

From owning an SVS sub with a bash amp, they have their issues every now and then as well. No company is immune.
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post #9433 of 15215
3/15/10 at 6:14pm
Does anyone know of a person who has purchased/assembled/tested, etc a 19Ov.2 Ported DIY Kit? I'm heavily thinking about one of these in the near future. My goal is to obtain performance similar to an A7-350, i was curious where this kit stood in the overall scheme of things.

If not. I'm currently on an a2-300, do you guys think a A5-350 would be a reasonably sufficient upgrade or would i be better of saving towards something like an A7-350 or 450?
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post #9434 of 15215
3/15/10 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by Limp Fox View Post

I just got done watching hurt locker and I would say a sub would be the best way to watch it - like almost anything. There was some intense long deep bass scenes that pop the wood A few big explosions caused massive amounts of air to be push out of the sub and into my seating area. Felt like I was at Universal Studios at times

I sincerely hope you get your part(s) soon

Judd

Thanks for making me feel better.....NOT!
From the opening scene, I was like...WTF am I doing watching this without a sub, but my wife REALLY wanted to watch it...
sigh...
Chris
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post #9435 of 15215
3/15/10 at 6:38pm
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Originally Posted by DangerMoose View Post

On the list of movies waiting for my A2-300 to arrive. (Which remains in FedEx limbo, somewhere en route from Chicago. aaargh!)

Hey, I am in chicago, maybe I can snag it and swap drivers! :-)
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post #9436 of 15215
3/15/10 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by NiceguyEdy View Post

I do know that with CConklin they needed to determine the cause of the issue. That takes time, and we all know how busy they are. I definitely don't expect them to drop everything they're doing to take care of me. Waiting a month for a part that they have in stock is a bit ridiculous, however, I don't remember anyone saying that the part was in stock or out of stock.

Two points.
1. I have already PAID for a replacement on 2/19/10 (because they insisted I do) until they can "determine" what caused my driver to lose a voice coil, even though it is under warranty.
2. Another avs'er here on the forum asked for a replacement for his on March 1 and already has his!
That's kinda my beef right now. I also sent Alex an email as well asking about this...
Best,
Chris

PS: I am also not a rookie when it comes to this stuff and have previously owned a different ED sub that GOV here on the forum bought from me.
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post #9437 of 15215
3/15/10 at 8:01pm
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Originally Posted by CCONKLIN1 View Post

Two points.
1. I have already PAID for a replacement on 2/19/10 (because they insisted I do) until they can "determine" what caused my driver to lose a voice coil, even though it is under warranty.
2. Another avs'er here on the forum asked for a replacement for his on March 1 and already has his!
That's kinda my beef right now. I also sent Alex an email as well asking about this...
Best,
Chris

PS: I am also not a rookie when it comes to this stuff and have previously owned a different ED sub that GOV here on the forum bought from me.

Chris,

I was not trying to attack you at all, and I am familiar with you and know you're not a "rookie". I remember you from the Emotiva forums.

I think that you are taking the best course of action to rectify the situation. It sucks that you've had to wait so long, but as I stated before, sometimes things fall through the cracks. They are incredibly busy as I'm sure nobody needs to be reminded of.

I hope you don't feel that I was attacking you, I was simply trying to post a different point of view. I hope you get your situation taken care of as soon as possible. I believe eD will do whatever is necessary to make things right by you.
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post #9438 of 15215
3/15/10 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by NiceguyEdy View Post

Chris,

I was not trying to attack you at all, and I am familiar with you and know you're not a "rookie". I remember you from the Emotiva forums.

I think that you are taking the best course of action to rectify the situation. It sucks that you've had to wait so long, but as I stated before, sometimes things fall through the cracks. They are incredibly busy as I'm sure nobody needs to be reminded of.

I hope you don't feel that I was attacking you, I was simply trying to post a different point of view. I hope you get your situation taken care of as soon as possible. I believe eD will do whatever is necessary to make things right by you.

Did not take it as an attack at all, so sorry if it came off that way. Looking at my post, I could see how you could see it like that. I was actually just typing in hurry because I has to go and watch 24! I know ED customer service is good which is also why I emailed them this morning about it. I AM still kinda cheesed about having to pay for a replacement until they "determine" why the driver failed, and yes, I am not happy that someone else orders one almost two weeks after me and already has theirs. But, you are 100% right, crap happens and sometimes things do fall in the cracks. I will get over it, this IS a hobby of mine and we are not talking about life or death situations so things need to be in perspective...
Best,
Chris
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post #9439 of 15215
3/16/10 at 5:14am
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Originally Posted by DoubleATheater View Post

From owning an SVS sub with a bash amp, they have their issues every now and then as well. No company is immune.

Never said no company is. I own an SVS as well. But there is an issue with this amp, not a major one but an issue non the less. I just wish they could figure what's failing. eD is a great company and I would buy another sub from them tomorrow if I needed one. They have outstanding customer service, great product development and guy's who love what they do so you know their heart goes into every product. I don't want to discourage anyone from buying one and you have to make that decision yourself.
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post #9440 of 15215
3/16/10 at 7:36am
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Originally Posted by CCONKLIN1 View Post

Hey, I am in chicago, maybe I can snag it and swap drivers! :-)

dude you're like 50 miles from chicago
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post #9441 of 15215
3/16/10 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by Sonies View Post

dude you're like 50 miles from chicago

Hey, I would drive50 miless if it meant my damn sub would be working! :-)
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post #9442 of 15215
3/16/10 at 8:12am
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Originally Posted by CCONKLIN1 View Post

Hey, I am in chicago, maybe I can snag it and swap drivers! :-)

Fortunately for me (and not for you), it found its way to NJ and is "on FedEx vehicle for delivery" as of this morning.

I will be sure to let the crew here know about my experience (good or bad).
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post #9443 of 15215
3/16/10 at 9:01am
Just got off the phone with Alex. I was speaking with him for about 30minutes and placed another order for a second A2-300. Their customer service is what really has me being a return customer. Their swapped, but yet they find the time to talk to you. Says great things about them. There's going to be a 2 month wait on the sub, but no worries which shows how busy they really are.

I was going to pull the trigger and order 2 mtm's with stands, but I got cheap - haha. I'm sure I will regret not getting them later. O well these Jamo's are so far impressing me.

Judd
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post #9444 of 15215
3/16/10 at 9:24am
Yeah, I meant to order another a2-300 but forgot to before the sale went off. I wonder if I can guilt trip Alex into letting me have one at the sale price...
Chris
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post #9445 of 15215
3/16/10 at 9:35am
There's a lot of people canceling there order(s) on the A2-300 so you never know. Give him a call.

Judd
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post #9446 of 15215
3/16/10 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by eric-t View Post

Never said no company is. I own an SVS as well. But there is an issue with this amp, not a major one but an issue non the less. I just wish they could figure what's failing. eD is a great company and I would buy another sub from them tomorrow if I needed one. They have outstanding customer service, great product development and guy's who love what they do so you know their heart goes into every product. I don't want to discourage anyone from buying one and you have to make that decision yourself.

I wasn't trying to imply that you said no company is immune. That was my own saying. I think it would be great if eD could find the issue.
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post #9447 of 15215
3/16/10 at 5:15pm
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Originally Posted by DoubleATheater View Post

I wasn't trying to imply that you said no company is immune. That was my own saying. I think it would be great if eD could find the issue.

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post #9448 of 15215
3/16/10 at 5:32pm
I too was one that went a different way. One thing I think would help ED is if they just quit taking orders till they can actually fill them. Amazon is one of the biggest companies in the world but if they dont have something on hand it is listed as out of stock. Vanns is a great place to get electronics, but if they dont have something in stock, the add to cart button isnt even available for that item. Same way with many online dealers, if they dont have an item that they can send to you right away, they list it as out of stock. I think this would really benefit people who are being discouraged by the long wait times. ED should quit taking orders till they can get caught up and actually have some inventory on hand. If they only have 10 subs made, after 10 have been ordered, just stop taking orders, how hard is that? Im not trying to slam them, ED seems like a great customer service company, just not doing well making smart business decisions it seems.
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post #9449 of 15215
3/16/10 at 5:48pm
Ok so I finally got my custom A5s-325 on Friday and I have to say this thing is amazing. I'll post some numbers when I have some more time but for right now I jus wanted to say that Alex and Brett and whoever else worked on it did a fantastic job. It's a white enclosure with the dimensions being 25x15x15. My wife chose the dimensions for the most part and we both agreed on it bein white since it blends a little better with our living room. I'll also post some pics when I get some time, hopefully this weekend at the latest. If you want to see some pics now ED has some on their "keep on truckin" blog. I have to say the quality of this sub is amazing. I've had a couple friends over already, and my brother who has an A7s-450, and they all agree it was money well spent. And considering only my brother thinks of this as a hobby that's impressive. Alex was right when he told me it's not an spl monster but it does dig deep and it does it with precision. I never understood what people meant when they said a sub was tight and articulate but now I do. Every bass note sounds the way it should. There's just no boom to it. It's an amazing sub all around.

Now for everyone worried about shipment times I will say they told me four weeks and it took a little more than seven. So yes it would be nice if they could be a little more accurate with the shipping times, but at the same time they have great products that are worth waiting for. Plus mine was literally custom built, something that no other company would or could do for me. My wife is also extremely happy, which is very important to me. (Especially since my wife was going to let me put four A7s-450's in the basement home theater) Both of us are very pleased and that's the most important thing.

Also for those having problems with their subs I know it can be frustrating but Alex and Brett and all the guys at ED are pretty good about getting their customers up and running. It might take some time considering you can't just drive to the store and have them fix it there, but they'll definitely take care of you.
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post #9450 of 15215
3/16/10 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by Madaeel View Post

Ok so I finally got my custom A5s-325 on Friday and I have to say this thing is amazing. I'll post some numbers when I have some more time but for right now I jus wanted to say that Alex and Brett and whoever else worked on it did a fantastic job. It's a white enclosure with the dimensions being 25x15x15. My wife chose the dimensions for the most part and we both agreed on it bein white since it blends a little better with our living room. I'll also post some pics when I get some time, hopefully this weekend at the latest. If you want to see some pics now ED has some on their "keep on truckin" blog. I have to say the quality of this sub is amazing. I've had a couple friends over already, and my brother who has an A7s-450, and they all agree it was money well spent. And considering only my brother thinks of this as a hobby that's impressive. Alex was right when he told me it's not an spl monster but it does dig deep and it does it with precision. I never understood what people meant when they said a sub was tight and articulate but now I do. Every bass note sounds the way it should. There's just no boom to it. It's an amazing sub all around.

Now for everyone worried about shipment times I will say they told me four weeks and it took a little more than seven. So yes it would be nice if they could be a little more accurate with the shipping times, but at the same time they have great products that are worth waiting for. Plus mine was literally custom built, something that no other company would or could do for me. My wife is also extremely happy, which is very important to me. (Especially since my wife was going to let me put four A7s-450's in the basement home theater) Both of us are very pleased and that's the most important thing.

Also for those having problems with their subs I know it can be frustrating but Alex and Brett and all the guys at ED are pretty good about getting their customers up and running. It might take some time considering you can't just drive to the store and have them fix it there, but they'll definitely take care of you.

Isn't this your custom sub?

http://blog.edesignaudio.com/?p=1058
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