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post #31 of 13494
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Originally Posted by SileasResearch View Post

Ok people... Given my trip to drop off the wife today at LAX, then to hit the Best Buy where I found this thing, it is quite fiting that, yes....

with DTS-MA, on Die Hard, I hear all channels going out the analog outputs, confirmed as John McClaine's plane lands at LAX.

DTS-MA, check.

Wow, that is big news, very nice!

I'd like to know about stopping and restarting both bluray and hddvds. Does it restart from where you last pressed stop?

Thanks for all the great info
post #32 of 13494
Not to bombard you with additional requests, but any chance you could put in a TrueHD disc real quick just to see if it does more than 2 channels. Thanks for all the info you've provided us with so far. It is greatly appreciated.
post #33 of 13494
Next up, The Fifth Element, for uncompressed and TrueHD checks.... Bruce is in the house tonight...

The Fifth Element default is TrueHD, but I'm checking uncompressed first. Funny, the "PG-13" screen is 1080p60, so everything switched over, then back to 24p.

Ok, uncompressed on the analog outputs (all 5,1 channels for this film)... check

Next, TrueHD....

bizzzzzt... Thanks for playing, but sorry folks, two channel only on the TrueHD analog audio outputs. The ugly rumors are true. This baby needs new firmware.

TrueHD on the analog outputs, more than 2 channels, - nope!
post #34 of 13494
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Originally Posted by Nomb View Post

Wow, that is big news, very nice!

I'd like to know about stopping and restarting both bluray and hddvds. Does it restart from where you last pressed stop?

Thanks for all the great info

Bluray, stop, then play (no power off), yup - restarts right away.

Neato... Bluray, poweroff, then poweron, wait for microwave mac & cheese to cook, and it goes right back to where it was and keeps playing.... "Aziz! Light!"
post #35 of 13494
have any movies with TrueHD? Awesome news about MA, just don't own any MA discs

damn i took too long to post lol
post #36 of 13494
Sileas are do you have an HDMI reciever in order to test these findings (DTS-MA & TrueHD) over HDMI - here's to hoping that it'll work via HDMI.

Oh, boy. I bet he wishes he had kept the news of his new toy to himself!!
post #37 of 13494
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Originally Posted by SileasResearch View Post


Next, TrueHD....

bizzzzzt... Thanks for playing, but sorry folks, two channel only on the TrueHD analog audio outputs. The ugly rumors are true. This baby needs new firmware.

TrueHD on the analog outputs, more than 2 channels, - nope!


SONOFABITCH!!!
post #38 of 13494
Hmm, DTS-MA and no TrueHD multi. Interesting .. this really favors Blu-ray since there seem to be far more Blu-Ray titles with DTS-MA than HD-DVD. Also, ditto for uncompressed PCM.
Let's hope the TrueHD multi is firmware upgradable and not some sort of weird hardware limitation. Looking forward to a statement from Samsung. The reviewers will be merciless with this limitation, although, the DTS-MA helps somewhat...
post #39 of 13494
Ok, next up, some HD-DVD... 12Monkeys.. (told you, Bruce is in the house)

First, the good - insert to picture, around 40 seconds. this is faster than Bluray.

Uh,oh.... the universal logo that first hits the screen had serious motorboating and distortion issues. Samsung guys, we have a problem. Let's try that one again, shall we?

Mmm... this time it is clean... maybe this was a codec issue when switching from bluray to HD. I powered off and brought it back up. Clean this time. Later I will try to reproduce this, but I bet a power cycle will clear it every time.

uh-oh... just started the movie, and the Dolby Digital Plus track is motorboating and crackling. Somebody call Ray Dolby. We have a licensing violation here.

Chaptering forward and back and ff/rr eventually clears it. Will have to check with another disc to see if it is only this disc.
post #40 of 13494
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Originally Posted by SileasResearch View Post

Ok people... Given my trip to drop off the wife today at LAX, then to hit the Best Buy where I found this thing, it is quite fiting that, yes....

with DTS-MA, on Die Hard, I hear all channels going out the analog outputs, confirmed as John McClaine's plane lands at LAX.

DTS-MA, check.


Out of curiosity, how do you know it's DTS-MA as opposed to DTS-HD? Isn't the core track extracted when DTS-MA is NOT supported? And how would one know over the analogs? Not trying to be a pain, I just don't know so I'm asking. Cheers.

On the plus side, if the player does have DTS-MA over the analogs, then TrueHD 5.1 can only be a firmware update away....
post #41 of 13494
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Originally Posted by ckelly33 View Post

Sileas are do you have an HDMI reciever in order to test these findings (DTS-MA & TrueHD) over HDMI - here's to hoping that it'll work via HDMI.

Oh, boy. I bet he wishes he had kept the news of his new toy to himself!!

Nope - I do not have HDMI receiver. All separates. Rotel RSP-1068 with Parasound amps. All HDMI switching (all 7 devices) done by the Zektor switches (very very happy with those, by the way, especially the MAS71 which has 3 way switching of 8 channel analog audio).

This is the reason the BD-UP5000 player was the one for me, because I am not upgrading my processor until there is one worth upgrading to (all bitstreams decoded over HDMI), and I'm not aware of one yet.
post #42 of 13494
My enthusiasm for this player is quickly dying after your last couple posts. It's going to suck if we've all waited this long for a "dud".
post #43 of 13494
Next up.... lets see if the HDi features are more than meets the eye. I have used these transformative features on the xbox360. Let's see if they work better here (hung my 360 a lot, and had to go delete downloaded content after using it once).
post #44 of 13494
Sileas,
In addition to confirming (somehow) that it is truly DTS-MA, if you have a spare dvd+R archive dvd, I'd appreciate knowing if it can be played. Thx.
post #45 of 13494
I gotta say folks, I am not disappointed. Don't be discouraged. My feeling, knowing Dolby and their quality standards, is that Samsung was behind in the validation, and released only the firmware they had, and I bet they pushed a bit to get this out. Lets wait a bit to see what the response is from both Dolby and Samsung.
post #46 of 13494
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Originally Posted by SileasResearch View Post

Nope - I do not have HDMI receiver. All separates. Rotel RSP-1068 with Parasound amps. All HDMI switching (all 7 devices) done by the Zektor switches (very very happy with those, by the way, especially the MAS71 which has 3 way switching of 8 channel analog audio).

This is the reason the BD-UP5000 player was the one for me, because I am not upgrading my processor until there is one worth upgrading to (all bitstreams decoded over HDMI), and I'm not aware of one yet.

SileasResearch, great that you were able to get your hands on one and report on it! Thank You so much for this info! One question that is really important for using the analog outputs that I have not seen anyone ask (or re-ask) in the list of questions is whether or not Samsung implemented the speaker distance and channel level adjustments in this unit. Did they? or is it missing? I decided to give this unit a try and ordered one from the BestBuyBusiness site with discount code... hope it turns out to be a winner with the promised firmware update(s) they said would be out in Jan 2008. Please let us know if the speaker management for analog outputs are there?
Thank You!
post #47 of 13494
Ok.... Skorponok is getting kicking by our guys in Qatar, and I can see his health meter.

Looks like web enabled features are a go.
post #48 of 13494
[quote=valkyrie;12495662]Out of curiosity, how do you know it's DTS-MA as opposed to DTS-HD? Isn't the core track extracted when DTS-MA is NOT supported? And how would one know over the analogs? Not trying to be a pain, I just don't know so I'm asking. Cheers.

My thoughts exactly, but I didn't want to come-off being anal retentive (not that you are mind you). I suspect that it could be similar to what was reviewed with the LG BH200...

ultimateavmag stated this...According to that table, Dolby TrueHD is output from the player only as two-channel PCM, except when DTS re-encode is selected in the audio setup menu. And even then its output is said to be ordinary multichannel DTS. DTS HD-MA is also played back as standard DTS.
post #49 of 13494
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This is the reason the BD-UP5000 player was the one for me, because I am not upgrading my processor until there is one worth upgrading to (all bitstreams decoded over HDMI), and I'm not aware of one yet.

Any of the new Denon's, Pioneer's, Onkyo's or Yamahas.. I would say there are at least 10 models on the market for the past couple of months that do.

I would be willing to bet that you are only hearing the decoded core on the DTS tracks out of the analog outputs.... there are as of yet no players that internally decoding DTS MA.
post #50 of 13494
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Originally Posted by unbiased View Post

SileasResearch, great that you were able to get your hands on one and report on it! Thank You so much for this info! One question that is really important for using the analog outputs that I have not seen anyone ask (or re-ask) in the list of questions is whether or not Samsung implemented the speaker distance and channel level adjustments in this unit. Did they? or is it missing? I decided to give this unit a try and ordered one from the BestBuyBusiness site with discount code... hope it turns out to be a winner with the promised firmware update(s) they said would be out in Jan 2008. Please let us know if the speaker management for analog outputs are there?
Thank You!

Speaker setup completely blows. All you get is large / small / off on channels, and you can't even set a 6.1 configuration. No channel level or distance as far as I can tell. I will keep hunting for more options. I bet all of this is fixable with a firmware update.

Do other Samsung players have those settings?
post #51 of 13494
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Any of the new Denon's, Pioneer's, Onkyo's or Yamahas.. I would say there are at least 10 models on the market for the past couple of months that do.

I would be willing to bet that you are only hearing the decoded core on the DTS tracks out of the analog outputs.... there are as of yet no players that internally decoding DTS MA.


Two things:

1) Those are receivers, not processors. I don't need amps. I do separates only.

2) You may be right - I did not know the difference. Is there a way to test this? Is there some sort of core-less stream I can use?
post #52 of 13494
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Originally Posted by SileasResearch View Post

Speaker setup completely blows. All you get is large / small / off on channels, and you can't even set a 6.1 configuration. No channel level or distance as far as I can tell. I will keep hunting for more options. I bet all of this is fixable with a firmware update.

Do other Samsung players have those settings?

Shucks! That blows... my heart has a sunken feeling now! I was hoping that Samsung would have been wiser than that to release a crippled analog section. Oh well, only can hope it is firmware fixable and not a hardware update issue...

But Hey Thanks for the info! My order status is still saying "in process"... I still cannot wait to get it to test it out even with the crippled analog outputs.
post #53 of 13494
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Originally Posted by SileasResearch View Post

Two things:

1) Those are receivers, not processors. I don't need amps. I do separates only.

2) You may be right - I did not know the difference. Is there a way to test this? Is there some sort of core-less stream I can use?

Onkyo and Integra are your two choices today.. missed your processor qualifier.

It's kind of a weird side effect of the core+extention tech, but there really is no way of knowing whether or not a player is passing decoded DTS-MA, in either PCM or analog form.

PS.. don't you have a film to catch at the Bridge
post #54 of 13494
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Originally Posted by SileasResearch View Post

Speaker setup completely blows. All you get is large / small / off on channels, and you can't even set a 6.1 configuration. No channel level or distance as far as I can tell. I will keep hunting for more options. I bet all of this is fixable with a firmware update.

Do other Samsung players have those settings?

and there you have it.

CES, less than a month away. :|
post #55 of 13494
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Originally Posted by SileasResearch View Post

Two things:

1) Those are receivers, not processors. I don't need amps. I do separates only.

2) You may be right - I did not know the difference. Is there a way to test this? Is there some sort of core-less stream I can use?

If it were me, I'd try playing the DTS-MA dts track thru optical/digital and compare it to what you heard out of the analogs. If it's truly DTA-MA, it should sound ALOT better...
post #56 of 13494
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post #57 of 13494
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Originally Posted by SileasResearch View Post

Speaker setup completely blows. All you get is large / small / off on channels, and you can't even set a 6.1 configuration. No channel level or distance as far as I can tell. I will keep hunting for more options. I bet all of this is fixable with a firmware update.

Do other Samsung players have those settings?


forgive me for the stupid question guys but why would you need speaker configuration in the player dont you adjust all those settings with your amplifier anyways?
post #58 of 13494
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Originally Posted by Rygar View Post

forgive me for the stupid question guys but why would you need speaker configuration in the player dont you adjust all those settings with your amplifier anyways?

for people like me who need 5.1 analog in order to receive the lossless formats, if the player does the speaker management it can output the signal via analog to the processor, and you can set the processor to passthrough out to the speakers.

if you need the processor to do the speaker management, it needs to do so with its Digital Signal Processor (DSP), which involves another Analog to Digital, then Digital back to Analog conversion. Plus, with the crossover set to 100hz and non-adjustable, forget bass management from the get-go.
post #59 of 13494
So, will this player output multi-channel TrueHD through HDMI even though it's only 2-channel through the analogs?
post #60 of 13494
u are the lucky one. let me know how it works
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