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post #13171 of 13494
Hit and Run loaded and played without issue.
post #13172 of 13494
Unless he thinks all flavors of DTS are HD wink.gif

Are there any HD-DVDs with DTS MA? I dont think any of my ~110 HDDVD are.
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oops, wrong thread
post #13174 of 13494
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Originally Posted by ITALIAN926 View Post

Unless he thinks all flavors of DTS are HD wink.gif

Are there any HD-DVDs with DTS MA? I dont think any of my ~110 HDDVD are.

There are only a couple that I am aware of and none that are domestic. The HD-DVD database has a summary that says one is DTS HD-MA, however which one is not obvious. They do list UFO Showtime so my guess is it is that one. I will have to get mine out to verify, but as I recall it is. Also a couple of the Terminator 2 imports I own have DTS-HD MA and can't be played on the 5K with out lots of dropouts since you can't force it to 24fps. If I remember right my steel box is still sealed and I tried the UK which I bought used. I only purchased those since I am a Terminator 2 HD version completionist. I even have several of the DVD versions, but only the ones that contain a DTS soundtrack and one or two that don't. I don't have all the released versions by a long shot. I do own the D-VHS/DTheater with DTS and is is a very good transfer and sounds great.

Anyhow I think there are a few more imports that include a DTS lossless track, but I haven't ran into them.

Also I just read a review on HighDefDigest that suggests that the German Steel Book is only DTS-HD HR, so maybe it is only the French and single disc UK version, T2, which I own that has it?

If I were to actually watch the movie I would probably view the latest BD release or the DVHS before I watched it on any other format. I own both of the US BD releases and have not watched or opened either of them.
post #13175 of 13494
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Originally Posted by mr.kludge View Post

I assume you are referring to the BD not the HD since the HD only has DD+ and DTS?
HD DVD player says DTS-HD when you push the info button.
post #13176 of 13494
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

HD DVD player says DTS-HD when you push the info button.

Probably does as there are multiple flavors of DTS-HD. HR is the "high resolution" as in above 1.5mbps stream and MA is "master audio" or lossless. I think that all the more than 5.1 DTS streams are considered HD as well? In the case of U-571 HD that would be strange since all the info I have says that it is plain old DTS 5.1. Are you using the HD or the BD? Is it an import? I'm not near my collection, so I will have to check that out later. I did notice the other day that my 5K was reporting DTS-HD when I had some DTS only discs in it, mostly when they were more than 5.1 channels. I wonder if that is another bug? My receiver was also reporting that it was getting a stream of a single back surround despite the info saying only 3/2/.1. The indicator showed the channel, lit my blue HD light and player reported DTS-HD. I think this was Top Gun if I remember right.

I will try U-571 when I get home, if it is open and let you know.
post #13177 of 13494
Just tried my u-571, the receiver just says DTS 5.1 , not DST MA
post #13178 of 13494
Push info button DTS-HD not MA is what mine says
post #13179 of 13494
Oh, BTW there are several HDs that have DTS-HD HR. The database lists 12 and they are all music concerts except for Natures Journey, Sky Captain, The Untouchables and Pan's Labyrinth. I own them all except for Uncommon Bach and possibly Natures Journey, but I sort of remember buying that one. The database is likely and often is inaccurate.

I highly recommend owning the UFO:Showtime HD as it has still to this day the largest variety of audio codecs of any shiny disc released. There are some bugs playing it on the 5K, but at least you can play it on 1.6 as it was one of the discs I got fixed when I was working with Sammy to get 1.6 released.

The more common lossless audio on HDs is of course DDTHD since it was the required lossless track standard for that format and mandated on all players. I don't recall, but I think at some point at least that lossless codec was also required to be on all the the movies released past a certain date. I might be getting that confused with DD+ which afaIK WAS required? The database lists 103 DDTHD titles. Still that's less than 1/4 of all the HDs released in the states as over 80% were DD+.
post #13180 of 13494
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Originally Posted by ITALIAN926 View Post

Just tried my u-571, the receiver just says DTS 5.1 , not DST MA

That's what it should report. What is the player telling you?
post #13181 of 13494
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Push info button DTS-HD not MA is what mine says

This could be a bug introduced in 1.6 that we have not found before? Odd.
post #13182 of 13494
decodes as regular dts by Denon AVR-3312CI; so, that's probably all it is...
post #13183 of 13494
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

decodes as regular dts by Denon AVR-3312CI; so, that's probably all it is...

Does your HD audio blue light come on also, or is that not on those new fangled Denon's. Mine is a 1909 and has the light. If nothing else and it did it would be a psychosomatic placebo that would make the audio seem to sound better.

Mine did come on for Top Gun, but looking at the listed codecs again it is DTS-ES matrixed 6.1, so that would explain that and the extra single surround back channel. Not sure why my AVR did not list the channel on the status menu, it did on the front diagrams of in and out channels.
post #13184 of 13494
no Blue light on my Denon, sorry to say, have one on a mothballed Sony...Top Gun gives me 6.1 for Dolby Digital Plus (default), 6.1 for Dolby TrueHD, and 6.1 discrete for DTS but, when I hit the Audio Button (NOT INFO, as I said before) it shows 3/5 ENG DTS-HD 7CH
post #13185 of 13494
Ok, I did some messing around tonight. I don't know if this is a bug or just a definition. I Tried U-571 and the info screen (accessed with the info button on the remote) just says ENG 5.1 audio. The audio button reveals DTS-HD 5.1. I also tried Tomb Raider which is Paramount and it also does the same thing as well as Chronicles of Redick which is also Universal like U-571. My AVR does not light up the HD light and reports regular DTS. I thought that this might just be mis-coding on the discs and it might be, but I didn't delve more into other studio titles that have DTS since most if not all are all Universal and Paramount, except for the concert ones. I will have to dive into my collection further and see if any of those have plan old DTS on them.

I also rechecked Top Gun and I only get the blue HD light on my AVR with DD+ and DDTHD on that one. The 5K reports DTS-HD 7 Ch for the DTS track on that one and the AVR shows DTS matrixed.

Lots of haze on my copy of Tomb Raider and also Chronicles...so that issue does not seem to be universal to WB titles, seems to be more related to the composition and manufacture of the cases and possibly the discs themselves. Despite this they played just fine. I also noticed haze over the entire surface of U-571, but it also loaded and played without issues, at least the little I did play it.

I also popped in UFO:Showtime and verified that it in fact has DTS-HD MA on it. Also remembered that the disc is mislabeled. The 2.0 and 5.1 flavors of DD are in fact DD+ and not just regular DD as stated on the back cover. This is the only disc either HD or BD that I am aware of that has DD+, DDTHD and DTS-HD MA all on the same disc. It does not have LPCM however.

Now for the really weird thing. I looked at my open UK copy of T2 and it says clearly DTS-HD High Resolution on the back cover and that is the only audio option, both English and French. However when you play it it is actually DTS-HD MA and my AVR reported DTS-HD Master on the front panel and on the stream info. That's not the weird thing though. When I played it I got none of the audio drops that I got when I tried to play it before. I sampled a good part of the disc at high action and gunshot scenes and I could not get it to drop. Still stuck on 60fps and I even turned it on and off a couple times to make sure it was not one of those things that are fixed by playing a certain disc before it. What it could have been was playing another certain disc before it when I had the problems before? Who knows, I thought I had seen everything from this player, but it even now surprises me. I also had no audio drops with UFO:Showtime and have not had before. The bug with that dis is that there are annoying subtitles from the in-picture commentary that come up during the 1st chapter and go away after the first song and chapter. I don't recall my LG or my A35 doing this as I used to have to play this disc with one of those other players.

Ok, that is my report and record of these issues so now I am going to finally get back to TV watching and cleaning out the DVR.

So the moral of this story is to ignore what the 5K Audio button and screen reveals as far as DTS being DTS-HD. I can only guess is that since DTS audio on most if not all HDs is probably at a higher than typical DTS bitrate that they consider it HD? That would be the "definition" theory I have or it could just be an outright mistake on either the discs or in the 5K. I would have to get out the A35 or try in the LG to verify.

Oh, BTW - I tried a DVD with DTS (T2 of course) the ES variety and the player reports just DTS audio, not DTS-HD but I don't recall the number of channels that it reported. I think it was 5.1 since ES is matrixed.
post #13186 of 13494
Did I put everyone to sleep with my long post? ;-)
post #13187 of 13494
pretty sure the XA2 reports it as just dts; both U-571 and Top Gun, will check...
post #13188 of 13494
yes, just dts, but the Denon AVR-3312CI decodes the dts signal as 6.1 DISCRETE and the 2 Dolby signals as 6.1 MATRIX...with both the Samsung and Toshiba...will try the A30...
post #13189 of 13494
Toshiba HD-A30 sez dts, Dolby digital + & TrueHD, decodes as 5.1, TrueHD decodes as DD Plus
post #13190 of 13494
That is on my 2d setup Denon AVR-3311CI
post #13191 of 13494
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

yes, just dts, but the Denon AVR-3312CI decodes the dts signal as 6.1 DISCRETE and the 2 Dolby signals as 6.1 MATRIX...with both the Samsung and Toshiba...will try the A30...

Huh? I hope that is with Top Gun and not U-571 as it is only 5.1?
post #13192 of 13494
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

yes, just dts, but the Denon AVR-3312CI decodes the dts signal as 6.1 DISCRETE and the 2 Dolby signals as 6.1 MATRIX...with both the Samsung and Toshiba...will try the A30...

The DTS Discrete sounds normal for Top Gun since it is a 7 Ch. source. I think technically the player should be reporting DTS-HD, but who knows. I thought anything above 5.1 1.5mbps DTS was considered HD? And I sorta remember DTS-HD HR as just being a fancy name for DTS ES on the extreme low end of the DTD-HD spectrum? On Top Gun for DDTHD that is also a 7 Ch. source so it should be doing discrete as well, unless something in the chain lacks that capability? With all of these older devices HD audio, both lossy and lossless was so new I don't think they knew what is all is or what to name it? I will have to try my project player with 1.4 one of these days and see if it reports DTS HDs as DTS-HD as well. Also I need to check some DTS-HD HR and plain DTS BDs if I can find them in my collection and see what the 5K says about them. I think those are pretty rare as I usually run into discs that have just DD if they don't have a MA or THD soundtrack on them. Sometimes dolby and LPCM is a combo also.
post #13193 of 13494
Yes only tried Top Gun on HD-XA2/3312...
& now on the A30/3311 don't think A30 can pass TrueHD; think it passes Dolby & dts Core Only.
post #13194 of 13494
According to the blu-ray statistics page I do actually own some DTS only BDs. The vast majority of those listed I own on HD so I don't have the BD. Those were all those old original releases that came out on both formats years ago with very similar capabilities. Looks like I own; King Of California, Lord of War (6.1), T2 and Uncle Buck (2.0) but I don't think my King.. and T2 are open at this point and those 2 are the ones listed as having normal 5.1 DTS soundtracks.
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Yes only tried Top Gun on HD-XA2/3312...
& now on the A30/3311 don't think A30 can pass TrueHD; think it passes Dolby & dts Core Only.
Yes, it probably lacks internal decode of the lossless codecs and if I remember right lacks bitstream capability? Thanks for the clarification. Maybe Top Gun DDTHD 7 ch. is not discrete on the back channel? It is a very old disc.
post #13196 of 13494
Both the XA2 & Samsung decode on 3312 as dts 6.1 discrete;
A30 is set to Bitstream & Auto; still won't pass lossless; I'd be hardpressed to tell the differ.
post #13197 of 13494
Tucker and Dale vs. Evil loaded and played but was a beat up rental and had lots of marks on it. I had to clean it and play some scenes in my Yammy which read through the problems areas, though reluctantly.

Taken 2 is yet another victim of the recent Fox issue with the difference that you can't hit stop then menu to get it to play. It will load up but as soon as you select a version and play it will get stuck either on a zeroed counter and stuck progress bar or with a blank screen and load on the menu with theatrical or unrated respectively.

I have reported both Red Dawn remake and Taken 2 to Samsung via. E-mail. I won't bother to call them again for a while. I already called them a couple times back in November when this issue started. One of these days I need to call and get status on my open tickets, some that I initiated over 2 years ago.
post #13198 of 13494
Has anyone tried The Life of Pi yet? I am curious if it is busted also. The only other recent Fox release that I am even slightly interested in is Hitchcock. I'm going to assume that all new release Fox titles are going to be broke and that catalog titles will be ok? So in case you were worried about Porky's...
post #13199 of 13494
Mr. K,

Haven't used the machine in a while, but thought I would give it a try. The menu trick works on Life of Pi, but once the movie starts the pixelization was terrible. Put on a few others and they seemed to play fine.

Rick
post #13200 of 13494
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Originally Posted by bytown rick View Post

Mr. K,

Haven't used the machine in a while, but thought I would give it a try. The menu trick works on Life of Pi, but once the movie starts the pixelization was terrible. Put on a few others and they seemed to play fine.

Rick

Thanks for checking that out, it's exactly what I feared. I am so glad that I have my Yammy and access to an older Pioneer for newer movies. Seems the 5K is now only good for my vast HD and BD collection and quickly becoming useless for new movies. I will go ahead and report the issue to Sammy. I will eventually buy the movie, but not planning on renting it anytime soon since I saw it in the theater.
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