RS2/ PRO-FPJ1 Owners: Setup Discussion Thread - Page 102

How long would a bulb last on high lamp?I am using blackout cloth for a screen right now and the picture does look nice and especially on bright scenes it looks amazing. But on scenes where the picture is darker or at night the picture quality looks a little to dim for me. Could this be because the PJ isn't calibrated? I am using STANDARD setting. I was thinking of switching to high lamp and the manual says it doesn't decrease the life of the lamp but I have read on here several times that it does.

Could the dim picture on darker scenes be because of the blackout cloth screen or because its not calibrated correctly? Any opinions would be great.

Sounds like you are saying that the blacks are too dark...... Dark is supposed to be dark.... There are many issues, wrong gamma, wrong brightness......

Wayne, thanks, but, I've only been to Detroit once and it was -17F (wind chill)..... I was raised here in Southern Cal...... I don't do well in the cold I don't travel for calibrations, and in 4-weeks I go under the knife (ans saw) for a new hip...... I won't be calibrating for a little while.....

I never thought it'll be as good as a pro (that's why I didn't buy the i1 in the first place). I just wanted to make things better than just using a test disc. From 20-90IRE everything is below delta error 2 and the gamma is better than what it was. It took me a lot of time but I'm satisfied with the result.

Too bad. If you do ever decide to take your show on the road... and you head this way, just make sure you do it between May and September and you'll be fine.

About your hip, all the best. My mother fell and broke her hip about 14 months ago. She had a partial hip replacement and all is well now. For a while she wasn't doing any calibrating either! Then again, I suspect you're below 83 years of age!!

Wayne

Ouch!!!

Wish ya a quick recovery!

Thanks guys, the "official" medical reason for the surgery is pain relief........ AFAIK, I will have much less pain right after the surgery.... then in a few months I hope to be back walking 18-holes on the golf course, something I haven't been able to do fro the last 5-years..... (only 60!)

Best wishes Glen.

There is but one screen and that is the High Power.

Amen brother!

Wayne

Ditto. 16:9 HiPower 2.8 gain 9' wide @ 16 feet to screen works GREAT with a FPJ1.

well it looks like the RS2 craziness it going to start all over again.

Price drop Daniel??

Wayne

Not a price drop...we have a small batch of refurb units available...very competitive.

very nice units

Oh refurb.. I thought they were brand new.

Jason you think any deals like this will be coming up for the rs20?

nothing like that for the RS20 but the RS2 are a great deal

EyalR,

Looking at your original RGB and gamma curve, it looks like your main contrast setting is too high. If you bump it down some, it should smooth out the gamma curve at the high end, and make your red, green, and blue gamma much closer to each other and flatten the curve better.

You are overdriving the bulb, which mainly impacting red, but green slightly as well.

Dan

How can he be over driving the bulb?
Contrast setting has nothing to do with bulb but panel(s) contrast.

Maybe "overdriving the bulb" is not 100% correct terminology, but he is running out of red at 90% and partially green, because contrast is too high. I've personally seen this happen on a handful of projectors, and it's due to having contrast set too high.

On my Epson, the correct setting for contrast is 11 according to the AVS-HD REC.709 disc pattern, but when I do that, I get similar results to EyalR. I had to reduce contrast to 7 in order achieve better greyscale from 80-100%, and a nice straight gamma line.

You can set HCFR to continuous mode, and throw up a 100% stimulus grey window. Set contrast to a level that you know is a little too low. Now watch the red/green/blue %bars as you increase contrast. Once you reach a certain point, the bars will start to diverge. If you leave contrast at this point, you will not be able to achieve good greyscale tracking because even if 80 and 90% are good, 100% will be diverged, just like in his RGB picture. This also shows up in the gamma measurement because they are related. Even though the contrast pattern in the REC.709 disc says that your contrast setting could be higher, the projector can only go to a certain point before it becomes non-linear.

All you are losing by turning down contrast is a few lumens, but can you achieve better greyscale tracking, and better gamma tracking. You don't lose any picture detail or accuracy. Not all projectors suffer this way, but some do. It's not a problem, you just need to be aware of how to correct it.


Dan

I agree!

So Daniel and Jason brought up the sale on the B units of the RS2 and I would like some input before I buy one. I won't discuss the price, but if you guys from A/V Science still thinks I should remove the post just let me know.

So the RS2 is two years old now. If you look at pure specs like Contrast ratio then the RS-10 beat it the year after..... So I am going to guess that JVC will come out with new models at the end of the year. I realize that at this point my question is going to be pure speculation, but that is all I got now (I couldn't fin anything about announced new lineup guessing that will be at CEDIA).

So do you guys think that the RS2 will be better than the model that probably replaces the RS10 this year / first of next? I can wait a few months if I have to if I get a much better projector. If they are about the same or the RS2 is thought to be better then I am going to go ahead and get one ASAP

Any thoughts? / What would you guys do?

If you want a better pj waiting always makes sense. But there is point you have to buy.
I doubt you will see a new one from JVC this year but hard to say for certain.
Any new model would better the older unit so you would need to decide when.
If money is not an issue I would buy the RS20 now.

One important consideration is future plans for a anamorphic lens. Depending on room size, the RS2 may be a better choice. For smaller rooms and shorter throw distances, the protruding lens of the RS2 is a real benefit.

The RS2 and RS10 (even the RS20) can benefit from a Lumagen Radiance for more accurate CMS. A Refurb RS2 or a RS10 with a RadianceXS might be a great option. I have access to some "pre-owned" RadianceXDs at the same price as the RadianceXS. A RS10 and RadianceXS package is about $1K more than a RS20.

I bought a Pioneer over the RS10 for a couple of reasons. First off and most importantly that I got it for at least $1k less than the best deal on the RS10 at the time. In addition, in order for the RS10s to match the black levels on the RS10 in best mode you have to close down the iris and in that setup my understanding is the RS2s are brighter.

Also, I don't think JVC comes out with a new model every year. If I were you those RS2 refurbs would have to be 1/2 the street cost of an RS2 for me to bite. No telling what others will have to offer later this year but hopefully there might be some info next month around CEDIA time.

Thanks for the tip

I would assume JVC will be coming out with a new projector but it probably wont come out until 1st qtr 2010 and although they could surprise and come out early. Although the RS10 is probably a better projector than the RS2 although not by that much, you arent going to be able to get the RS10 anywhere near the price of the RS2. What really happens is that the manufacturer doesnt really release the new model until most of the older model is gone so you dont get a dramatic drop in price of the soon to be defunct model. What happened with the RS2 several months ago was that Pioneer dumped all of their rebadged JVC projectors just to get out of the business and it seems like they didnt care how low the price went. The ones we have for sale are B units so again you cant take them into consideration. However, what you do get a is a great projector at a great price that as GlenC said is easier to use with anamorphic lenses

Any thoughts on whether any of the $2500-3000 LCD new models (CEDIA 2009) will approach an RS2 in terms of "best" mode picture quality? (i.e., assume bat cave environment only - lights on viewing is not an issue).

db

I agree. The RS2 has better black levels then the RS10.The RS20 has very slightly better black levels then the RS2. I have seen then both side by side.
Go for the RS2 refurbs or the Pioneer. If you want cms and brightness go for the RS20.