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post #241 of 4219
To me I read that the extra black and contrast enabled him to dial in the gamma better (with the help of the new gamma controls).
Reading his review post-mortem thread, he states that he would take a RS2 over a RS1 with a Radiance VP. You know that as an owner of the RS2, I am obviously in favor of that projector. So take my comments worth a grain of salt.

It seems to me like you are very detail oriented in regards to your projector purchase and that is battling against your conservative nature not wanting to spend too much for too little improvement. That makes things hard.

At this point, if you buy a RS1, do you think it will bug you every time that you turn it on, that you could have bought a RS2? With some things I can buy the lesser model and it won't bug me, sometimes it bugs the crap out of me and then I end up buying the thing anyway.

One other question is, how long do you want this projector to last? If it is a 1-2 year holdover for better tech, then I would go cheaper and dream of the future. If not, I would spend a bit more so you can stay closer to the technology edge longer and not be tempted to switch everytime a new projector comes out.

Don't take this as advice, it is just random ramblings of my twisted brain.
post #242 of 4219
[quote=awtryau89;13015702]I know Art personally but I would go with Greg on this one. The RS-2 in my room with 2.5 Gamma is unbelieveable. I do not think it crushes blacks at all and just make sure your brightness is set correctly and you will be fine.

How do you set your brightness correctly?
post #243 of 4219
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Originally Posted by awtryau89 View Post

I know Art personally but I would go with Greg on this one. The RS-2 in my room with 2.5 Gamma is unbelieveable. I do not think it crushes blacks at all and just make sure your brightness is set correctly and you will be fine.

How do you set your brightness correctly?

By using a test DVD, such as Avia or DVE.
post #244 of 4219
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Originally Posted by DBI View Post

This is my first post at AVS. After reading the various screen threads I decided on a SMX 120" wide 2.35 aspect curved AT screen for a ht in a vacation home in Lake Havasu. Chris, I thought I would be the first in LHC until Rubin told me that he recently sold to someone in LHC. I bet it was you. Needless to say, I have already found reading AVS threads expensive.
After installing the SMX, I was planning to go with the RS2 with the Panamorphic lens. Cameron, I never really heard whether you resolved your alignment issues. I will also be using some vert. lens shift. How much shift are you using?
With all the pj in the 5k-10k range, has anybody on this thread had buyers remorse with their RS2 purchase? If so, what pj would be their first choice now?
Enjoying the informal candor,
Doug

Hi Doug. Yep, that was me on the SMX. Mine is not curved though. I bought the material and built my own frame.

You are very much welcome to come over and see the RS2/Panamorph combo for yourself when you're in town next. I definitely do not have any buyers remorse. Had a Superbowl party yesterday and couldn't get my guests to leave............

Chris
post #245 of 4219
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Originally Posted by Cameron View Post

One other question is, how long do you want this projector to last? If it is a 1-2 year holdover for better tech, then I would go cheaper and dream of the future. If not, I would spend a bit more so you can stay closer to the technology edge longer and not be tempted to switch everytime a new projector comes out.


I'd admit that I like the excitement of a new piece of gear and I really don't hang on to things for a very long time. I'd imagine that either way, I'd keep it for a max of a couple of years. I have no doubt that the RS2 is the better projector (with or without a processor added to the RS1) but I see myself upgrading to JVC's next projector if it adds more lens control and higher lumens for a larger screen.
post #246 of 4219
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Originally Posted by RobZ View Post

So, my decision is based upon reading and is why things get confusing. I finally read Greg's review today. The projector sounds excellent but from what I understand the CR from the RS1 was 16400:1 and the RS2 25200:1 but the modified ANSI CR is the same on both at around 310:1. He often mentioned the improved gamma settings and it actually seemed to me that that was what he felt was the biggest improvement (in addition to the better CR of course). Couldn't the same level of gamma adjustment be made with a Lumagen HDP?

The higher contrast ratio produces a lower relative black level, which permits the gamma setting to be higher (which pushes dark shadow detail darker) while still keeping the dark shadow detail visible above the black level.

Therefore, you can use a higher gamma (more CRT-like) on the RS2 (which also has internal higher gamma settings) than the RS1 (which also requires an external processor to get a higher gamma).

The RS1 I reviewed had a particularly good full-field contrast ratio (it was about 19,000:1 at max throw vs a 15,000:1 spec), while the RS2 only slightly exceed the 30,000:1 spec at max throw. (That information is in the reviews.) On average units, I would expect the black level to around 2x better on an RS2 than an RS1 based on the JVC spec.
post #247 of 4219
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I see myself upgrading to JVC's next projector if it adds more lens control and higher lumens for a larger screen.

I am strongly considering the RS2 but am concerned about the brightness level. Is an 11 foot 1.3 gain 2.35 screen with a panamorph lens a stretch for this projector? The room is dark, but not a bat cave. Should I consider something else?
post #248 of 4219
I would think you need a high gain screen. I have an 11' wide 2.35:1 screen that I used with the RS1 (which was brighter than the RS2), but mine was a HP 2.8 gain and I would change bulbs after about 250 hours....
post #249 of 4219
Yeah my crude measurement would give you only 9.32 ft lamberts on high bulb at the peak of bulb life going off Greg's measurements and factoring in a panamorph in use. You would have more than 14 ft lamberts in the 16:9 mode.

That seems a bit low to me. I would either go with a HP for the extra gain or shrink the screen size.
post #250 of 4219
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Originally Posted by CCLAY View Post

Hi Doug. Yep, that was me on the SMX. Mine is not curved though. I bought the material and built my own frame.

You are very much welcome to come over and see the RS2/Panamorph combo for yourself when you're in town next. I definitely do not have any buyers remorse. Had a Superbowl party yesterday and couldn't get my guests to leave............

Chris

Hi Chris. I was hoping you would see my post. I saw your ht pics you posted and as Cameron would say-Way cool dude. I have all the same concerns that are being posted daily about inadequate light for my 120" wide SMX screen. As you know the gain is not stellar at 1.16. It would be great to see an RS2 in a real home environment using a SMX AT screen. Whats your favorite beer?
post #251 of 4219
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Originally Posted by awtryau89 View Post

I know Art personally but I would go with Greg on this one. The RS-2 in my room with 2.5 Gamma is unbelieveable. I do not think it crushes blacks at all and just make sure your brightness is set correctly and you will be fine.

How do you set your brightness correctly?

I use a DVE test pattern. The full color bar pattern with the small pluge and black stripes in the lower right corner. This pattern is basically at 50IRE and gives a good level for overall brightness. Adjust brightness up until the BTB stripe just appears and then back off one click. There should be a point where one click makes the stripe visable and then invisable. You want it at that point where it just becomes invisable. You need to do this after setting Gamma.
post #252 of 4219
gregr,
are you planning to review the Sim2 D80E?
post #253 of 4219
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gregr,
are you planning to review the Sim2 D80E?

Very unlikely.
post #254 of 4219
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Seems like we lost some posts when the system was down yesterday..... Sorry if this comes up twice.
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Hi Chris. I was hoping you would see my post. I saw your ht pics you posted and as Cameron would say-Way cool dude. I have all the same concerns that are being posted daily about inadequate light for my 120" wide SMX screen. As you know the gain is not stellar at 1.16. It would be great to see an RS2 in a real home environment using a SMX AT screen. Whats your favorite beer?

Anything cold. PM me and I'll give you my number.

I'm scratchin' my head on all the talk about this projector not being bright enough. True, 1.16 is not a lot of gain compared to others, but this combo to me is a real winner. I'm sure the high gain screens would give off more light, but aren't there tradeoffs? My Firehawk screen, which now rests in a spare bedroom, is a lower gain screen but has some kind of reflective, sparkly coating on it that I could always see. It was great for my G11 in helping with blacks but I was always a bit bothered by seeing that slight amount of hotspotting.

Either I'm too sensitive to light or I've never seen a true light cannon. Granted, the bulb on my RS2 only has maybe 20 or 30 hours on it. At 500 to 1000 hours maybe my opinion will be different.....but that's why they make replacement bulbs.
post #255 of 4219
Greg forgive me but may I ask why that is unlikely? BTW do you intend to review the upcoming Samsung SP-A800B?
post #256 of 4219
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

So, I should put my concerns to bed on a 110" wide 2.35 SmX AT and the RS2/Panamorph?

Fly on out to Havasu and see for yourself. Or....I'm sure someone will have a similar combo in your area before too long that you might be able to see.

Or wait 'til Doug sees my setup and have a second opinion.........or just go for it!

Chris
post #257 of 4219
Greg, when I swapped the VW50 for the VW60 I (like most who have commented about the upgrade) believe the move was, for the reasonable price difference, a good choice due to the much improved sharpness, color, and slightly improved black level (not night and day). The move from an RS1 to an RS2 is obviously more costly due to the increased price of the RS2 over the RS1 when new. Do you feel this upgrade is equal to or better than, performance-wise, what was gained from the Sony Pearl to Black Pearl?

BTW my wife says you need to stop reviewing projectors so that I can afford college for my four kids!
post #258 of 4219
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Originally Posted by CCLAY View Post

Fly on out to Havasu and see for yourself. Or....I'm sure someone will have a similar combo in your area before too long that you might be able to see.

Or wait 'til Doug sees my setup and have a second opinion.........or just go for it!

Chris

Thanks, I'll see if I can get my wife to let me come out for Spring Break.
post #259 of 4219
I would like to thank Cclay and Eric Autry for their instructions onhow to set the brightness level. It was the only adjustment I made and it had a dramatic effect on the image. I had the unit calibrated when I installed it but it had apparently drifted.

Has anyone tried adjusting the gamma on the RS2 to Greg Rogers specification?

If so did you notice a dramatic change in image depth and sharpness or was it a subtle change?
post #260 of 4219
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Greg forgive me but may I ask why that is unlikely?

Of course, you may ask. But I must decline to answer.

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BTW do you intend to review the upcoming Samsung SP-A800B?

I would like to. Hopefully they will send one for a review.
post #261 of 4219
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Originally Posted by mlang46 View Post

I would like to thank Cclay and Eric Autry for their instructions onhow to set the brightness level. It was the only adjustment I made and it had a dramatic effect on the image. I had the unit calibrated when I installed it but it had apparently drifted.

Has anyone tried adjusting the gamma on the RS2 to Greg Rogers specification?

If so did you notice a dramatic change in image depth and sharpness or was it a subtle change?

No problem. I'm glad to hear it made an improvement. I've been so busy I haven't had a chance to do that myself. Every time I turn on the RS2 I get so drawn into it's image I end up just sitting down and watching all the HD material I can find.

What was the final gamma Greg ended up finding to be the best?
post #262 of 4219
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Originally Posted by RobZ View Post

Greg, when I swapped the VW50 for the VW60 I (like most who have commented about the upgrade) believe the move was, for the reasonable price difference, a good choice due to the much improved sharpness, color, and slightly improved black level (not night and day). The move from an RS1 to an RS2 is obviously more costly due to the increased price of the RS2 over the RS1 when new. Do you feel this upgrade is equal to or better than, performance-wise, what was gained from the Sony Pearl to Black Pearl?

I think the big thing about the VW60 was the improved color accuracy (near SMPTE C gamut in Normal mode) and the increased sharpness (albeit with slight edge artifacts) vs the VW50. So if those things were important to you it made the VW60 a much better choice than the VW50. It was just enough to make me go for the VW60 black level/contrast (with an excellent dynamic iris) vs a DLP projector.

The big thing about RS2 is the better full-field contrast ratio that let's you use a higher CRT-like gamma (which is a major picture improvement to me), and the much better (and higher) built-in gamma curves with custom gamma adjustments that allow you to set a great grayscale down to nearly black. The other very important improvement in the RS2 is the much improved Fine Line Color Artifact (discussed in the review), which I hope was a result of changes in the panel systems and if so should be in all units. The bright corners issue was also non-existent in my RS2 and a problem in my RS1 review unit. Those things made the RS2 a huge improvement for me. So to me, the RS2 vs RS1 improvements were much greater.

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BTW my wife says you need to stop reviewing projectors so that I can afford college for my four kids!

Nah, you just need to stop reading them!
post #263 of 4219
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Nah, you just need to stop reading them!

Okay I'll stop reading them but you need to stop answerring my questions too! (my wife told me to say that)


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Those things made the RS2 a huge improvement for me. So to me, the RS2 vs RS1 improvements were much greater.
post #264 of 4219
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Very unlikely.


Such a shame. For some of us the Sim2 projectors may be a top choice for 110" plus screens. Do not mean to be offtopic or to start anything controversial but do not you agree that Sim2 produces some of the best projectors? If so, why not review them?
post #265 of 4219
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Thanks, I'll see if I can get my wife to let me come out for Spring Break.

If you go down during Spring Break and check out the lake activities you'll probably forget a lot of things including Chris's ht
post #266 of 4219
I will be ordering the RS2 and want to include the anamorphic lens to watch on a 10 foot wide 2.35 screen. What anamorphic lens options are available (that are motor driven)? ISCO and Panaorph? Others =?
post #267 of 4219
There is the Schnieder optics one too.
post #268 of 4219
Also...

Congrats on the new RS2 dude!
post #269 of 4219
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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

I will be ordering the RS2 and want to include the anamorphic lens to watch on a 10 foot wide 2.35 screen. What anamorphic lens options are available (that are motor driven)? ISCO and Panaorph? Others =?

Suggest you drop in on the CIH thread . .
post #270 of 4219
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I will be ordering the RS2 and want to include the anamorphic lens to watch on a 10 foot wide 2.35 screen. What anamorphic lens options are available (that are motor driven)? ISCO and Panaorph? Others =?

I've always been partial to the Panamorph lenses myself. Here's my setup with the new motorized lens and sled. It works very, very well and the build quality is unbelievable.

Chris
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