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post #601 of 13494
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Originally Posted by tmu77 View Post

True, I see your point.

But then we get to a point where, now the profile levels (BD 1.1, BD-LIVE) are defined by individual owners, and not by the player. ie: you have 10GB NAS drive at home with 100MB link. I have 64MB NAS drive at home with 1MB link (this is just an example). You would have BD-LIVE capability and I wouldn't have anything - even though we use the same player.

I can't see this being "allowed" to define the profiles. Though I agree with you that it could be done, in my opinion this would brake the profile definition "rules".

Actually, the local storage requirement (like 1GB for 2.0) is the aggregate of built in an removable media.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluray#Player_profiles

So, yes, expanding the storage is just fine.
post #602 of 13494
Review
Spiderman 3 (Blu-Ray): Excellent video, outstanding audio (PCM 5.1 Lossless analogs)
Transformers (HD-DVD): Excellent video, outstanding audio (DD+ Lossy analogs)
Top Gun (DVD): Excellent video, **DTS 6.1 problem optical out is coming out 2 channels only (as reported by receiver) Same for Dolby 5.1 2 channels only ****
Thunderball UE(DVD): Excellent video, **Dolby 5.1 problem optical is coming out 2 channels only (as reported by receiver) ****

Legacy audio (DTS,DD5.1, etc) seem to all be coming out 2 channel?????
Equipment:
Samsung BD-UP5000 (Video: DVI, 1080i output Audio: 7.1 Analog, Optical)
Sony XBR 70 720P
Marantz SR8500 receiver

*no other problems encountered...
post #603 of 13494
Quick results with an Onkyo TX-NR905 w/ HDMI connection...

Player Downconverts HD-DVD TrueHD to 2.1CH PCM 48kHz (Tested with 300)
Player Downconverts Blu-ray 96kHz True HD to 2.1CH PCM 96kHz (Tested with Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds)
Player Downconverts Blu-ray 48kHz True HD to 2.1CH PCM 48kHz (Tested with Superbad)
Player Seems to Pass Blu-ray Bitrate 6.1CH DTS-ES HD MA as 6.1CH DTS-ES (Tested with X-Men The Last Stand)

Player Passes Blu-ray Uncompressed PCM Audio with no issues (Tested with Superbad)
post #604 of 13494
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Originally Posted by SileasResearch View Post

Samsung BD-UP5000 FAQ

This is externally hosted. PM me if you are having troubles seeing this site.

I will be updating quite a bit in the near term, so keep checking back. Use the recent changes option under "Site Tools" on the FAQ page to see recent stuff.

The link is in my signature, and it is also in the second post of this owners' thread.

FAQ is building. Please Be patient if your Q and A is not there.


Thanks!

Thanks. Great resource which is above and beyond the call of duty!!

Tim
post #605 of 13494
Anybody else getting just 2 speaker output when playing DD5.1 or DTS from SPDIF / Toslink??(make sure PLIIx is off when checking)

Am I missing something obvious or is this an known defect???
post #606 of 13494
Here's a new one: popped in a DVD-A(Steely Dan everything must go) and it works (analog outs)!!!!
post #607 of 13494
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Originally Posted by haggisbingo View Post

Here's a new one: popped in a DVD-A(Steely Dan everything must go) and it works (analog outs)!!!!

I am sure it is pulling off the DD track from that disc.
post #608 of 13494
Quote:
Originally Posted by haggisbingo View Post

Anybody else getting just 2 speaker output when playing DD5.1 or DTS from SPDIF / Toslink??(make sure PLIIx is off when checking)

Am I missing something obvious or is this an known defect???

Please check if the bitstream is set to audiophile or not. Are these just 5.1 formats, or the EX / ES formats?
post #609 of 13494
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Originally Posted by Woodshed View Post

I am sure it is pulling off the DD track from that disc.

That happened with me and A.I. Are there any DVD-A only formats that do not have the DD backup? That would force the test.
post #610 of 13494
Got home... Got it hooked up...

first thing I checked: firmware:
says:
S/W: 071020.01_1020_0924.11_XAA

... this is different than what the FAQ says. .... older?

checked for an update. it said an update was available:
New Version : 071108_02_UP5000_XAA_1

ran the update.
-- took about 22 minutes to "download"
-- took about 4 minutes in the "Processing" stage

Then the unit powered down.
I waited a couple minutes to see if it would restart. It didn't.
Powered back on.

updated system info:
S/W: 071108.02_1020_0924.11_XAA

... still different from the FAQ... the "1020" part.

-- Garrett
post #611 of 13494
Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodshed View Post

I am sure it is pulling off the DD track from that disc.

I guess you're right. It sounded really good though..
post #612 of 13494
Quote:
Originally Posted by SileasResearch View Post

That happened with me and A.I. Are there any DVD-A only formats that do not have the DD backup? That would force the test.

I think every DVDA has a DD track, not positive though.
post #613 of 13494
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Originally Posted by SileasResearch View Post

Please check if the bitstream is set to audiophile or not. Are these just 5.1 formats, or the EX / ES formats?

Yep, it was set up as PCM. I set it up as Bitstream AudioPhile and DTS Es seems to be working great now on Top Gun (all 6.1 channels)! I turn PCM down sampling off and dynamic compression off too.

From what I've read in the manual, if the track is LPCM it will shift to the PCM setting automatically. So, I think we're good to go! Thanks.
post #614 of 13494
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Originally Posted by gggunderson View Post

Got home... Got it hooked up...

first thing I checked: firmware:
says:
S/W: 071020.01_1020_0924.11_XAA

... this is different than what the FAQ says. .... older?

checked for an update. it said an update was available:
New Version : 071108_02_UP5000_XAA_1

ran the update.
-- took about 22 minutes to "download"
-- took about 4 minutes in the "Processing" stage

Then the unit powered down.
I waited a couple minutes to see if it would restart. It didn't.
Powered back on.

updated system info:
S/W: 071108.02_1020_0924.11_XAA

... still different from the FAQ... the "1020" part.

-- Garrett

Wow! I wish you had not done the update. It would have been nice to compare features, but this now confirms that there are two fw versions out there in the wild.

What is the manufacturing date on your player?
What plant is it? (Mine says "C")
Post the tail end of your serial number too.

Thanks!
post #615 of 13494
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I'm doubtful all markets got served...if someone in Dallas can prove otherwise, for instance, feel free. I asked on a whim at a local BB and got the canned "it's coming" response. Since I already have one en route from BBFB, I didn't waste any more time probing.

I live in Frisco & got the same reply (' I think it's coming on the next truck'). Right None show as available to be picked up in any store in the DFW area.
post #616 of 13494
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Originally Posted by haggisbingo View Post

Yep, it was set up as PCM. I set it up as Bitstream AudioPhile and DTS Es seems to be working great now on Top Gun (all 6.1 channels)! I turn PCM down sampling off and dynamic compression off too.

From what I've read in the manual, if the track is LPCM it will shift to the PCM setting automatically. So, I think we're good to go! Thanks.

Thanks - updated the FAQ. I am typing as fast as I can, but I gotta go for a bit to host some screenings tonight.
post #617 of 13494
Quote:


- Die Hard 4? I read earlier in the thread that this disc was a problem. Has anyone tried to watch this entire movie yet?

Yup, just finished watching the entire thing with no problem at all. The sound was awesome. I'm running 5.1 out into my Lexicon and it was amazing!
post #618 of 13494
Mine says:

S/W: 071108.02_1114_0924.11_XAA
Region:A/1 (BD/DVD)
post #619 of 13494
Quote:
Originally Posted by tostitobandito View Post

Wow, ok. I guess new step 1 for everyone is to go get the new firmware (well, newer than what is on the player) if it thinks it needs an update.

Nooooooooo! We need at least one person to put it through its paces with the old firmware. We really need to understand how much changed, as that will help us to understand the magnitude of changes, or if a feature was actually backed out for some reason.

Please check out the firmware part of the FAQ to get more clarity as to the numbers in the S/W string.
post #620 of 13494
Quote:
Originally Posted by haggisbingo View Post

Mine says:

S/W: 071108.02_1114_0924.11_XAA
Region:A/1 (BD/DVD)

Ditto for mine.
post #621 of 13494
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Originally Posted by SileasResearch View Post

Nooooooooo! We need at least one person to put it through its paces with the old firmware. We really need to understand how much changed, as that will help us to understand the magnitude of changes, or if a feature was actually backed out for some reason.

Please check out the firmware part of the FAQ to get more clarity as to the numbers in the S/W string.


Yeah I guess you're right there. One person knowingly testing the "other" FW version would be helpful. Actually, it looks like his is still different though (maybe in name only). 10/20 build rather than 11/14. I guess everyone report their versions with test results.
post #622 of 13494
Quote:
Originally Posted by haggisbingo View Post

Mine says:

S/W: 071108.02_1114_0924.11_XAA
Region:A/1 (BD/DVD)

Test:
HD-DVD: Phantom of the Opera chose English Dolby TrueHD

"We have detected that your player does not support multi-channel Dolby TrueHD audio. Please select a Dolby Digital audio track to enjoy multi-channel audio."

Picture looks outstanding, though..
post #623 of 13494
Quote:
Originally Posted by gggunderson View Post

Got home... Got it hooked up...

first thing I checked: firmware:
says:
S/W: 071020.01_1020_0924.11_XAA

... this is different than what the FAQ says. .... older?

checked for an update. it said an update was available:
New Version : 071108_02_UP5000_XAA_1

ran the update.
-- took about 22 minutes to "download"
-- took about 4 minutes in the "Processing" stage

Then the unit powered down.
I waited a couple minutes to see if it would restart. It didn't.
Powered back on.

updated system info:
S/W: 071108.02_1020_0924.11_XAA

... still different from the FAQ... the "1020" part.

-- Garrett

Please check how much memory your unit now shows. Also and if possible, please confirm what you get in your receiver from TrueHD and DTS HD MA and how you tested it.
post #624 of 13494
Ok... Watched some parts of movies:

The receiver: via HDMI to a Denon 5805CI. (Then to a Monitor Audio Gold Signature 9.2 speaker set up.)

The display: via HDMI (from the 5805) to a JVC DLA-RS1U projector. (projected onto a 161" Draper Onyx fixed screen)

5000 settings:
1080p/24
Bitstream(Audiophile)

*** NOTE: I am BY NO MEANS an audiophile or videophile or expert in any way. I am a little tech-y (BSCS degree, like home theater and video games, know enough and can afford enough to be "dangerous"), but when it comes to the video and sound of a movie... I'm pretty easily pleased. I can tell the difference in the picture between SD-DVD and HD-DVD/Blu-Ray... but the sound... not so much. The DD track on the first two Pirates DVDs sounded just as good to me as the uncompressed PCM track on the Pirates 3 Blu-Ray.

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Casino Royale Blu-Ray (opening foot chase scene)
Startup, Menus, etc. behaved as expected.
Audio selected: uncompressed PCM 5.1
Receiver reported "Multi Ch In 7.1" with the "Digital" and "PCM" and 7.1 speaker indicators
Sounded good. Heard surround activity as expected.

Batman Begins HD-DVD (batmobile chase scene)
Startup, Menus, etc. behaved as expected.
Audio selected: Dolby TrueHD 5.1 (player warned me that my "player" doesn't support TrueHD and to select a Dolby Digital track... i just skipped the message)
Receiver reported "Multi Ch In" with the "Digital" and "PCM" and 5.1 speaker indicators
What I heard: sound from the front L/R speakers and subwoofers

Batman Begins HD-DVD (batmobile chase scene)
Startup, Menus, etc. behaved as expected.
Audio selected: English 5.1
Receiver reported "Dolby D EX" with the "Digital" and "[)(] Digital" and 5.1 speaker indicators
Sounded good. Heard surround activity as expected.

Gladiator DVD (first battle scene)
Startup, Menus, etc. behaved as expected.
Audio selected: DTS ES Digital Surround
Receiver reported "DTS ES DSCRT6.1" with the "Digital" and "DTS" and 6.1 speaker indicators
Sounded good. Heard surround activity as expected. (I love that scene ... with the arrows and catapult fireballs and horses and screaming and such... one of my favorite demos... can't wait for a HD release)

300 Blu-Ray (a battle scene)
Startup, Menus, etc. behaved as expected.
Audio selected: Dolby TrueHD
Receiver reported "Multi Ch In 7.1" with the "Digital" and "PCM" and 7.1 speaker indicators
What I heard: sound from the front L/R speakers and subwoofers

300 Blu-Ray ... Switched to the PCM 5.1 track.
Receiver reported "Multi Ch In 7.1" with the "Digital" and "PCM" and 7.1 speaker indicators
Sounded good. Heard surround activity as expected.

Fantastic 4 Blu-Ray
Startup, Menus, etc. behaved as expected.
Audio selected: English DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Receiver reported "DTS SURROUND" with the "Digital" and "DTS" and 5.1 speaker indicators
Sounded good. Heard surround activity as expected.

Pirates 3 Blu-Ray
skipped over the many trailers
language menu came up ... selected english
skull shows up... he's in the center with "Play Movie" on left and "Total Menus" on right (looks like i remember it from when i watched it the other night on my Panasonic BD10A)
selected "total menus"
the skull's there now... with black text over it... can't see what's being selected.

Reload Pirates 3 (all the same settings on the 5000)
skipped over the many trailers
language menu came up ... selected english
skull shows up... he's in the center with "Play Movie" on left and "Total Menus" on right (looks like i remember it from when i watched it the other night on my Panasonic BD10A)
selected "play movie" ... after the skull's speech, the disney castle, the warnings, the movie started
audio defaulted to the Dolby Digital 5.1 track, used the player's menu (the "info" button) to switch to the second ENG Multi Ch track... witch the receiver then reported as the PCM track. There doesn't seem to be a "popup menu" on this disc and the "disc menu" brought me back to the unreadable main menu.

I'll experiment more with Pirates 3 later (changing to 1080p/60, etc.) and report my experiences

Transformers HD-DVD (chapter 10, camero chase scene)
Startup, Menus, etc. behaved as expected.
Audio selected: English Dolby Digital Plus
Receiver reported "Dolby D EX" with the "Digital" and "[)(] Digital" and 5.1 speaker indicators
Sounded good. Heard surround activity as expected.

Switched to Chapter 3 to look at the snow scene.
To me, it looked good. The snow was white and the whole picture looked good. I noticed no black dots.

South Park Season 10 DVD
Startup, Menus, etc. behaved as expected.
Watching an episode, though... the 4:3 images were stretched.
Unfortunately, my projector doesn't let me change the aspect ratio when it's receiving the 1080p signal.

---------------------------------------------

Major Issues For Me:
Pirates 3 Menu.
Dolby TrueHD converting to 2 channel.
4:3 aspect ratio on SD-DVD should be displayed as 4:3.

I'll do more testing eventually ... like with Pirates 3 and exactly what my receiver is getting (the OSD shows more detailed audio info).

Over all, I'm happy. I'm no audiophile or videophile... so as long as I can watch the movies and they look and sound awesome, I'm good. For now, if I have to choose a "regular" Dolby Digital track or listen to some downsampled version of the DD+, DTS-HD, or DTS-HD MA, that's ok... as long as it is a full surround mix. Hopefully the issues get fixed soon.

-- Garrett
post #625 of 13494
[quote=dormie1360;12518298]1400 codes work fine.

Was someone asking about DVD+R a while back? Don't remember if it was answered. Sticker says it's compatible with BD-Rom, HD DVD, DVD-Video, DVD-R/RW, Audio CD and CD-R. Not for DVD+R/+RW/-RAM disks.


I've tried several of my DVD+R discs (Sony and TDK) and they all worked fine so far.
post #626 of 13494
I know it has been asked a couple of times before so I may have just missed the reply. Can someone try a 4x3 DVD and see if it displays correctly or is stretched? I had the BD-1000 and hope they at least fixed that.

looks like someone did test it....why can't samsung figure out that people want OAR on 4x3? This has been messed up on all the blu-ray players they make and I had hoped they would get it right this time.
post #627 of 13494
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmu77 View Post

Please check how much memory your unit now shows. Also and if possible, please confirm what you get in your receiver from TrueHD and DTS HD MA and how you tested it.

Wrong direction. He now has what we all have (071108, version 2), so it will be the same. We need to catch one of these old ones to see what it does or doesn't do.
post #628 of 13494
Some more info about my player.

Memory:
Total Size: 128(MB)
Available Size: 127(MB)
** This is, of course, AFTER all the movie testing

Manufactured:
2007.10

Factory ID:
"C"

Serial Number:
ends in A00328F

-- Garrett
post #629 of 13494
Quote:
Originally Posted by SileasResearch View Post

A couple things before I sleep:

1) Did anyone see this crawling grey dot issue on the LG BH200 (same Broadcom chip) before any firmware updates (if there were any)?
2) Anyone see this on any other Samsung player with or without the HQV stuff?
3) Is this the weird problem people saw with the first Bluray players that made them look soft?

Zzzzzzzzz.

I have seen this same issue during playback of 2001: A Space Odyssey on the Toshiba A2 HD-DVD player, connected through HDMI. It definitely looks like black freckles dancing across lighter backgrounds. Digital noise is the best way to describe it. Only appeared in certain scenes, not through the whole movie. The idea about compression interacting with film grain makes sense. Perhaps more compression was used on certain scenes.
post #630 of 13494
Quote:
Originally Posted by haggisbingo View Post

Test:
HD-DVD: Phantom of the Opera chose English Dolby TrueHD

"We have detected that your player does not support multi-channel Dolby TrueHD audio. Please select a Dolby Digital audio track to enjoy multi-channel audio."

Picture looks outstanding, though..

I noticed this as well on Batman Begins. It seems at least some TrueHD discs are interogating the player to determine capabilities. This is good as it will make testing firmware updates straightforward.

The really odd thing for me is that using TrueHD my Onkyo 705 reports 7.1 channels is being sent. However as many have mentioned all but 2(.1) are silent. Seems strange that the player would flag the MultiCh PCM as more channels than it is.
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