Originally Posted by atdamico
You know, that's true, but it seems to me that we make a little too much out of it. Who cooked those hamburgers that killed quite a few people a few years back? Oh yeah, that was Jack in the Box. And how about the home delivery company Schwans that forgot to clean out one of their tanker trucks (oops) that had milk in it before filling it full of ice cream that killed dozens. Both American companies. There are thousands of examples of recalls from everything from toys to consumer goods, to cars, to medications, to, well you get the picture. I mean medicines approved by the FDA have killed tens of thousands over just the last few years. Look at the law suits. Remember that great weight loss product that ate HOLES in peoples hearts? But is anyone crying about the horrible quality control of Americal made goods and foods? Not that I hear. Who makes that new operating system Vista? Yeah that would be MS an American company. Point is that it happens everywhere. Always has always will. Its not country related. Its business related. Follow the money and it doesn't always lead to China. Hey, but this is just my opinion. An educated consumer is the best consumer regardless of where the stuff is made.
Some of those issues that you raise Tom aren't specifically matters of QC. Some are. However, pointing to domestic examples of bad behavior in order to justify and stymie comment on other bad behavior doesn't wash with me.
For a time, my daughter-in-law worked in the Chicago area for the FDA doing among other things, food inspections on imported goods. It was a toss up between China & India as to which goods didn't make their way into this country. Not only food, but medical goods that are implanted found their way into the reject, return to sender, dispose of it bin.
So when a US company outsources to China, all of the sudden QA is now only Chinese companies problem? Way to exploit bad PR images on the Chinese, instead of coming out and apologize about bad US QA.
Neither you, vitaminC, nor I are privy to the contracts that hammer out the responsibilities for QA & QC. I see no reason to exonerate them and being that we do an enormous trade with them, there's all the reason in the world to direct attention their way as well as the companies that source from them. The counterfeiting, violation of Trademark & Copyrights, outright adulteration of food and medicinal products is well known.
With respect to audio, it does seem to me that either the Chinese have gotten very good at Statistical Quality Control and are making audio products that manage to develop problems right around the time warranties expire or something else is going on vis a vis the various Denon & H/K posts I've been reading here and elsewhere. Further, consider the QC issues that AV123 has had and may continue to still have regarding substitution of capacitors for the ones called for in their products that were sourced from China. There's no ready way the consumer can tell.
I am not saying don't buy products made in China. I'm simply saying that given the capacitor picture, I'm not surprised where it came from just as if I come upon a phony $20 bill it wouldn't surprise me if it came from North Korea. I still think the Chinese have a ways to go with respect to quality. Now you'll all excuse me if I feed my dog some melamine laced food, brush my teeth with ethylene glycol based Colgate, watch as my granddaughter goes into a tizzy as she pops the AquaDots into her mouth as she chews on her favorite yellow toy. All as I field a sales call from a Sean O'Brien who strangely, has an Indian accent.