BD-UP5000 Universal Player Samsung [OFFICIAL OWNERS THREAD] & FAQ - Page 59

Greetings!
Just played Pirates AWE, and the menu seemed fine to me. Others have reported problems with the skull animation, and menu so small it was unreadable. Seemes fine on my setup, 5K via HDMI to Denon 3808ci via HDMI to Samsung HL-S6187W.....
My HDMI cables Monster M1000's, are HDMI v1.3 compliant. Could this be the difference?
Best,
James

You'll probably get noise from the test signal via S/PDIF or HDMI, but if I remember correctly, it's only in the front two channels.

Unfortunately, my receiver does not have settings to tune the gain of the inputs like the top models do....... So, I will stick to the optical output....

I wonder if there is a noticeable difference between regular DD 5.1 and regular DTS (which sound fantastic to my ears) and the new formats. I know that in theory the new one sound better.....

Bitstream (reencode) converts all audio track to DTS. Your receiver would need the ability to decode DTS. If so, it's probably your best choice using S/PDIF out of the 5000.

Note: for SD DVDs, Bitstream (reencode) is equivalent Bitstream (audiophile):

Output follows the audio track type (DD 5.1, DTS or 2-ch PCM).

This is interesting. You mentioned "low" and "high," but did you try the "off" position? I'm curious how this would effect you're observations.

Thanks,

Larry

This is exactly the problem I am having. So I definitely need to turn the sharpness down or off? Anything else I can try? I've been out today, haven't had a chance to try anything yet.

Where did you see this informaiton? I'm not clear why this would be the case -- i.e. why wouldn't Bitstream (audiophile) just output the DD or DTS tracks at their native bitrates, or conversely, why wouldn't Bitstream (re-encode) re-encode to 1.5 Mb DTS?

Thanks,

Larry

That's the really interesting part of this situation. The B chain (i.e. the amps and speakers) have VASTLY more effect on the end result than the new formats do, and in the listening tests I've read about, DTS at higher bitrates was found to be indistinguishable from the master. This, therefore, begs the question of how much "real world" difference the new advanced audio really makes over the best examples of the previous paradigm. Nothing against anyone here, but there are just way too many examples of people being influenced by what they "think" they should be hearing to fully trust non-blind comparisons. I'd be curious to hear about some truly blind tests in this regard.

That said, I'm 100% for loss-less audio, and I know that it can potentially make some degree of difference. At the same time, however, I try to be realistic about how much actual difference the new paradigm has over the previous one. I've admittedly done no comparisons, and I still want to upgrade to a system that handles the new formats, but I'm not as concerned about this as I am about the general playability issues of the 5000.

Larry

Lalittle I completely agree with you.

One more thing to consider and it is often forgotten is the quality of the audio track. If it sounds excellent in DD5.1 or TDS, it will sound as good if not better in the new formats, even if we can not tell the difference in a blind test.
On the other hand if the recording quality of the audio track is bad and poorly mixed, no matter what audio format you are listening, the results are going to be lame.

I just bought the LG BH200 and have learned that it does not play DolbyTrueHD or DTS-HD MA currently and who knows when a firmware update will be available. Furthermore, I also learned it does not do 24fps either.

I am now considering this player instead. From what I read on some earlier posts, it DOES do Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD, right? I also believe it does 24fps as well.

I really don't want to go to 2 players, if I can avoid it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

CVC, the 5000 does 24fps.

However, it suffers with the same issue that the LG dual player in the audio department (True DD and DTS HD....).

We are expecting a new firmware sometime this month.

I have the same idea, based on the fact that the Dutch release of this player has been delayed from january 10th to january 18th. Someone stated that CSR has told him that there would be a firmware update shortly following the holidays.

Pieter

I turned it off at first, but noticed the PQ wasn't as good (not as 'sharp' pardon the pun). When I set it to low the PQ returned to what it was when set to high (I was using Harry Potter/Phoenix) to check PQ, since that movie had no 'grain' issues & looked terrific with sharpness at high or low. Bourne Identity had the severe backgound grain that drove me nuts when set to high, but was much improved when set to low.

Also - I have never seen moving dots at any setting.

I, like DTC, couldn't get the 5000 to recognize my network automatically,so I just set DHCP to off & then entered the IP, gateway, DNS, etc manually that was in my router. After I did that, I reset the DHCP to on & DNS to auto & it connected immediately when I did a firmware check.

Doesn't really sound like the 5000 will remain a niche product for long:
"The firm expects dual players to reach the price of standalone Blu-ray players in 2009, and projects that players capable of using either format will account for 66 percent of unit sales by 2012."
http://arstechnica.com/journals/hard...market-by-2012

I've got mine now so I can enjoy dual format for the next 4 years!!

Only 2 channel TrueHD and no DTS-HD

Check out the FAQ
http://bd-up5000.wikidot.com/audio

I'll be joining the ownership ranks on Friday when my unit is delivered. I have a question about firmware updating procedures. I do not have a wireless network, but a wired one. The wiring does not go to where my TV is and where I will keep the 5000. Can I just disconnect the 5000 and take it to another room and hook it into the network and then apply a firmware update or does the 5000 also have to be attached to the TV for on-screen display or the like?

I think Samsung makes the f/w available for download as an ISO that you can burn to CD and simply insert in the player for the upgrade.

otherwise what you describe will work also but unless you memorize the key sequences, you will likely need to connect some sort of display ...

Should I return my LG BH200 and get the Sammy Dual player instead? It seems to me that the Sammy is better, but I'm still new to this whole format war and am unsure.

As it stands right now it really depends on what's most important. If possible I'd return the LG and hold off on any player until word on firmware comes down from Samsung.

Just got off the phone with supposedly level 3 tech support at Samsung. I was assured by the person that answered, that there will be a firmware update to address the advance audio issues. It will be available the last week of January. I did not ask about video issues, as my unit has performed flawlessly on the video side. So, take for what it's worth. I haven't decided wether I'm keeping mine. I have until the third week of January to send mine back. If the advance audio issue can be corrected by then, I will for sure keep it. If not, I may send it back and just reorder another one and hope the replacement does not have video issues.

Interesting news and also interesting the 3rd week of January is just outside most of the early buyers return windows. My ship/invoice date from BBFB is 12/19.

Yeah, you'd think that is the date they are gunning for - rather than a week later. Otherwise there's gonna be a ton of ticked retailers.

That news is good enough for me to cool my jets for another week or so. I've had the BD30/A35 in my shopping cart on Amazon for a few days now.

My 5000 from Circuit City arrived at my local FedEx depot on Monday, but they've been holding it hostage since it wasn't due for delivery until tomorrow. They finally unloaded it today, so I was able to go and pick it up. I'll hook it up to my Onkyo 805 receiver and Samsung 5271 TV tonight and see how it goes.

Perhaps you should try sharpness off and increase the sharpness setting on your TV? If the 5000's sharpness algorithm is causing strange artifacts, it might be better to leave it to your TV.

Agreed. Assuming that the TV is properly calibrated, I don't think there's any reason that I'd want to use the player's sharpness settings.

. . . and a ton of "open box special" vultures (like me) waiting in the wings to scoop them up.

I had mine set on Low, and just set it to Off, and I have to say I prefer off over having the player add sharpness.

Background detail in particular is much better. Chapter 52 for example of Spider-Man 2 BD, and the tiled walls.

This is on my Samsung 23" @1080i.