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post #3061 of 3166
1/6/13 at 6:08pm
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They are supposed to be doing this in hiding meanwhile they are being followed by a TV production crew.
With another crew following the cops. As if either group would allow this to happen.
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post #3062 of 3166
1/6/13 at 8:34pm
When they have a constant promo up for a show coming on later, I assume that means they don't want you to watch the show that's on NOW, but come back later when the promoted show starts??
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post #3063 of 3166
1/6/13 at 11:57pm
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

Of course, there are some here who gripe over even the most ghostly of station logos linging in the corner of the screen, so I would suspect nothing is going to make them happy.

Anyone who wouldn't be bothered about distracting advertising during a classic movie must be some kind of a peasant.

Of course you are bothered by it. The whole point of such advertising is get you to notice it. It is intended to be a distraction from the show you are watching, to advertise another show that will also have distractions for more future shows. frown.gifmad.giffrown.gifmad.gif
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post #3064 of 3166
1/8/13 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

most or at least many HD channels have a OTA SD simulcast they could use

Huh? There are no SD OTA video streams available for use. OTA networks only have HD feeds. The cable channels that still send out SD for cable systems do not have separate HD and SD downstream keyers, they just use the HD stream and center cut it.

Hence the stupid bug in the 4:3 area.
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post #3065 of 3166
1/8/13 at 9:39pm
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

The problem with TV is, you have to wait months to get the video clean with no ads or you'll have to pay per episode. I'm not willing to do that.

Not true on either count.
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post #3066 of 3166
1/8/13 at 10:44pm
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Originally Posted by mrvideo View Post

Not true on either count.

Since most stuff coming out today is reality crap means there isn't much of anything worth waiting on.
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post #3067 of 3166
1/9/13 at 5:08am
Most of the DVDs I'll be purchasing this year will be to finish off the Shows who's episodes I haven't yet acquired yet to complete the series. If a "Grail" Series shows up I'll get it as well, but with over 30,000 Hours of DVDs in my collection I'm pretty well set for life! biggrin.gif
Edited by borntocoast - 1/9/13 at 6:22am
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post #3068 of 3166
1/9/13 at 1:48pm

I wonder if stationary bugs could be obscured/concealed/veiled with some kind of a pass-through hardware processor solution? 

 

I'd be first in line to buy one.

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post #3069 of 3166
1/9/13 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by Solfan View Post

I wonder if stationary bugs could be obscured/concealed/veiled with some kind of a pass-through hardware processor solution? 

I'd be first in line to buy one.
I'd be second biggrin.gif
I've seen posts from people using a PC where they were almost able to erase bugs, unfortunately it would be a lot harder if not impossible to do this on the fly with live TV.
At times with particularly blatant bugs I've thought of taping something translucent to my screen over the offending bug but haven't do date.
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post #3070 of 3166
1/10/13 at 7:06am
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Originally Posted by Solfan View Post

I wonder if stationary bugs could be obscured/concealed/veiled with some kind of a pass-through hardware processor solution? 

I'd be first in line to buy one.
The roblem is, stationary bugs are th least of the issues. After a while, you just block those out like the sound of the refrigerator or even the dish washer running.

There would likely be few complaints over the little CBS eye or the ABC circle if it weren't for the influx of giant snipes with sound effects. Some of the worst have been those for "The Closer" where Kyra Sedgwick comes across the screen and beams you in the eyes with her flashlight in the middle of a dark scene in Harry Potter or those for Nascar with cars running across the sceen along with sound effects. Of course, the most common one is the pop-outs that have to tell you what you're watching now and what's coming up next.

Even the Twitter hash tags can be ignored once the show gets rolling compared to the animated junk.
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post #3071 of 3166
1/10/13 at 7:32am
Here's a youtube clip where someone has used software to obscure the twitter hashtag info.
If you look closely at the bottom right area of the screen you can occasionally notice where the coverup has been made..
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post #3072 of 3166
1/10/13 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

Here's a youtube clip where someone has used software to obscure the twitter hashtag info.
If you look closely at the bottom right area of the screen you can occasionally notice where the coverup has been made..
Honestly, I find that actually more distracting when the coverup partially reveals itself. I'd rather have the static hash tag that I can ignore. I didn't have to look closely to see it - my eyes kept getting drawn to it every time the cover-up artifact appeared. It's like having a fly in the room that occasionally starts attacking the bulb of my lamp.

If clean video is that important, just wait for the DVD or BD set (or Netflix it) which will also eliminate the commericals.
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post #3073 of 3166
1/10/13 at 10:13am
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post
...stationary bugs are th least of the issues. After a while, you just block those out like the sound of the refrigerator or even the dish washer running.

 

 

Nope, not going to happen.

 

And I don't need/want to know what the broadcasting source is/was.

 

Ever.

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post #3074 of 3166
1/10/13 at 10:34am

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The new television screen of the future: 

 

 

 

 

Broadcasters: insert your program material (somewhere) in the lower right corner.

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post #3075 of 3166
1/10/13 at 1:52pm
As annoying as snipes are, I find them less annoying than constant bugs because at least snipes GO AWAY after a few seconds. Bugs annoy me because they NEVER GO AWAY, even when they are obviously in the way of important picture information. In the 70s and 80s, local stations would sometimes flash their logos onscreen for a few seconds. That distracted from the show and I would have rather they not done that, but in the end it was more of a minor annoyance. Anything that is on ALL THE TIME during EVERY SECOND of the show is unacceptable, period. (And yes, I TRIED to "just ignore them" when they started, but just couldn't. And if most people are ignoring or not noticing them, what good are they doing the networks??)
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post #3076 of 3166
1/11/13 at 6:28am
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Originally Posted by 8traxrule View Post

As annoying as snipes are, I find them less annoying than constant bugs because at least snipes GO AWAY after a few seconds. Bugs annoy me because they NEVER GO AWAY, even when they are obviously in the way of important picture information.
Seriously?

You're OK with moving graphics popping into frame - sometimes with sound effects - but the ABC and CBS bugs annoy you more? Further, I've never had either of those block anything important so long as the local affilliate doesn't chime in with their obnoxiously huge logos when subtitles are being displayed.

I have, however, seen snipes cover up subtitles and credits on shows and some take up 1/3 of the screen (hence the term "lower 3rd") so you can't even see that portion of the screen at all.
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Originally Posted by 8traxrule View Post

And if most people are ignoring or not noticing them, what good are they doing the networks??)
They aren't for the people watching the show from the beginning.

They're for those flipping around channels who tune in late. Not every source of TV has an EPG or an information bar to tell them where they just landed.

Look, I get it. You want completely clean video. That's fine, but you aren't going to get that on the TV broadcast. TV stations are in the marketing business and the shows are a way to get a large group of people to see ads. If you don't want a part of that, rent or buy the show on DVD or Blu-ray.
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post #3077 of 3166
1/12/13 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by 8traxrule View Post

As annoying as snipes are, I find them less annoying than constant bugs because at least snipes GO AWAY after a few seconds. Bugs annoy me because they NEVER GO AWAY, even when they are obviously in the way of important picture information. In the 70s and 80s, local stations would sometimes flash their logos onscreen for a few seconds. That distracted from the show and I would have rather they not done that, but in the end it was more of a minor annoyance. Anything that is on ALL THE TIME during EVERY SECOND of the show is unacceptable, period. (And yes, I TRIED to "just ignore them" when they started, but just couldn't. And if most people are ignoring or not noticing them, what good are they doing the networks??)

Do you watch DVD and Blu-Ray only? I was mostly DVD until a year and a half ago when MeTV came to our area. Now I have a bug in the corner of the screen. But since its free OTA TV it helps put some salve in the wound.
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post #3078 of 3166
1/12/13 at 5:57pm
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They aren't for the people watching the show from the beginning. They're for those flipping around channels who tune in late.

You would think networks would not want to annoy those who DO tune in and watch from the beginning. When I watched shows over the air, I watched the ENTIRE show, including the commercials which were the main reason for the show being there in the first place; I didn't switch to other channels during them because I might miss part of the show that way. Seems like that's how everyone involved would WANT me to watch, but they ended up alienating me. Again, they HAVE lost at least one viewer by doing this, so have they GAINED a single extra viewer who tunes in just to see the logos, and/or have they sold more advertising because of them? It still blows me away that not a SINGLE bit of hard evidence showing what has been gained can be given after doing this for more than FIFTEEN YEARS.
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Not every source of TV has an EPG or an information bar to tell them where they just landed.

I'd say about 99% of digital TV tuners do.
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Look, I get it. You want completely clean video. That's fine, but you aren't going to get that on the TV broadcast.

We HAD mostly clean video up until 1998 (1996 for NBC)! Everyone seemed to get along just fine that way too. I can STILL watch some syndicated shows with a clean picture as thankfully most stations in my area don't use their own bugs; four of them do and I have complained to the FCC about them. The "Antenna TV" network on one local subchannel, which started two years ago, has been completely bug-free since the beginning as well and they don't seem to be having any major problems because of that.
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TV stations are in the marketing business and the shows are a way to get a large group of people to see ads.

If they purposely make their shows unwatchable, then I'm going to have tuned out far before the first commercial hits the screen. I have not had a favorable impression of companies that go out of their way to help promote bug-using shows and networks also, Subway Sandwiches being the worst offender. They are one business that I purposely do NOT patronize.
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post #3079 of 3166
1/12/13 at 7:17pm
Does anyone notice there is a time when those "Bugs" COMPLETELY disappear? It's whenever the All-Mighty Commercial Break comes on. mad.gif Heaven FORBID any portion of the screen gets obscured whenever someone is pitching their product. The Networks have no regards for their viewers, and they probably treat their employees like dirt as well. It all about making sure their stockholders get their precious stock dividends. I of course have decided to withhold my money from them, as have about 3,000,000 others. I only wish that number was at least ten times as much. They'd certainly notice that! biggrin.gif
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post #3080 of 3166
1/13/13 at 6:11am
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Originally Posted by borntocoast View Post

Does anyone notice there is a time when those "Bugs" COMPLETELY disappear? It's whenever the All-Mighty Commercial Break comes on. mad.gif Heaven FORBID any portion of the screen gets obscured whenever someone is pitching their product.
No, I don't notice because I have a DVR and skip them. In fact, when the bug disappears, that's my cue to pick up the remote. I find that very helpful that they do that.
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The Networks have no regards for their viewers, and they probably treat their employees like dirt as well. It all about making sure their stockholders get their precious stock dividends.
Talk about generalizations.

I happen to work in the business and feel like I'm treated very well. In fact, I've never been worried about recessions, layoffs or other things that people in other business worry about since my particular area of work is always necessary. There might be some in the business who find themselves victims of restructuring or combining of resources, but my area of work has continued to see growth since the 80's. My job is in little danger of being outsourced - in fact, more positions have been added in my department as the result of keeping more things in house due to greater efficiency.

I'd take working in TV over working for a bank any day - and this is coming from someone who knows people who work for banks. I'll also take this over retail, manufacturing or anything in the high tech or automotive sector where there's no such thing as long term employment.

Do I wish I made more money? Of course I do. However, I'm not poor by any means. I'll take "enough" in a steady paycheck over "a lot" in a pay check that might not come when a fad business slides into the oblivian.
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I of course have decided to withhold my money from them, as have about 3,000,000 others. I only wish that number was at least ten times as much. They'd certainly notice that! biggrin.gif
If that number was ten times as much there would be no TV to watch - or there would be twice as many ads.

The days of a single sponsorship of TV shows is gone. Carriage fees are what pay the bulk of the bills for networks now. Those of us who subscribe to pay TV are the ones paying for the shows you like.

You're welcome.
Edited by NetworkTV - 1/13/13 at 6:19am
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post #3081 of 3166
1/13/13 at 10:22pm
More than once I have seen local stations that use bugs accidentally leave them on during commercial breaks or paid programming. Very often they obscure phone numbers or other info that would be important to the advertiser. If I catch that happening, I always make sure to let the advertiser know and ask them to reconsider advertising on that station. (And I know someone is going to ask what I'm doing watching TV when I hate it so much- I occasionally flip through channels just out of morbid curiosity, and usually stop to watch if I see any technical problems going on. I've been doing that since the 70s, though the "Please Stand By" slides are no more now!)

And why am I not surprised that I STILL haven't heard an answer as to exactly how the use of bugs has BENEFITED any stations or networks...
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post #3082 of 3166
1/14/13 at 12:10am
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If that number was ten times as much there would be no TV to watch - or there would be twice as many ads.

The over the air broadcast networks would survive and the cable networks would go out of business. There are several channels in my area that are OTA only.
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post #3083 of 3166
1/14/13 at 7:00am
Reduced Screen Clutter For 9 News - 1/14 - Gannett's Channel 9/WUSA, in numerous promos during the weekend CBS football playoffs, announces that it will reduce screen clutter during its newscasts. Numerous viewers have complained about how WUSA's newscasts feature multiple screen elements, including a bottom-of-the-screen news ticker, that often distract from what the news anchor is reading. WUSA says it will unveil a much cleaner news info graphics bar on Thursday at noon, which will be color-coded to news, weather, and sports.....

http://www.dcrtv.com/index.html
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post #3084 of 3166
1/14/13 at 12:49pm
Wow- they must have gotten a LOT of complaints to address it publicly like that! Newscasts have been particularly bad for screen clutter, many of them have almost half the screen covered in graphics.
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post #3085 of 3166
1/14/13 at 9:46pm
"'Please stand by' slides are no more"? Create on KVPT 18.2 had one for awhile tonight!
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post #3086 of 3166
1/16/13 at 4:02am
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Originally Posted by Jedi Master View Post

Since most stuff coming out today is reality crap means there isn't much of anything worth waiting on.

I do not know what shows you are watching, but there are many scripted shows that I watch. I can't stand reality shows.
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post #3087 of 3166
1/16/13 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by Jedi Master View Post

The over the air broadcast networks would survive and the cable networks would go out of business. There are several channels in my area that are OTA only.
Keep believing that.

The future is with carriage fees since ads aren't cutting it when it comes to fully funding shows. That's why the major network channels are getting carriage fees in many markets now.

Further, care to tell me how much non-syndicated programming there is on those OTA only channels? If the stations (or networks above them) aren't creating original shows, they aren't making the the same investment that other networks are.
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post #3088 of 3166
1/16/13 at 2:27pm

Some of these people apparently think they're on a "retro" programming fan forum.

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post #3089 of 3166
1/16/13 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

Some of these people apparently think they're on a "retro" programming fan forum.

Sad, isn't it?
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post #3090 of 3166
3/25/13 at 10:56pm
The A-holes at ABC are now sniping Jimmy Kimmel. Tonight they had a snipe for that dumb Splash thing. One of the damn snipes started in the upper-right corner, with the swimmer jumping into a pool at the bottom right of the screen.

Argh! mad.gif
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