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post #1 of 18
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I am trying to determine the optimum screen size and whether to wall mount or buy a stand.
We would be sitting about 9.5 to 10 feet from the TV.
Is 46" too big/small for 720p or 1080 p?
Also, how would I determine the optimum height position in terms of a wall mount or stand?

Thank you in advance.
post #2 of 18
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Originally Posted by allanc View Post

I am trying to determine the optimum screen size and whether to wall mount or buy a stand.
We would be sitting about 9.5 to 10 feet from the TV.
Is 46" too big/small for 720p or 1080 p?
Also, how would I determine the optimum height position in terms of a wall mount or stand?

Thank you in advance.

This is merely my opinion based on over 500 flat panel installations in the last 4 years. I would not consider myself an expert, simply a person who will show you overall average based on multiple custom installations.

I think that due to your viewing distance, that your screen size is too small. It has been my experience that generally twice the screen size makes the best overall minimal viewing distance. Because of this, I might suggest a 50-52" (whatever manufacturer you choose).

Determining optimum height for mounting is difficult without seeing your room / and needing answers to a host of questions. In general, we mount televisions 42-48" off the ground to the bottom of the set. This usually provides a happy medium between not straining the neck while sitting down and the TV not seeming to low on a wall (compared to a picture/mirror/or other objects on a wall) while standing. I honestly believe that is too high, unless the mount it articulating. I prefer 36-38" from the floor to the bottom of the TV. This generally provides the best overall viewing experience without neck strain. However, the TV, while standing, appears to be lower than other objects on the wall.

So the question becomes. What is your viewing area. Are you on a couch or a bed. How tall are these objects? How tall are your ceilings or the wall you are mounting on? Talls beds and taller couches can easily accommodate the 42-48" marker. A lot of this really comes down to aesthetics. Most Home Theatre magazines will show a flat panel mounted highly above a fireplace. This is not a good spot. I still prefer the lower number, though ultimately, you are the one that has to live with it. I would recommended foregoing immediate aesthetics and mounting the TV at the 36-38" mark. If you think about it, every TV that you ever watched in the past was probably lower than that mark anyway. You dont want the front-row-of-the-movie-theater effect when watching TV at home.

Hope this helps.
post #3 of 18
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Originally Posted by XM2G0 View Post

This is merely my opinion based on over 500 flat panel installations in the last 4 years. I would not consider myself an expert, simply a person who will show you overall average based on multiple custom installations.

We would be sitting on a couch. My eyes would be about 37" from the floor. My spouse is shorter than me.
The wall that the TV would be mounted on (or where the stand would be placed) is 8' tall.
There is wainscotting from the floor up to about 36".
I do have issues with my neck and I have to careful with the placement of my computer screen, keyboard and mouse.
In other words, if I was having a conversation with someone for an extended period of time, I would turn to face them rather than turn my head.
I assume that vertical placement is just as important.

Thank you for your assistance.
post #4 of 18
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Originally Posted by allanc View Post

We would be sitting on a couch. My eyes would be about 37" from the floor. My spouse is shorter than me.
The wall that the TV would be mounted on (or where the stand would be placed) is 8' tall.
There is wainscotting from the floor up to about 36".
I do have issues with my neck and I have to careful with the placement of my computer screen, keyboard and mouse.
In other words, if I was having a conversation with someone for an extended period of time, I would turn to face them rather than turn my head.
I assume that vertical placement is just as important.

Thank you for your assistance.

wainscotting = chair rail? Sorry, I had to google search it to figure out what you are talking about, and it basically looks like chair rail with cool panel strips. (A good look, btw). If you get a wall mount with tilt (suggest Sanus VMPL3b), you should be able to overcome the wainscotting if you were to mount at 36." But from what you have told me, I would mount your TV just above the wainscotting, enough to accomodate for tilt (maybe another inch). As I have found on this forum, many may disagree, but from the information you have give me, placing the TV at 36-38" to the bottom would be ideal for your situation.
post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by XM2G0 View Post

wainscotting = chair rail? Sorry, I had to google search it to figure out what you are talking about, and it basically looks like chair rail with cool panel strips. (A good look, btw). If you get a wall mount with tilt (suggest Sanus VMPL3b), you should be able to overcome the wainscotting if you were to mount at 36." But from what you have told me, I would mount your TV just above the wainscotting, enough to accomodate for tilt (maybe another inch). As I have found on this forum, many may disagree, but from the information you have give me, placing the TV at 36-38" to the bottom would be ideal for your situation.

Thank you so much.

You wouldn't happen to be local to Toronto, Ontario would you?
post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by XM2G0 View Post

As I have found on this forum, many may disagree, but from the information you have give me, placing the TV at 36-38" to the bottom would be ideal for your situation.

Sorry, I should have added the following:
So, basically what you are saying is that either my eyes would always be looking up *or* I would have to tilt my head.
This is interesting because with computer monitors I *think* your eyes are supposed to be in the middle of screen.
But, I am a *lot* closer to the computer monitor than the 10' distance to the TV.
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by allanc View Post

Sorry, I should have added the following:
So, basically what you are saying is that either my eyes would always be looking up *or* I would have to tilt my head.
This is interesting because with computer monitors I *think* your eyes are supposed to be in the middle of screen.
But, I am a *lot* closer to the computer monitor than the 10' distance to the TV.

I have found that when you sit back in a chair and place your head against the back (like a couch or Recliner), your eyes generally point up. I have a single leather chair and I find that when close my eyes and let them settle then open them, that I tend to focus on the top 1/3 of my screen which is a 34" Sony Tube on a 24" stand. I still think that 36-38" to the bottom is the ideal height that both is cosmetically appealing and ideal for viewing height.

Best suggestion: get the exact measurements for the TV you are purchasing (outside bezel, not screen), then use blue painters tape on your wall using the measurements you have gathered from your TV. The sit back and look. In this way you can "test" the height of your TV without having to to put any holes in your wall.
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by XM2G0 View Post

I have found that when you sit back in a chair and place your head against the back (like a couch or Recliner), your eyes generally point up.

I don't think that I actually rest my neck (or head) against the back.
I am going to have someone check me when I am not being self-conscious
post #9 of 18
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I don't think that I actually rest my neck (or head) against the back.
I am going to have someone check me when I am not being self-conscious

Try the tape trick, or cut out a piece of cardboard the size of the TV and stick it to the wall. Then adjust accordingly. Also, to complete the ensemble, draw a Samsung logo on the cardboard. :-D
post #10 of 18
You'll find opinions vary and here's mine. It really depends on your room and style too. IMO, 46" sounds great. We have a 42" and while we could get away with a 50-58, we didn't want to detract from the house and our furnishings.

We sit about 10-12ft back and the 42" is what I call elegant in size. I just don't want folks to walk into our family room and say "WOW! that's a great TV!" I want them to enjoy the room and all the furnishings and our style as a "family room" that just happens to have a very nice and high end home theater that's well proportioned.

In our case, we have a 65" in the basement or Theater room, but in the family room, our fireplace/hearth and vaulted ceilings and what not captivate the viewer. I don't want the TV to lead someone to feel as if they are back in college when bigger was better...and then ask, where's the beer?

We have our family room TV about 36" off the ground on a corner stand that holds our components and center speaker. It's just right as it's right at eye level when sitting down and since I like to recline or lay on the couch, it's still pretty much right in line so I don't feel as if I'm looking too far up to see it.


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Originally Posted by allanc View Post

I am trying to determine the optimum screen size and whether to wall mount or buy a stand.
We would be sitting about 9.5 to 10 feet from the TV.
Is 46" too big/small for 720p or 1080 p?
Also, how would I determine the optimum height position in terms of a wall mount or stand?

Thank you in advance.
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by pdqgp View Post

You'll find opinions vary and here's mine. It really depends on your room and style too. IMO, 46" sounds great. We have a 42" and while we could get away with a 50-58, we didn't want to detract from the house and our furnishings.

We sit about 10-12ft back and the 42" is what I call elegant in size. I just don't want folks to walk into our family room and say "WOW! that's a great TV!" I want them to enjoy the room and all the furnishings and our style as a "family room" that just happens to have a very nice and high end home theater that's well proportioned.

In our case, we have a 65" in the basement or Theater room, but in the family room, our fireplace/hearth and vaulted ceilings and what not captivate the viewer. I don't want the TV to lead someone to feel as if they are back in college when bigger was better...and then ask, where's the beer?

We have our family room TV about 36" off the ground on a corner stand that holds our components and center speaker. It's just right as it's right at eye level when sitting down and since I like to recline or lay on the couch, it's still pretty much right in line so I don't feel as if I'm looking too far up to see it.

True, but I also don't want 'regrets' in terms of the size.
Also, I am very concerned about my neck.
Upon reflection, I think that the neck issue is why I don't lean back against the couch.
post #12 of 18
If yóur content will be from high quality HD sources
think that 1080 format was designed for the viewing distance calculated as 3-4 x picture height.
This results in quite big displays so it only applies when your pictures are of very high quality, otherwise you will be annoyed by artefacts.

Regarding the display placement, think about ergonomy first and your neck, not about how it looks in the living room. Optimal placement is such that center of the display is at the eye height or slightly lower. Then, when watching, you head is in the resting position or even a little bit down which is relaxing.
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

If yóur content will be from high quality HD sources
think that 1080 format was designed for the viewing distance calculated as 3-4 x picture height.
This results in quite big displays so it only applies when your pictures are of very high quality, otherwise you will be annoyed by artefacts.

Pardon my lack of knowlege here.
What is the picture height of a 40" or 46" screen?
I think that most of our TV watching for the current time would be 720p which is what the cable companies are transmitting on their Hi Def stations, correct?
Also, what does that do to the 3-4 x picture height ratio?

TIA.
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

Regarding the display placement, think about ergonomy first and your neck, not about how it looks in the living room. Optimal placement is such that center of the display is at the eye height or slightly lower. Then, when watching, you head is in the resting position or even a little bit down which is relaxing.

I measured the height of my eyes from the floor and they are about 37".
So, the top of the stand (or placement on the wall) should actually be well below 36" (based upon your suggestion).
Are you assumptions correct?
TIA.
post #15 of 18
It's funny how over the generations TV's have gradually been crawling upwards.

In the 50s and 60s it was mostly consoles sitting on the floor (like furniture).

Through the 90s they moved up onto TV stands, countertops, dressers.

Now they're hanging on walls and over the fireplace.

What's next?

***
In any case, I endorse the "eye level" position, with the caveat that you should take into account your posture when watching TV. If you're in reclining chairs, for example, the most comfortable head position may be with your eyes aimed up a little.

I say take a little time just sitting where you'll sit, getting comfortable, relax, close your eyes for a minute or two, and then see where you're looking when you open them. That's where you want the center of your screen to be.
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

In any case, I endorse the "eye level" position, with the caveat that you should take into account your posture when watching TV.

Thanks to all.
Now, if I could decide on the TV ...
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by allanc View Post

I measured the height of my eyes from the floor and they are about 37".
So, the top of the stand (or placement on the wall) should actually be well below 36" (based upon your suggestion).
Are you assumptions correct?
TIA.

Yes, they are correct. If your eyes are 37" from the floor then ideally the display would be around 2/3 of its height at 37". Then the placement on the wall will be such that bottom of the display is of course much lower than 37". Additional feature of this placement is very natural eye contact with talking heads on the screen .

At this position the display does not look as impressive in the living room as it would be in a position simulating painting on the wall. But what is more important?
post #18 of 18
Well, I talked to the wife about hanging one from the ceiling over our bed but then she said I'd be sleeping alone if I did that so I'll stick with hanging it on the wall

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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

It's funny how over the generations TV's have gradually been crawling upwards.

In the 50s and 60s it was mostly consoles sitting on the floor (like furniture).

Through the 90s they moved up onto TV stands, countertops, dressers.

Now they're hanging on walls and over the fireplace.

What's next?

***
In any case, I endorse the "eye level" position, with the caveat that you should take into account your posture when watching TV. If you're in reclining chairs, for example, the most comfortable head position may be with your eyes aimed up a little.

I say take a little time just sitting where you'll sit, getting comfortable, relax, close your eyes for a minute or two, and then see where you're looking when you open them. That's where you want the center of your screen to be.
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