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post #151 of 4219
Thanks Cameron....

I have never even used the scaler that came with my HD2K...just a HTPC. From memory the scaler won't accept 1080p though?

I am looking to sell my HD2K now (I live in Israel)...wondering there's any benefit in keeping the scaler vs the onboard scaler? I am also getting a Prismasonic 1500R for CIH.
post #152 of 4219
Yeah it doesn't support 1080p. Not that this is the end of the world though.
For years I used a HTPC with my G15, but these days I use standalone players and could not be happier. I am pretty sure that the processor in the RS2 is a good bit better than the one that comes with the HD2K except for image position. I would sell it and if you want an external processor, go with one of the current ones like the Lumagen or DVDO.

The RS2 Can support your prismasonic for CIH, but it isn't a one button change unfortunately, but it can be done easily enough with the remote. I am using the Panamorph system with mine. I guess you could hold onto the HD2K and scaler long enough to do some comparisons.

I would love to visit Israel/Tel Aviv. To me it is perhaps the most interesting place in the world. You wouldn't believe how many books I have read on Israel's wars.
post #153 of 4219
I had a G15 and the RS2 is superior to that as well. The G15 is brighter and I was able to dial in the Gamut easily, but comparing the two, split screen, I'd choose the RS2 every time.

After getting my Radience and doing initial setup, I already have something I can live with. It will only get better when I can find the time to fix the gamut, tweak the gray scale, etc.

Right now the RS2 is totally default with the exception of color at -10. That will go back to default once I do the gamut.

I'd highly recommend the Radience with the RS2. That combo is truely a competition killer IMHO. I still have to order my Studiotek130 but it seems plenty bright enough even on my GrayHawk.

The more I watch, the more I'm impressed!
post #154 of 4219
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Originally Posted by Cameron View Post

The RS2 Can support your prismasonic for CIH, but it isn't a one button change unfortunately, but it can be done easily enough with the remote. I am using the Panamorph system with mine. I guess you could hold onto the HD2K and scaler long enough to do some comparisons.

I am a cameraman here with a US TV Network (I'm Australian)...they do great wars in this part o the world. I assume you've read 'Six Days Of War' by Michael Oren? If not give it a go...(sorry to get off-topic)

The P.Sonic is supposed to go from 'stretch' to 'pass' with a touch of the remote no?
post #155 of 4219
Yeah read that one. Great book. I love those.

Well yeah the prismasonic has the stretch to pass, but you still need the VP in the projector to VStretch too when you are stretching the image with the lens.
post #156 of 4219
Try 'Generation Kill' about Iraq...awesome...scary combat stuff...
Also about Iraq...'Fiasco' and
'The Assassin's Gate'...both very good about the mess that has become Iraq.
post #157 of 4219
I asked this in the processor forum but perhaps this is a better place. Does anyone have the gamut matrix correction numbers for the Radience/RS2 combo? I'd appreciate it as a starting point until I can figure out what went wrong with my color sensor.
post #158 of 4219
Haven't measured mine out yet. It would be good if anyone has done the calibration to post settings on radiance. I would like to see how it compares.

I don't have the greatest colorimeter in the world though.

I have a bit of a delay as I needed to get my theater seats and risers and now they are sitting in my test environment. It might be another week or two before I can do the calibration.
post #159 of 4219
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Originally Posted by Cameron View Post

So far it looks better than the internal processor for everything that I have seen. The only thing that has come close in image quality is my Toshiba XA2. My XA2 does look better than the internal scaling of the RS2 also.

The difference isn't night and day though. I notice it however. YMMV

I concur. XA2 is a very fine product. The XA2 was definitely better than the RS1 but I would have to say the XA2 and the RS2 is a lot closer.

Toshiba didnt have the XA2 at CES and to date this has been my favorite HD player for both audio and video.

The brightness measured difference I got from a used RS1 with about 300 hrs on it to the RS2 came out being brighter. For those that have been saying that the RS2 is "a lot" dimmer than the RS1 I do not concur based on the units I have seen.
post #160 of 4219
Thread Starter 
So sending anything but a 1080p signal to the RS2 will result in the Gennum processor being used, correct?
post #161 of 4219
That is what I recall reading somewhere, but I can't find the source.
It makes sense that I wouldn't do any processing on 1080p of any substance.
I am currently worried that my Onkyo 805 will produce too much delay and I might have some audio sync problems. I can't think of anything that could irritate me more.
post #162 of 4219
Yeah it is hard to define "a lot" dimmer.
post #163 of 4219
Well according to Greg's review, the RS2 is not that much dimmer. I haven't measured mine yet.

So now I am wondering how many RS1 owners are going to jump ship and join the RS2 ranks?

I thought it was interesting that he mentioned in the review thread that he would take the RS2 over the RS1+VP.
post #164 of 4219
I would take the RS2 over the RS1 and VP. 8)

Sounds like to me the RS2's colors arent objectionable enough to cancel out the increased CR and depth benefits of the RS2, at least for Greg.
post #165 of 4219
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Originally Posted by Cameron View Post

So now I am wondering how many RS1 owners are going to jump ship and join the RS2 ranks?

From the one RS1 owner I know, the release of the RS2 seems to have ticked him off more than anything. Lots of denial on the RS2 being better.
post #166 of 4219
Well that is understandable. I know that if I already had a RS1, I don't think I would upgrade to the RS2. I would get a good VP and then see what the next gen provides.
post #167 of 4219
My image is slightly off. Is there a way to adjust keystone so that all corners look square? I looked through the manual and can't find it. Any help on this issue would be a huge help.

Kraig
post #168 of 4219
There is not digital keystone correction on the RS2. You need to make sure your projector is square to the screen without any tilt or angle. Keep the projector level and square to the screen and then use the projector's shift functions to get the image where you need.

Digital keystone correction creates a lot of image problems for theater viewing.
post #169 of 4219
Thanks,

That makes sense.
post #170 of 4219
No problem! Feel free to chime in if you need any help with your RS2 setup!
post #171 of 4219
Anyone feel that the RS2 IMage is a bit fatiguing?

Out of the box the image is highly oversaturated. Adjusted Color to -10
Adjusted Brighness to -2, Contrast to 0, Gamma to theater 1.
Picture is extremely sharp - eye popping....
Blacks are....as close to back as I have ever seen since my CRT days....

Coming from an RS1 the RS 2 looks incredible, but seems to take its tole
on my eyes after an hour or so of viewing.....

Never experienced this before......
post #172 of 4219
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Originally Posted by asjackson View Post

Anyone feel that the RS2 IMage is a bit fatiguing?

Never experienced this before......

After a month with the RS2 I put black velvet around the screen. It made it much easier on my eyes.
post #173 of 4219
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by asjackson View Post

Anyone feel that the RS2 IMage is a bit fatiguing?

Out of the box the image is highly oversaturated. Adjusted Color to -10
Adjusted Brighness to -2, Contrast to 0, Gamma to theater 1.
Picture is extremely sharp - eye popping....
Blacks are....as close to back as I have ever seen since my CRT days....

Coming from an RS1 the RS 2 looks incredible, but seems to take its tole
on my eyes after an hour or so of viewing.....

Never experienced this before......

Interesting comment. I had similar thoughts at different times but surmised it was because of coming from a G11. The RS2 is much brighter and does have a lot of 'pop' to the image.

I haven't had the time to run Avia or DVE yet, but I'm thinking that will mellow out the image a bit.

Chris
post #174 of 4219
Interesting! Perhaps it's because it is so bright and can go so black that some cuts could be fatiquing. Have you noticed it's more on specific movies?

Personally, I haven't had that problem. I have mine stock except set gamma at 2.2. I had color cut -10 as well until I got my Radience XD which allowed me to dial down the gamut a bit and restore color to default 0.

I watched Replacement Killers BlueRay (guilty pleasure), the other night and it was outstanding. Last night I watched a little of MHD, (I want my MHD? ), on DirecTV and the night scenes were to die for.

I still have to get my colorimeter fixed to do final tweaking but I'm not in a hurry since it looks so good as is. Gotta get back to finishing my theater anyway!
post #175 of 4219
I have black velvet as well, did you set it for 16:9 for blu-rays or set it for native direct tv picture which is larger. I am not a fan of the v stretch. Just trying to figure out where my black boarder should go. To me it doesn't make sense to not be able to use the projector when watching sports or regular programing.

Kraig
post #176 of 4219
Ok, so for those of you who have seen many different types of projectors I'd like to know what you really mean when you say the black levels from the RS2 are like "CRT black".

I've had my RS2 for a little over a month and 130 hours on the lamp and I just love the image. However, when watching a dark scene for more than 30 seconds my eyes adjust so that I can clearly "see" the black being projected as well as the light leakage from the lens on my dark walls around the screen. I'm not complaining about the picture quality, but to be honest I haven't seen a CRT projector for over 12 years so I really have no reference as to what "CRT black" is supposed to look like.

I have to admit that the RS2 is way better than a commercial theater, but I have this nagging question every time I read a post about "CRT like blacks".

How close to true black is the RS2 supposed to be? 2%, 5%, 10%, 20% lighter than true black? I know it is a loaded gun for me to ask, but I'd love to hear your opinions.

P.S. I am viewing on a matte grey screen
post #177 of 4219
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Originally Posted by relicvfx View Post

Ok, so for those of you who have seen many different types of projectors I'd like to know what you really mean when you say the black levels from the RS2 are like "CRT black".

I've had my RS2 for a little over a month and 130 hours on the lamp and I just love the image. However, when watching a dark scene for more than 30 seconds my eyes adjust so that I can clearly "see" the black being projected as well as the light leakage from the lens on my dark walls around the screen. I'm not complaining about the picture quality, but to be honest I haven't seen a CRT projector for over 12 years so I really have no reference as to what "CRT black" is supposed to look like.

I have to admit that the RS2 is way better than a commercial theater, but I have this nagging question every time I read a post about "CRT like blacks".

How close to true black is the RS2 supposed to be? 2%, 5%, 10%, 20% lighter than true black? I know it is a loaded gun for me to ask, but I'd love to hear your opinions.

P.S. I am viewing on a matte grey screen


I question that as well (how CRT-like the black levels are). When my 34" sony tube has a fade to black scene, the area around the screen and the room are as if the lights and television are off. On the same fade to black, with the VW60, there is definitely enough light to illuminate the room a bit.
post #178 of 4219
You can still do shadow puppets with the RS2. It is way blacker than any other digital that I have seen by quite a bit though and blacker than any of the blacks I saw at the movie theater the other day. I have seen CRT projectors that you could do shadow puppets with too, but a well calibrated top-end crt projector is completely black when black is called for.

The RS2 gets pretty darn close though and is quite amazing for a digital. It is good enough that Gregr compares it favorably to the CRT look. I love the CRT look in many ways so this is great, but there still is a way to go.

I have not had any eye fatigue yet, but the longest I have watched is about 2 hours straight. I get eye fatigue with single chip DLPs after very little time. It isn't the end of the world, but I do notice it. That fatigue bothers me more than RBE actually. I must add that I do think that some of the current DLPs are pretty awesome too.
post #179 of 4219
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Originally Posted by Cameron View Post


The RS2 gets pretty darn close though and is quite amazing for a digital. It is good enough that Gregr compares it favorably to the CRT look.


Everytime I read a similar statement I go over to the CRT area and search for RS2. I'm curious to find a comparison thread. Sounds like things are going to get interesting with digitals coming as far as they have very recently.
post #180 of 4219
Yes it is really interesting. What seems like a long time ago, there was a very interesting thread when Art had a RS1 over to his place to compare against his super sweet stacked G90 setup. He gave a very favorable review of the RS1 at the time. It was pretty cool that a cheap little RS1 could come somewhat close to the stacked setup.

Art seemed impressed, but at the time it was not good enough to replace the crt system. He now has a really nice sim2 projector and is happy with it. I'm sure he would not be willing to part with that baby for a RS2, but I think that if he took a RS2 into his theater, he would have some good things to say about it (with some other criticism as well). Umm, I would trade my RS2 for his Sim2 also methinks. Plus if I didn't like it as much, I could sell it and buy much more than the RS2.

I haven't been over to the CRt forum for a while. But I do hold those guys over there in high regard.

The best HD image I have seen to date was a perfectly calibrated G90 some years ago. The screen wasn't huge, but the quality of the image was sooooo awesome. At the time the G90 cost about 50K and the Faroudja processor that was running it was another 50k. I am really happy that the digitals are getting closer to that standard.

I am also really happy about how far the video processing has come in the last few years too. You can spend 3k now and do much much more than the 50k systems could do.
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