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post #241 of 1662
Bill got to see them both at CES and I asked him to take special note of the differences for me. Of course Ill have them both in a controlled optimal environment at the same time from the same distance on the same screen so Ill really be paying close attention to everything this weekend.

I have my nephew coming to help me take down the 15S1 and put up the 11S2 this weekend so David's new toy wont be shipped to him til this Monday which will give me time for critical A/B comparisons.

The Marantz/DLP look of the 15S1 is the main reason that I loved that 15S1 so much and preferred it to my HD1. I fully expect that impression/depth/3Dness to be similar on the 11S2.

Ill be ecstatic if the blacks on my 11S2 are as black, better, or close enough to the 15S1 with the ND2 on and that will be the first thing Ill be looking for. 8)

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post #242 of 1662
I think it is funny when someone says that it looks more "organic".

I really do want to see one of these puppies though.
post #243 of 1662
I asked Dan Miller what he meant by that, too. 8)

Real, lifelike, like Richard said. 8) Thats how I would describe the 15S1, too, though. 8) So they seem to be saying "more lifelike."

Todd, I have never gotten another bulb out of any mack cam warranty that I have purchased because I dont usually hang on to my PJs long enough. 8) millerwill has gotten a replacement lamp from them though and the process was quick and painless.
post #244 of 1662
Well by "organic" I mean the following.

In the animation world, the abillity to texture an object and light it in a way that makes it photorealistic means there is little to distinguish it from reality.

Often times HD to people is often described as "putting a glass pane in front of what I'm viewing, almost like real life".

What I am referring to is the fact that the VP11S2 creates a picutre so vibrant and lifelike that it's "organic" as in almost the same as if I were watching the event happen live.

Call it what you want, but it's one sweet picture.

I suppose if it's not organic you must be...





Richard
post #245 of 1662
Man the Terminator used to look so cool. Now it is kinda silly looking.

I thought organic was when they didn't inject the projector with any growth hormones and didn't use chemical fertilizers or pesticides when it was growing in the orchard er.. Factory.

I guess organic sounds beter than homogenized.

e.g. "The projectors looked almost equal except with this newer 11S2, the picture just seemed more homogenized which gave it more 3d pop."
post #246 of 1662
Cameron, Ill try to see if I can capture what "organic" looks like for you shortly. 8)

I am waiting for my UPS guy any time now.
post #247 of 1662
Cool. Congrats on the new machine BTW! I'm sure you won't be disappointed.
post #248 of 1662
Thanks! Very excited about it!

Thanks Jason. 8)
post #249 of 1662
A quick question @ Jason. Does running the 11S2 at 5x color wheel increase brighness compared to 6x ? I understand 5x is "default" setting for the 11S2 but I wasn't sure if you changed this when you measured the unit. I think the 11S1 only spins at 6x and I wondered what effect this would have on the 11S2 performance.

Cat - Maybe you could also add this to the list of things to checkout.

D
post #250 of 1662
Will do it, D. 8) If that is the case then it would be even brighter at 4x, so that would be nice. 8)
post #251 of 1662
Quote:


- The 11S2 sample Jason received is an extreme outlier. This means that only a very few units can match the level of performance Jason measured and that the perormance improvement of the mean will be significantly less. If this is the case, if you are considering the 11S2, you better grab Jason's sample ASAP.

I just noticed this in your post, ilsiu. I believe that the most of the improvement in CR from the expected 5300 in normal lamp of the 15S1 are to be expected based on the improvements .. DC4, color wheel, etc.

I doubt its an outlier, but those measurements were taken from MY 11S2. 8)
post #252 of 1662
I guess the next thing is that the VP11S2 will have to testify in front of Congress for HGH usage.

Okay back on track.

You shouldn't see an increase in brightness when using a lower speed on the 11S2 as it still goes through the same filter elements.

Richard
post #253 of 1662
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Originally Posted by AVSRichard View Post

I guess the next thing is that the VP11S2 will have to testify in front of Congress for HGH usage.

Okay back on track.

You shouldn't see an increase in brightness when using a lower speed on the 11S2 as it still goes through the same filter elements.

Richard

Apart from opertational noise are there any other benefits from reducing the spin speed ? I know a potential downside is increased risk of RBE with slower spin speeds.

D
post #254 of 1662
The only benefit is noise reduction. I think as good as the 15S1 does at 5x they probably wanted to have the option of the 11S2 being even more quiet for those who didnt derive any extra benefit at 5x 6x speed.

That is one of the features I am really curious about, too. 8)
post #255 of 1662
By the way Catdaddy67, I touched your unit. I wore a white glove though.



Richard
post #256 of 1662
Damn, its just like a mail order bride.

You just never really know if she was whored around before you got her. 8) Please just dont let there be any compromising pictures of the two of you float around on the internet.

I asked Jason to keep you and Marc away from it. 8(
post #257 of 1662
8)
post #258 of 1662
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Originally Posted by AVSRichard View Post

By the way Catdaddy67, I touched your unit. I wore a white glove though.



Richard

You guys might want to keep this part of the conversation private....
post #259 of 1662
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post #260 of 1662
Jason... I need to know...


When watching a 2:35 movie...


With a normal 1:78 Screen...


How black are the black bars...

Are they distracting in any regards?

If I purchase an 11S2 I will have no moeny for the Carada Masking system.
post #261 of 1662
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Originally Posted by Catdaddy67 View Post

Thanks! Very excited about it!

Thanks Jason. 8)

Welcome and thank YOU!

Actually the Marantz is 100% not organic...heck, you can't grow plastic!
post #262 of 1662
OK, its landed and I am going to take it upstairs. 8)

Impressions and initial review and comparisons to follow tonight. 8)
post #263 of 1662
At least not in a way that satisfies the requirements of the National Organic Standards Board of the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
post #264 of 1662
OK, just got it setup on HD-DVD via component .. and have HD-DVD on both the 15S1 and 11S2. (I have 2 HD-DVD copies .. I need to be selling one .. received another as a Xmas gift and also have a BD copy of it.)

First thing I did was fire it up and look at the CA. Its very good but Jason is right in that it is not NO CA, which disappoints me a little bit because I think my David's 15S1 has NO CA (but then again it was a CEDIA show projector.) Dopnt notice a thing outside of the remotes length but come on, but if I remember correctly I cant see anything unless I put my face right at the screen on my 15S1.

Ill compare these two patterns more closely later .. after I take my anamorphic lens down and throw up the whiote BD pattern. Its green right now on the 15S1 internal test pattern cause of about an inch or two too much height versus the screen.

It could be that the 11S2 is RIGHT at the throw limit its about a foot to foot and a half closer than the 15S1

I havent fired up the 15S1 yet, but I put in 300 and Transformers on the 11S2. 8) WOW!

Its BLACK. 8) Its freaking black. I wont be needing a ND2 filter. It looks awesome. Its BRIGHT too. Everything as advertised. 8)

Gonna get back to it will be back with more.
post #265 of 1662
OK very quick update on the CA thing .. before Dan Miller has a heart attack. 8) PJ is not aligned properly and is at absolute min throw. We aligned it better, though still not perfect, and it looks much better. Ill be taking pictures of the CA and everything else that I will post on here later.

Good thing too because I didnt want to have to replace it, and go through that pain, but how could I keep it if it wasnt at least as good as my old 15S1. Looks like it is. 8)
post #266 of 1662
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Originally Posted by AVSRichard View Post

By the way Catdaddy67, I touched your unit. I wore a white glove though.



Richard

You touched his unit?????? I don't know that I would have admitted that publically. Sorry I couldn't resist.
post #267 of 1662
So 12k:1? Damn...so now I have another pj to seriously consider.

I hate this hobby. heh

Keep up the impressions mike/catdaddy.
post #268 of 1662
What was the minimum throw you used and the size of the screen ?

if you realign are you also going to move the unit back a few feet to see any loss of brightness ?

i will be trying to keep the throw at a minimum to keep a fan in place and not have to move it back.

No rush for an answer, you opinion on the unit is more important.

Greg
post #269 of 1662
You can post some screenshots when you get a chance. Just remember rule #1!!!!
post #270 of 1662
When I was testing his 11S2, I tried with 4 different probes (AEMC 813, Progressive Labs CA6X, Progressive Labs C-5 and Minolta CL200) and the lowest I could get was still over 10000:1. I ended up relying on the C-5 as that is the best of the bunch.
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