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post #3511 of 4190
Sony will be brighter more accurate colors better for moving images and the rs2 will have the better blacklevels. I asked the same question when HW15 was released and that was the answer from a reviewer that had seen both
post #3512 of 4190
Is the sony really brighter? I only ask bcs even with my FPJ1 in low-power mode. the image is punchy and bright (on my hipower screen of course).
post #3513 of 4190
1000 lumens on the Hw15 and 750-800 on the RS2. As I said I haven't compared them this a reviewer that replied to a PM
post #3514 of 4190
lumens, schmumens.
It's about ft. lamberts on the screen, after calibration.
post #3515 of 4190
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Originally Posted by GlenC View Post

The last RS2 I did was a factory repaired unit and the grayscale was terrible. I did a comprehensive grayscale and gamma at home and then delivered the projector to the customer. I installed the RS2 in a system with a Radiance. There was very little grayscale improvement needed with the Radiance, mostly just color gamut.

Properly done, off-site calibration can be successful. You will still need to properly set brightness for your environment.

thanks. I will keep that in mind.. Ill give the old spears a try and look for a local remote service to try,
post #3516 of 4190
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

lumens, schmumens.
It's about ft. lamberts on the screen, after calibration.

I understand that but don't have those numbers so gave the numbers that I do have.....

You have any numbers to add or any other information?
post #3517 of 4190
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Originally Posted by CaspianM View Post

If you can get the JVC at the price of your used HW15 then it is no brianer as you wouldn't be in no losing position. I don't get the nature of your concern!

its just the JVC is second hand and only 12 months warrenty remain,the sony i bought from new with a 3year warrenty and spare bulb
post #3518 of 4190
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Originally Posted by mhdiab View Post

I understand that but don't have those numbers so gave the numbers that I do have.....

You have any numbers to add or any other information?

Of course not! I just like how lumens, schmumens sounds.
mhdiab, sorry for sounding like I was dissing your post, I wasn't.
You were obviously trying to help and I was just being my normal dumb-a$$ self.
post #3519 of 4190
No offense taken milt you make a good point but when one doesn't have that information lumens probably has to suffice....
post #3520 of 4190
Are you guys using a Scaler/Video Processor with your FPJ1 for SD content? SD looks pretty good on my FPJ1, but Im just wondering what I could do to make it look even better.
post #3521 of 4190
haven't tried yet, but the DVD upscaling in my Panny BD player SUCKS and plan to hook up an old-fashioned DVD player to the PJ so the PJ can take care of the scaling.

My eventual plan will be to have an 3D Oppo BD player that does all the work.
post #3522 of 4190
I'm using an Anthem D2 with a Gennum VXP processing board.
When you say "SD" are you talking about just DVD or SD content in general.
I see a wide variation in broadcast PQ and I'm getting OTA full bandwidth.
DVDs are variable as well.
Sorry to be redundant but SD is SD.

Remember the RS2/FPJ1 have onboard Gennum processing.
post #3523 of 4190
I prefer Lumagen's scalers, but they are expensive. Most are happy with DVDO's scaling, which can be found in the Oppo BDP-83 and their video processors.
post #3524 of 4190
Quote:
Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

I'm using an Anthem D2 with a Gennum VXP processing board.
When you say "SD" are you talking about just DVD or SD content in general.
I see a wide variation in broadcast PQ and I'm getting OTA full bandwidth.
DVDs are variable as well.
Sorry to be redundant but SD is SD.

Remember the RS2/FPJ1 have onboard Gennum processing.

I meant DVD..
post #3525 of 4190
So a Oppo will do a better job upscaling then the projector?

What about for Blu-Rays? Is there anything you guys are doin to get the best pq out of Blu-Rays?
post #3526 of 4190
Based on my experiences, this is how I would rank what I have tested (best to worst)

1) Lumagen Radiance
2) Reon in Onkyo TX-NR5007
3) Oppo BDP-83 (DVDO)
4) VXP in projector

The VXP in the projector actually does have really good de-interlacing FWIW

The Onkyo must has MPEG-block artifact noise reduction turned off to get decent picture. It was terrible with it on.

The Oppo has an option to detect film based DVDs and output 1080p/24, which is nice. Onkyo will also do this

IMO, the differences between these are more detectable when doing something like 2.35:1 film from DVD, where you are dealing with 25% less pixels to start. For 16x9 ratios, it's less of an issue, but YMMV

One more thing: One of the best things I did to improve the picture was getting grayscale dialed in. Next would be color gamut correction. The picture seems so much more realistic with these changes.
post #3527 of 4190
Thanks amt..

I stream 98% of my Blu-Rays/DVD's from my Server to my Popcorn Hour A-110 now. I hardly ever use the actual discs. So I was looking for something that would work good with the Popcorn Hour device to offer the best PQ..


Has there been any talk of any devices that will upscale to 4k?
post #3528 of 4190
Lens Shift Question...

Lately at the start of a movie, I've noticed about a 6" shift left to right on the screen that de centers the projected image. I can use the lens shift to get it back then the next movie its shifted again. I haven't recorded the direction of the shift and if its progressing in one direction or going back and forth.

What's going on here?
post #3529 of 4190
FWIW, my RS2 was calibrated this last weekend and the results are stunning.

That's a weird one Captain.
I would look at the pj while you're powering it up and see if the shift is happening then.
post #3530 of 4190
Quote:
Originally Posted by amt View Post

Based on my experiences, this is how I would rank what I have tested (best to worst)

1) Lumagen Radiance
2) Reon in Onkyo TX-NR5007
3) Oppo BDP-83 (DVDO)
4) VXP in projector

The VXP in the projector actually does have really good de-interlacing FWIW

The Onkyo must has MPEG-block artifact noise reduction turned off to get decent picture. It was terrible with it on.

The Oppo has an option to detect film based DVDs and output 1080p/24, which is nice. Onkyo will also do this

IMO, the differences between these are more detectable when doing something like 2.35:1 film from DVD, where you are dealing with 25% less pixels to start. For 16x9 ratios, it's less of an issue, but YMMV

One more thing: One of the best things I did to improve the picture was getting grayscale dialed in. Next would be color gamut correction. The picture seems so much more realistic with these changes.

Dont forget about the JVC RSVP2. Its a rebadged VP50 that corrects the color on a RS1 & RS2.
post #3531 of 4190
The motion blur / Judder / ??? is driving me crazy.... I'm not sure if I am using the correct technical term or not to describe what is going on. Whenever I watch a bluray, or anything with fast moving sections, the shakiness and blur is horrible. I am starting to wonder if I have a defective projector (RS2) or if I have some settings that are off.

A little background, I have a 110" inch screen. Samsung bluray (outputting 1080p24) running through my Anthem D2 with Gennum VXP Digital Image Processor via HDMI outputting 1080p24 to the projector.

Any recommendations on what might be going on here? The picture is stunning when the scene slows down, but when any sudden movement occurs, it's really bad. I'm not an expert when it comes to different film speeds, or the settings on my Anthem, but I know enough to know that something doesn't seem right, and no glaring settings or out of line that I know of.

Please help...
post #3532 of 4190
you say "shakiness" which makes me wonder if you're seeing the 24 fps judder. Personally, I like the look with most live film source material, although I would like the smoother motion of frame interpolation with CGI material (my next PJ will of course have that as an option).

I'm coming from the HD2K which had a lot of LCD-originated "blurr", so to my eyes the motion on the RS2 is very clear as it's a big improvement.
post #3533 of 4190
I'm not sure if it is the 24fps judder. For example, it's nothing like when I go the theater to watch a movie. I don't notice the judder there, but I do on my set-up which makes me think that something else is going on. It's almost so bad that I get nauseous when watching an action movie. Something that has never happened to me before.
post #3534 of 4190
Quote:
Originally Posted by Milwaukeesk View Post

I'm not sure if it is the 24fps judder. For example, it's nothing like when I go the theater to watch a movie. I don't notice the judder there, but I do on my set-up which makes me think that something else is going on. It's almost so bad that I get nauseous when watching an action movie. Something that has never happened to me before.

Interesting.

Try switching the output of your BD player to the normal 1080p60 and see if the sense of shakiness or motion blur changes in some way. Or have you already tried it and saw the same effect with 60Hz as with 24Hz input?
post #3535 of 4190
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet View Post

Interesting.

Try switching the output of your BD player to the normal 1080p60 and see if the sense of shakiness or motion blur changes in some way. Or have you already tried it and saw the same effect with 60Hz as with 24Hz input?

I have tried that, it it actually seems to get slightly better, but still not acceptable.

Maybe I'll will try to hook up some component cables and see what it looks like...
post #3536 of 4190
do you notice it more with certain types of content?

Blu-ray movies versus live HD television shows?

How about CGI versus live-action?

I'm wondering if the problem goes away with any particular type of content?
post #3537 of 4190
Just a few notes on this:
When you change the player to output 60fps, you need to change the D2 output to 60fps as well as the VP in the D2 cannot convert 60fps to 24fps for more than about 10 minutes before it pukes and the judder is terrible.\\
At the risk of being redundant make sure that the player output and the D2 output are the same this is easy to confirm by hitting the enter button on the D2.

FWIW, I have the same pre/pro and PJ and have never experienced this issue.
Milwaukeesk you might want to post your question on the Anthem D2 forum
post #3538 of 4190
Quote:
Anthem D2 with Gennum VXP Digital Image Processor via HDMI

Dude, just realized this. Take that Anthem out of the loop and run your BD right into the PJ directly... at both 24 fps and 60 Hz and see what happens.
post #3539 of 4190
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet View Post

Dude, just realized this. Take that Anthem out of the loop and run your BD right into the PJ directly... at both 24 fps and 60 Hz and see what happens.

Thanks for everybody's advice. I am going to do more troubleshooting tonight and will report back on what I find out. i'm certain I will get to the bottom of this.

I have also posted the message on the D2 board and have received some additional advice.
post #3540 of 4190
Ok, but do simply try pulling that unit out of the path and seeing if the problem you're having goes away.
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