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post #391 of 1662
2/14/08 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

I will correct you...

First off the RS1 is brighter. So the peak White level should be higher.


Millerwill, if you have the throw distance for the Marantz and the means ($$$). Then this is a projector that you could live with for 5+ years.

I am probably way more picky about things then probably even Catdaddy and 99% of the people on this forum (AKA OCD). And this is the first projector "EVER" that I can see no flaws with. Except Throw distance and the previously mentioned $$$.
But even if it were cheaper you wouldn't have hand picked lenses/dmd/6X color wheel/etc.

I mentioned this before but the Marantz is in a different class all together then the RS1/2.

Marantz was nice enough to bring it down to a price level were a small number of us looking for close to perfection can now somehow obtain it.

I have been saving now for about 5 months for a high-end DLP, I was only looking to spend $5000.00 max. But at the Time the Marantz VP-15S1/ Sim2 D80 had me thinking possiblay $7000.

But I was leterally causing myself to go crazy about what to buy, as every projector $7000.00 and under all have their flaws. Benq W10000 (Color space issues/Black level/throw) Sharp 20K (noise/rbe/throw) Marantz VP-15S1 (Price/black level) Sim2 D80 (Ugly/no centered lens/looks cheap)

There are alot more but just to name a few...

Then the "Halo" Marantz VP-11S2 came out...

Amazing Blacks
6X Color Wheel (I'm sensitive to RBE - So this put me over the edge.)
Hand Picked Optics
DarkChip 4
Quiet (compaired to the Sharp xv-z20000 - I hope - JASON???)
Bright
Looks beautiful
Shorter throw
HDMI 1.3 (yeah I know may never come about)

And these are just the benifits over the other DLP'S

My list of advantages over the LCD/LCOS market would be way larger.

I may have missed it but I'm guessing you got to check out the 11S2 with the Rs1/Rs2 and other units, correct?
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post #392 of 1662
2/14/08 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by rlindo View Post

I may have missed it but I'm guessing you got to check out the 11S2 with the Rs1/Rs2 and other units, correct?

It will be intersting to see the RS1/RS2 side by side with the 11S2. We did a side by side with an HD1 and 11s1 a couple of weeks ago. I've also had the Sim2 HT380 side by side with my HD1.

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post #393 of 1662
2/14/08 at 3:21pm
dazzer,

are you the AVI from avforums.com?

About the side by sides...I do not want to hijack this thread so would it be possible if you PM'ed me what your opinions were of those?

Thanks
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post #394 of 1662
2/14/08 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by rlindo View Post

dazzer,

are you the AVI from avforums.com?

Rob

Yes

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post #395 of 1662
2/14/08 at 6:30pm
SOWK-

You commented that that the SIM2 D80E having an off center lens was a negative (though I can't imagine why). The lens on the Marantz is not on center either, but slightly off center to one side.

The D80E may "look cheap" but its what's inside that counts. I prefer "dumpy looking" to downright "ugly."
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post #396 of 1662
2/14/08 at 6:37pm
Off center lens makes it more difficult to ceiling mount perfect with the screen, thats about it.

Plus being totally to one side make me move the projector way off to one side if shelf mounted.

OCD kicking in, I like every thing as symmetrical possible.

I think the D80E would have been a good choice for me, but for a little more I can get the Marantz VP-11S2 with its 6 times color wheel, witch is the most important to me.

But with a 5X color wheel on the D80E, I probably would have gone with the Sharp xv-z20000. for less money/lumens.

But at the time I was only planning to go to 100" Dig. max.
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post #397 of 1662
2/14/08 at 6:50pm
Both are quite good, but ultimately everyone has different needs/wants. Eventually we all have to make a decision and not look back!
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post #398 of 1662
2/14/08 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by Jason Turk View Post

and not look back!

If it worked like that we'd all be out of a job.

Once this is in your blood you can't get rid of it.

The important thing is to keep your real priorities straight and HAVE FUN!
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post #399 of 1662
2/14/08 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by Robert Whitehead View Post

I prefer "dumpy looking" to downright "ugly."

Hey Bob,
Have you thought of starting your own line of greeting cards? This has Valentines Day written all over it.
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post #400 of 1662
2/14/08 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by Dan Miller View Post

If it worked like that we'd all be out of a job.

Once this is in your blood you can't get rid of it.

The important thing is to keep your real priorities straight and HAVE FUN!

I blame you then for making such a killer unit ie. 11S2. You are going to stop my customers from having to return in a couple years!
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post #401 of 1662
2/14/08 at 7:42pm
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Originally Posted by Jason Turk View Post

I blame you then for making such a killer unit ie. 11S2. You are going to stop my customers from having to return in a couple years!

Jason, not true as there will be an 11S3, 11S4, 10S1, and counteless other upgrades along the way...
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post #402 of 1662
2/14/08 at 9:02pm
No I know...but I do have to say this unit is probably one of the first that really "could" tie someone over for a while.
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post #403 of 1662
2/14/08 at 9:03pm
As much as I need blacks/CR, Rob, just remember that I easily preferred the image on the 15S1 that I had to the HD1 that I had. Its not all about what these projectors measure at that determines how good they actually look.

If you just look at measurements you would think that the 15S1 presented an inferior picture and that the 11S2 puts out a comparable one to the RS1 and ou would be mistaken on both counts.

The HD1 is an awesome projector that I loved but I felt that the 15S1 put out a very engaging image even in low APL scenes where it would have been at a disadvantage with the HD1 but presented a much nicer more 3D image in high APL scenes.

Of course, the 11S2 doesnt suffer from any deficiencies in any regard. Its blacks are as black as any I have seen on any of my screens and its picture is crisp and perfect in any scene. 8)

When I got my 15S1 even though I preferred its image to the HD1 I admitted longing for the HD1s CR/simultaneous brightness and blacks with the 11S2 there is no longing for anything except more time with it. 8)

I havent seen the RS2 and may ask Jason to send me a unit for comparisons sake but based on how I felt about the HD1 and 15S1 I was never really considering replacing my 15S1 with the RS2. Just something about that Marantz look. Crisp.

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No I know...but I do have to say this unit is probably one of the first that really "could" tie someone over for a while.

Ill have to agree with Jason on this one. When I turned it on, without even seeing any movies yet, and saw the blacks .. I got so excited because I knew it would look like the 15S1 and have those blacks at the same time. 8)
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post #404 of 1662
2/14/08 at 9:05pm
I honestly think of what I know about you Catdaddy...you'd not like the RS2 as compared to the 11S2 (otherwise I would have sent you the RS2 instead).
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post #405 of 1662
2/14/08 at 9:07pm
Even the black/blank screens between company logos, disclosures, and the movies arent lacking ... theyre BLACK. Thats how you know youve arrived in absolute black level. 8) And you know if that looks good .. its all downhill when you factor in high ANSI/CR, handpicked optics, and Marantz quality. 8)

Thanks Jason .. I would have liked to compared the RS2 to the 15S1 but as much as I liked the Marantz/DLP look I dont believe there is any way anything else right now can compare to my 11S2. 8)

The only people I can see complaining about my setup would be Bob, Tom, and Scott .. and that would be because of lack of absolute color accuracy. Even that could be cured with one ofthe cheaper lumages, with the accurate color decoding in the 11S2.

I think everyone else would have their mouths open at how amazing this picture looks. There is no lack of black level. No lack of 3D punch. No lack of brightness.

Only lack of time. 8)
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post #406 of 1662
2/14/08 at 9:08pm
Indeed.
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post #407 of 1662
2/15/08 at 5:10am
First Projector ever to get my STAMP of Approval.

BAM...

SOWK (stamp)


First Non-CRT TV to get my STAMP of Approval.

Pionner KURO ELITE 50"

BAM...

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post #408 of 1662
2/15/08 at 5:12am
hey Dan... I sent you an e-mail if you had a Product Detail PDF file? Do you?
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post #409 of 1662
2/15/08 at 5:59am
Still being written. Sorry. I was waiting for it to be finished before I sent it.
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post #410 of 1662
2/15/08 at 6:06am
The VP-11S2 is finally on Marantz's web site.
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post #411 of 1662
2/15/08 at 6:17am
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Originally Posted by Robert Whitehead View Post

The VP-11S2 is finally on Marantz's web site.


It's been there for a while see post #238(well at least a week).

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post #412 of 1662
2/15/08 at 6:49am
Daz,

You have one en route to you already? 8)
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post #413 of 1662
2/15/08 at 8:54am
No I know...but I do have to say this unit is probably one of the first that really "could" tie someone over for a while.
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Jason,

You have tested and calibrated a lot of PJ's but what about Projectiondesign machines - they are just in the process of shipping the M25 - it's possible that this may give both the 11s2 and JVC RS2 a bit of competition. I have the old model 2 720p machine and to be honest it produces great pictures, probably giving some of the newer 1080p machines a run for their money.
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post #414 of 1662
2/15/08 at 9:25am
To be fair, I don't really get to play with Projection Design. But of the ones I have tested in the past, I was not particularly impressed (again, those are past units so I can't speak for current offerings).
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post #415 of 1662
2/15/08 at 9:32am
Might be worth seeing if you could get hold of the M25 - it would be interesting to see what you think and how it compares to some of the competitors - not sure how popular these PJ's are in the states, they seem to be less well known in the UK as well - the great thing about the Model 2 , 20, 25 is their size - they are small and less obtrusive when hung from the celing.
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post #416 of 1662
2/15/08 at 10:12am
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Originally Posted by mwomwell View Post

No I know...but I do have to say this unit is probably one of the first that - they are just in the process of shipping the M25 - it's possible that this may give both the 11s2 and JVC RS2 a bit of competition. I have the old model 2 720p machine and to be honest it produces great pictures, probably giving some of the newer 1080p machines a run for their money.


PD produce some nice machines. I was interested in the M25 but it will not work in my install due to the lack of lens shift.

D
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post #417 of 1662
2/15/08 at 11:38am
Anyone who wants to send me one I am open to it!
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post #418 of 1662
2/15/08 at 2:41pm
Mounting Question for all of you smart people from one dumb person.

I'm debating whether to use a 120" wide screen as THX recommends in my movie room or a 107" (the 120" just seems huge).

I'm also trying to decide between 16x9 or 2.35. How do I choose? If I don't want to spring for an anamorphic lens, does that force me into the 16x9 option?

Assuming I go with 16x9 and 120", my VP-11S2 owner's manual says the mount is a minimum of 14.5' or a maximum of 21' from the screen. Would splitting the difference provide the optimal position?

The owner's manual has no 2.35 choice in the throw distance table, so if I choose 2.35, how would I best calculate mounting position?
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post #419 of 1662
2/15/08 at 3:19pm
VT Skier: I've yet to hear anyone on the Forum complain that they got a screen that was too large, but I've heard many comment that they wish they had gotten one larger.
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post #420 of 1662
2/15/08 at 4:12pm
VT Skier - There can be a lot of reasons for a screen being too big. But, between those two sizes most people would enjoy the larger size unless sitting VERY close. The disadvantages of a larger screen can be a tradeoff of audio or video performance.

It can hurt audio if the screen is so large your L/R speakers placement is forced too close to corners or the center speaker has to rest on the floor or be placed near the ceiling. This can often be solved by placing speakers behind the screen with an acoustically transparent screen.

Video can suffer if the projector doesn't have enough light output for a given screen size and material. Most acoustically transparent screens do not come in higher gain materials. Use of higher gain screens have their own tradeoffs, like off axis viewing and hot spotting.

If you do not want and anamorphic lens, 16:9 is your choice!

In general the closer you place the projector to the screen the brighter the picture would be. The further back you place the projector the better the contrast would be. This is a function of how a zoom lens works. Marantz uses a good quality lens and the differences aren't as big as the less expensive projectors. I'd mount it where it will work for the room aesthetically.

When mounting make sure the center of your lens is centered on center of the screen horizontally. This PJs lens shift has huge flexibility in height placement. In the ideal world you would want this PJ with the lens centered on the screen vertically as well but again good optics make the differences between various position of the lens shift really a moot point. Again, I'd mount it where it will work for the room aesthetically as long as the lens is centered horizontally.

Hope This helps.

Bob
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