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post #1501 of 4219
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

Couple questions...

The sharpness is set at 20 for all applications, which is strange cause everything else is set at zero. My RS1 is also set at 0. Is this a Pioneer tweak? Are your RS2's set at 20 or 0?

Can you only zoom/focus with the green grid screen?

Bump...
post #1502 of 4219
Couple questions...

The sharpness is set at 20 for all applications, which is strange cause everything else is set at zero. My RS1 is also set at 0. Is this a Pioneer tweak?

Can you only zoom/focus with the green grid screen?
post #1503 of 4219
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

Are your RS2's set at 20 or 0?

You should use the proper test pattern and set accordingly. My RS2 is currently at "0"
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

Can you only zoom/focus with the green grid screen?

Yes, it's all you really need. Use the white area where it says "Focus" and get the sharpest grid pattern.....best definition of each pixel.
post #1504 of 4219
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Originally Posted by GlenC View Post

You should use the proper test pattern and set accordingly. My RS2 is currently at "0"Yes, it's all you really need. Use the white area where it says "Focus" and get the sharpest grid pattern.....best definition of each pixel.

Thanks Glen. But your RS2 was always set at 0, correct?
post #1505 of 4219
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

Thanks Glen. But your RS2 was always set at 0, correct?

Yes all were 0. It doesn't really matter where the unit was set OOTB, it just matters that the correct setting can be achieved. If we considered "factory settings", everyone would be watching the infamous "torch mode"
post #1506 of 4219
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

Thanks Glen. But your RS2 was always set at 0, correct?

One more thing... Im checking convergence now in the advanced menu. My red is off a bit (just like on my RS1). This is a normal thing, correct? I mean nobody has an absolute perfect line when viewing the multi color cross pattern?
post #1507 of 4219
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Originally Posted by GlenC View Post

Yes all were 0. It doesn't really matter where the unit was set OOTB, it just matters that the correct setting can be achieved.

Gotcha, I was just curious if Pioneers was set differently. I'll throw up a pattern shortly.
post #1508 of 4219
Thread Starter 
On the DVEHD Sharpness test pattern, instructions are to bump it up until you see a halo, or ringing effect, then keep the sharpness under that, but personally I could never see any halo effect. Regardless, my sharpness is set low, 5 or 10 if memory serves.

Chris
post #1509 of 4219
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by GlenC View Post

Yes all were 0. It doesn't really matter where the unit was set OOTB, it just matters that the correct setting can be achieved. If we considered "factory settings", everyone would be watching the infamous "torch mode"

Even on the RS2? I thought the RS2 was pretty close right out of the box. At least with the limited degree of user controls available.
post #1510 of 4219
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

One more thing... Im checking convergence now in the advanced menu. My red is off a bit (just like on my RS1). This is a normal thing, correct? I mean nobody has an absolute perfect line when viewing the multi color cross pattern?

I think I had to do only one bump of blue, if you're talking about pixel alignment. Mine was near perfect after that.
post #1511 of 4219
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Originally Posted by Acturbo View Post

I too was a little worried about the brightness on this guy. Finally got to set mine up last night, and let me tell you, going from a 1600 lumen projector to a 600 lumen PJ. Im gonna say I am pleasantly surprised by the FPJ1. I currently have mine shelf mounted 15.5 ft from a 1.24 gain DIY screen projecting a 125" diagonal image in total darkness and I couldnt be happier. It even seems brighter to me than the old PJ. Now that my worries about brightness can be set aside, I just now sit back and enjoy =).

Thanks. That sounds promisiing. My fingers are crossed.
post #1512 of 4219
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Originally Posted by xb1032 View Post

Thanks. That sounds promisiing. My fingers are crossed.

Believe it or not, I'm using a 118" wide scope screen zoomed out which would be the equivalent of a 135" diag 16X9 screen running in low lamp. Of course its a new bulb and I may be in trouble in a 100hrs, but I'm planning on adding a lens so I should be ok. I also didn't notice much of a difference in high mode except the sound, so leave it in low. I guarantee you will have no problem with your screen size.... don't even worry about it.
post #1513 of 4219
I hope the projection calculator is accurate. I plan to run the FPJ1 at the extreme end of the range with a couple of inches to spare. I have 10'10" from the front of the PJ to my HiPower 110" screen.

Does anyone have a similar setup? Hopefully brightness after several hundred hours will still be OK...
post #1514 of 4219
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Originally Posted by CCLAY View Post

Even on the RS2? I thought the RS2 was pretty close right out of the box. At least with the limited degree of user controls available.

What about when the bulb settles or pixel shift needed because of lens shift?

The best thing to look at for sharpness setting is the column of pixels just to the right of a black line on a gray field. Sharpness (EE) will cause the first column(s) to the right to lighten. With excessive sharpness, it will be, black/white/gray instead of black/gray.
post #1515 of 4219
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Originally Posted by skeet25 View Post

I hope the projection calculator is accurate. I plan to run the FPJ1 at the extreme end of the range with a couple of inches to spare. I have 10'10" from the front of the PJ to my HiPower 110" screen.

Does anyone have a similar setup? Hopefully brightness after several hundred hours will still be OK...

I think you will be fine. That is about as close to the screen as you can get projecting a 110" diag. Do you have full light control?

For me on the other hand, only time will tell. I have confidence its going to be fine though based on what I see now.
post #1516 of 4219
I have been dying to upgrade my old AE900 for the last 2 generations but just couldn't pull the trigger.I always wanted more features than I could afford....then comes the pioneer deal,WHAM out comes the CC and into debt I go! Sometimes you just got to do what you got to do!Now anxiously waiting the fed-ex truck!
post #1517 of 4219
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Originally Posted by olinda cat View Post

I have been dying to upgrade my old AE900 for the last 2 generations but just couldn't pull the trigger.I always wanted more features than I could afford....then comes the pioneer deal,WHAM out comes the CC and into debt I go! Sometimes you just got to do what you got to do!Now anxiously waiting the fed-ex truck!

Serves you right for hanging around the AVS Forum.
post #1518 of 4219
Thread Starter 
Hmm, pixel shift with lens shift. I can't recall where my lens shift was at when I first aligned the pixels. Might have to go back in and check that. One thing for sure, I'm at max shift downward now.

Shamus, if you get a Pannie lens and your pj is higher than the screen, make sure you play with the angle of the Pannie to reduce barrel distortion. I had to and the final geometry on the screen is very close to perfect.
post #1519 of 4219
Is the pioneer kuro projector a JVC RS1 or RS2?

The AVforum review says it's the same as a JVC HD100?
post #1520 of 4219
It is a JVC RS2 clone.
post #1521 of 4219
Yup. Just checked around. What an unbelievable steal for this projector. (but I'm sad to see Pioneer leave the projector/display business)
post #1522 of 4219
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

Believe it or not, I'm using a 118" wide scope screen zoomed out which would be the equivalent of a 135" diag 16X9 screen running in low lamp. Of course its a new bulb and I may be in trouble in a 100hrs, but I'm planning on adding a lens so I should be ok. I also didn't notice much of a difference in high mode except the sound, so leave it in low. I guarantee you will have no problem with your screen size.... don't even worry about it.

So how are you liking the upgrade thus far? Anything standout right away in terms of an "upgrade" to what your seeing?
post #1523 of 4219
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Originally Posted by Midwest User1 View Post

So how are you liking the upgrade thus far? Anything standout right away in terms of an "upgrade" to what your seeing?

RobZ summed it up pretty good. Little bit blacker, little bit sharper and all around little more pop than my RS1. Although, some of that could be the new bulb. Nothing earthshattering, but an improvement indeed. I also dont seem to be affected as much by the motion blur. Oh... and the manual has a fancier cover.

What are you upgrading from?
post #1524 of 4219
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

RobZ summed it up pretty good. Little bit blacker, little bit sharper and all around little more pop than my RS1. Although, some of that could be the new bulb. Nothing earthshattering, but an improvement indeed. I also dont seem to be affected as much by the motion blur. Oh... and the manual has a fancier cover.

What are you upgrading from?

I'm upgrading from a Sony VPL-VW50 so I'm probably going to be wowed more than many others as my unit is one of the very first 1080P PJ's for under 10K.
post #1525 of 4219
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Originally Posted by Midwest User1 View Post

I'm upgrading from a Sony VPL-VW50 so I'm probably going to be wowed more than many others as my unit is one of the very first 1080P PJ's for under 10K.

I think you'll be quite pleased...


I did a little tweaking today and am posting for any newbies.
-Pioneer for some reason boosted sharpness to +20. The RS2 is set to 0. I tested it with DVE and 0 is spot on. Anymore and you get ringing.
-In the RS2 thread a lot are using this gamma setting and it looks really nice. Set user gamma to 2.4 and than goto W and set 5 IRE from 40 to 45.
-Set color temp to middle.
-As you know the color is oversaturated. I'm using an RSVP2 which supposedly calibrates it. When I do a back to back comparison, -12 on color looks identical to my setting in real world viewing and can only tell a difference otherwise with color patterns.
-And lastly set black and white after these settings with a test disc. Mines -2 contrast and +4 brightness, but these will vary.
-save all settings under a user and your good to go.
post #1526 of 4219
OK guys, after MUCH deliberation I gave in and ordered this today. I am coming from a NEC CRT XG135 and I am hoping I will not be disappointed. I am concerned with the lumens and motion artifacts. If I don't like it I guess I will have to sell it.
Thing is my NEC still works, but seems to have lost it's pop. Sometimes I feel there is a haze over the picture. I don't know.
post #1527 of 4219
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

I think you'll be quite pleased...


I did a little tweaking today and am posting for any newbies.
-Pioneer for some reason boosted sharpness to +20. The RS2 is set to 0. I tested it with DVE and 0 is spot on. Anymore and you get ringing.
-In the RS2 thread a lot are using this gamma setting and it looks really nice. Set user gamma to 2.4 and than goto W and set 5 IRE from 40 to 45.
-Set color temp to middle.
-As you know the color is oversaturated. I'm using an RSVP2 which supposedly calibrates it. When I do a back to back comparison, -12 on color looks identical to my setting in real world viewing and can only tell a difference otherwise with color patterns.
-And lastly set black and white after these settings with a test disc. Mines -2 contrast and +4 brightness, but these will vary.
-save all settings under a user and your good to go.

Thanks for the tip and I'll try these settings when I get mine which is hopefully sometime next week. My understanding is that the Sony I currently have is a very similar technology to the JVC in terms of LCOS/SXRD that the motion blur you're referring to I'd most likely notice now which I don't. Therefore I should definately notice better blacks/contrasts and most likely a sharper picture as well.
post #1528 of 4219
I'll be upgrading from a Marantz VP4001 (rebadged Sharp 720p DLP). It has been a really solid performer, with very good black levels for its day. I would have upgraded earlier, but every time I checked out the Lcos projectors, I always left the showroom unimpressed. The RS-1 was the only Lcos pj that I thought looked pretty good (have never seen the RS-2 / Kuro), but the very mild improvement that I was able to notice did not justify the price of the upgrade. But now, with the FPJ1s hitting my magic price point, I broke down and ordered one. The VP4001 has been great, but it is kind of loud, and I do see pixelization occasionally from the front row of my theater. I've always been a DLP guy (first 3 pjs were DLPs) and love that pop, so I'm not expecting to be blown away. A moderate improvement will do nicely. Anything beyond that is gravy. Anything less than that, and I guess it will find its way to the classifieds.

Oh, and I guess this will delay my Anthem Pre/pro upgrade yet again for another year or two.
post #1529 of 4219
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Originally Posted by chexi1 View Post

I'll be upgrading from a Marantz VP4001 (rebadged Sharp 720p DLP). It has been a really solid performer, with very good black levels for its day. I would have upgraded earlier, but every time I checked out the Lcos projectors, I always left the showroom unimpressed. The RS-1 was the only Lcos pj that I thought looked pretty good (have never seen the RS-2 / Kuro), but the very mild improvement that I was able to notice did not justify the price of the upgrade. But now, with the FPJ1s hitting my magic price point, I broke down and ordered one. The VP4001 has been great, but it is kind of loud, and I do see pixelization occasionally from the front row of my theater. I've always been a DLP guy (first 3 pjs were DLPs) and love that pop, so I'm not expecting to be blown away. A moderate improvement will do nicely. Anything beyond that is gravy. Anything less than that, and I guess it will find its way to the classifieds.

Oh, and I guess this will delay my Anthem Pre/pro upgrade yet again for another year or two.

Aloha Chexi1,

You too, eh? I have been hemming and hawing myself on this as the VP4001 puts out such a great pic. I can't wait to hear your comparison.

I am sending you a PM as well.

bdbaba
post #1530 of 4219
I've got a quick question, I received the projector today and the projector mount from old projector a Runco CL 810 does not match. It is a chief mount RPA with a SLB bracket and the bracket holes dont match up on the pioneer. Is there a different SLB bracket that match the Pioneer? Or do I just need to order a RPA universal. Thanks in advanve, Richard
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