AVS › AVS Forum › HDTV › HDTV Programming › Enough with all the clutter (graphics) on my HD screen!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Enough with all the clutter (graphics) on my HD screen! - Page 91

post #2701 of 3166
Fox Movie Channel has a HD feed.
post #2702 of 3166
Any reports from viewers on it?

--
Edit - the only provider I see in the AVS list is "Bright House"... Florida, I guess.
post #2703 of 3166
I watched a movie on DVD tonight and when the end credits came on I pressed the FF search button. The end credits were still moving slower than the end credits on a lot of these channels these days.
post #2704 of 3166
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedi Master View Post

I watched a movie on DVD tonight and when the end credits came on I pressed the FF search button. The end credits were still moving slower than the end credits on a lot of these channels these days.

Unless the movie is shown on a premium channel like HBO, Showtime, Starz or Encore, they have a bad habit of "time compressing" credits.
post #2705 of 3166
From the Southland season premiere on TNT HD last night:



Do not want.
post #2706 of 3166
Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie460 View Post

From the Southland season premiere on TNT HD last night:

Do not want.

Welcome to TNT. They were one of the worst offenders when the snipe trend started and are still one of the worst.
post #2707 of 3166
This morning's broadcast of "Winter in Wartime" on Starz had the continuous logo bug in the corner throughout the entire showing, the first time on that channel I've ever seen.

Yet another great channel is being eaten by this goddamned advertising/logo cancer.
post #2708 of 3166
Quote:


Do not want.

So what did the cable company say when you called to cancel your subscription?
post #2709 of 3166
Quote:
Originally Posted by Solfan View Post

This morning's broadcast of "Winter in Wartime" on Starz had the continuous logo bug in the corner throughout the entire showing, the first time on that channel I've ever seen.

Yet another great channel is being eaten by this goddamned advertising/logo cancer.

Isn't Starz a premium channel that costs extra? That is totally unacceptable.
post #2710 of 3166
The Playboy Channel was doing it about 10 years ago (I saw it when there was a glitch on my friend's C-band dish that caused it to come in for free for a while.) Before seeing that I had joked that we'll know this logo thing has become a REAL problem when the Playboy Channel puts a rabbit head in the corner of the screen!

Heard about a product placement on the new "Hawaii 5-O": http://eater.com/archives/2012/01/19...waii-fiveo.php

They should have demanded that CBS take their logo off the screen, at least during that part. I've let Subway know that I'll be boycotting them because of this. (They did a similar thing earlier during the show "Chuck" with the NBC turkey on the screen, I informed Subway I was boycotting them for that too but they obviously didn't care.)
post #2711 of 3166
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8traxrule View Post

I informed Subway I was boycotting them for that too but they obviously didn't care.

The nerve of them!
post #2712 of 3166
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8traxrule View Post

They should have demanded that CBS take their logo off the screen, at least during that part. I've let Subway know that I'll be boycotting them because of this. (They did a similar thing earlier during the show "Chuck" with the NBC turkey on the screen, I informed Subway I was boycotting them for that too but they obviously didn't care.)

You do know one of the few reasons Chuck was kept on the air is because of Subway's sponsorship don't you?
post #2713 of 3166
Really? And they STILL didn't demand the bug be removed? All the more reason to boycott them. However, had they sponsored something like "The Subway Sandwiches Bug-Free Showcase With Minimal Commercial Breaks" I would have eaten there on a regular basis.
post #2714 of 3166
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8traxrule View Post

Really? And they STILL didn't demand the bug be removed?

I don't think there are many people out there who care about it as much as you do.
post #2715 of 3166
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8traxrule View Post

Really? And they STILL didn't demand the bug be removed? All the more reason to boycott them. However, had they sponsored something like "The Subway Sandwiches Bug-Free Showcase With Minimal Commercial Breaks" I would have eaten there on a regular basis.

Why would they demand the bug be removed? They paid for the production of the show and received integrated advertising. Why would they care if it says NBC on the screen? The audience are not watching for the bug.

If you watch still Chuck you should be thanking Subway. The fans asked for their help directly and Subway played a big part in convincing NBC to keep the show on air after season two.
post #2716 of 3166
Don't sponsors usually want the bugs off during commercial time, since it's time they're paying for? Disgusting that a show has enough "fans" to keep it on the air, yet they don't mind that literally every frame of their show has a logo on it. I complained quite vocally when this started, if enough other people had then we wouldn't still be enduring it more than *14 YEARS* later! I know "The Simpsons" people don't like bugs because I got a thank-you letter from them back in 1994 when I wrote to Fox complaining about it!

I have to ask again: What has anybody GAINED by doing this?? They don't get paid to put the bugs there, I doubt there's a single viewer out there who tunes in specifically because they want to see the bug, yet there ARE people who no longer watch because of it! So show me the positive effects that the networks have been enjoying- I don't want any of those "increased brand awareness" theories, I want actual FACTS.
post #2717 of 3166
I think you're taking it a little overboard, buddy. If there was ever a time I'd want there to be a channel bug, it would be DURING the commercials. CBS has the least offensive bug of them all anyways. Boycotting Subway because they sponsored a CBS show and CBS didn't take their bug off the screen during it? That is one of the most absurd things I have read today.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 8traxrule View Post

Disgusting that a show has enough "fans" to keep it on the air, yet they don't mind that literally every frame of their show has a logo on it.

I'd imagine it's the same reason people tolerate 18 minutes of advertising breaking into their "hour" show a half dozen times randomly throughout it. People have a high tolerance for bull****.

The Price is Right is down to 36 minutes an episode. That's right: 24 minutes of commercials. It's still a top rated show.
post #2718 of 3166
If I'm not mistaken, the reason why the networks have their network logo is for copyright purposes.
post #2719 of 3166
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8traxrule View Post

Heard about a product placement on the new "Hawaii 5-O": http://eater.com/archives/2012/01/19...waii-fiveo.php

They should have demanded that CBS take their logo off the screen, at least during that part. I've let Subway know that I'll be boycotting them because of this. (They did a similar thing earlier during the show "Chuck" with the NBC turkey on the screen, I informed Subway I was boycotting them for that too but they obviously didn't care.)

My sandwiches from there never look that good, there's always food hanging out, so you know that was carefully crafted.
post #2720 of 3166
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8traxrule View Post

So show me the positive effects that the networks have been enjoying- I don't want any of those "increased brand awareness" theories, I want actual FACTS.

If you want actual facts how about yours?
  • Post facts showing they are losing more viewers than gaining by promoting their brand awareness.
post #2721 of 3166
I don't have any data, but I know they've lost at LEAST one viewer (me) because of the logos. Is there at least one other who tunes in specifically because they DO like the logos?

It seems like most people don't even notice the logos anymore, which is yet another reason I wonder why they continue to use them- those who do notice them either "don't mind" them or they hate them (hence why this thread exists, which was NOT started by me!) but I doubt there are many who like them and think they enhance the viewing experience. Many do think that their purpose is to stop people from recording shows and selling them, but I've never heard that as an official reason. The reasons I have heard are either:

1) With so many cable channels, people often forget which channel they are watching and having a logo always onscreen helps this (which of course is absurd but also is NO excuse for BROADCAST networks/stations to use them, as their signals go to people who don't HAVE cable. Why not set up a cable-only feed with the logos on them and leave those of us who get them over the air in peace?) This is also unnecessary as most new cable boxes and satellite systems display the names of all channels and sometimes even their logos. Analog TV signals had "Extended Data Service" signals the last few years which could display a station's call letters next to the channel number on a display, and also display the name of the show currently on. Of course now ALL digital TV tuners can display this information. I thought that digital TV ought to also have a "graphics" signal, similar to how subtitles on DVDs work, where they could display all the graphics and logos they wish but give the viewer the option to turn them on or off. (I think I mentioned this earlier and someone replied that nobody would ever turn them on by choice.)

2) The logos serve as "brand identity"- if a viewer enjoys a show and knows what network brought it to them, they'll be likely to watch other shows on the same network. (Again this is completely ridiculous- would you be "loyal" to an electronics company that etched its logo directly into its TV screens? I would think that would instead spread word about it being a brand to avoid!) This can also have exactly the opposite effect- Does NBC really want people to remember now that they were the ones who aired "The Playboy Club"?
post #2722 of 3166
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Wellman View Post

If I'm not mistaken, the reason why the networks have their network logo is for copyright purposes.

Mistaken.

1) They were started because of the multitude of channels that were showing up. So, when a viewer channel surfed (before the digital age allowed for the channel info showing up on the screen), the bug let the viewer know which network they were looking at.

2) No OTA network owns the programming they air, so they cannot claim copyright.

Before you say I'm wrong about #2, keep in mind that these days the OTAs are owned by a parent that has a division that produces programming. For examples, many shows on ABC are produced by ABC Studios. Same Disney parent, but ABC does not own the copyright, Disney does. Networks also air programming produced by a production company the parent doesn't own. They certainly can't claim copyright 0n those shows
post #2723 of 3166
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8traxrule View Post

The reasons I have heard are either:

I tend to see them as free advertising. They have virtually nothing to lose (outside of a few here ). They remove the bug during commercials so it doesn't appear they are sponsoring or endorsing the ad (pure guess). I'm also guessing Snipes are growing in popularity as DVRs (commercial skipping) hit mainstream with close to 50% penetration.

I remember there was one show I stopped watching because of the clutter. The show was iffy and the clutter was pretty bad and I was in the mood that it bothered me enough to say I have something better to do. Most of the time I tune them out...
post #2724 of 3166
Can I just reiterate how jealous I am of Europe's National Geographic feed?

Not only is it H.264, it's also 1080i at the same bitrate as the American one! This would be as if the American NatGeo was broadcasting 1080i MPEG-2 @ 20 Mbps.

And look how unobtrusive the logo is:



Compare that with the American one which has to beat us over the head with bright yellow logo, text to make sure we're all aware of what that conspicuous vertical yellow rectangle could stand for, and bonus spam text pimping drugs:



I am convinced that Murdoch despises America. Between this and creating a "news" network designed to delude the majority of the population into voting against their self-interests, this guy really has it out for America.
post #2725 of 3166
NAT GEO WILD is just as awful with the bight yellow spam text on the top right.
I will continue to ignore both channels till the spam text is gone and the logos are not 100% sold.

FOX is using annoying animated next show snipes at the bottom left during programming.
post #2726 of 3166
Quote:
Originally Posted by scorpiontail60 View Post

Can I just reiterate how jealous I am of Europe's National Geographic feed?

Compare that with the American one which has to beat us over the head with bright yellow logo, text to make sure we're all aware of what that conspicuous vertical yellow rectangle could stand for, and bonus spam text pimping drugs:

I am convinced that Murdoch despises America. Between this and creating a "news" network designed to delude the majority of the population into voting against their self-interests, this guy really has it out for America.

We are stupid, that's your answer. See my sig
post #2727 of 3166
The TV Tropes site has an ongoing listing of Pop Up offenses here:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...ommercialPopUp
post #2728 of 3166


This kind of has to do with the Nat Geo Euro Channel post from above...

I love how the BBC does it. At times it's not even visible. This shot was taken from the 1st show on the new season of Top Gear.

I don't know what's better, the car or the logo...
post #2729 of 3166
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rutgerskid View Post

I don't know what's better, the car or the logo...

Most of us would pick the obvious answer, the logo.
post #2730 of 3166
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rutgerskid View Post

I love how the BBC does it. At times it's not even visible.

The only reason they don't mess around with the bug (for now) is because they have strict guidelines on how logos are used.

If the current evidence of their broadcast promos is any indication don't expect it to last.






I hate the upper screen bug. I find it far more distracting than a lower corner bug no matter how transparent it is.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: HDTV Programming
AVS › AVS Forum › HDTV › HDTV Programming › Enough with all the clutter (graphics) on my HD screen!