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post #4111 of 4219
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Originally Posted by pentium7 View Post

Can you recommend the best place to buy from that you feel is the most reputable if you could copy a link to it that would be great so I can make sure I don't accidentally get the wrong one for my RS2.
I'm very close to convinced to go this route as I have 2 spare JVC housings to use. Bulb is 14 months old now with about 1300 hours and just feels like it is fairly dim. I also run on high lamp mode to get extra brightness from day 1. We don't use the PJ as much since we got a high end 3d plasma 63" for bedroom a year ago so we try to use that as much as possible except for any scope movies.
Thanks

http://www.replacementlightbulbs.com/lamp69471.html

Great service, good fair price and this is the lamp we are all testing / using.

Ta Dono smile.gif
post #4112 of 4219
I suspect any lamp would have this issue...like was stated, I'm pretty sure the lamp blew because there was no cooling when the power was lost. This is why I have always had my projector on a ups. I have mine on an apc 1300, though I had it on an 800 for a while. Just verify the wattage rating of the ups with the watts drawn by the projector (you want the ups to be rated probably 1.5 times as many watts as the projector draws, to be safe), I don't remember the numbers offhand.
post #4113 of 4219
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Originally Posted by Badas View Post

I'm kinda interested in the new models. I don't know what the specs are for the 4810.
Does it have the new E-Shift thingy?
How do you like the new model? Plus and minus over the RS2?
I always found the RS2 loses it's focus a little while warming up and the picture posistion adjustment is a real pain. Have you found this improved on the new model?

OTB the the 4810 blows the doors off of the RS2 (may the new owner enjoy hours of entertainment). I haven't had much time to spend on it, but I can say black are nice brightness is much better! Position adjustment is nice.. it can safe 5 different screen positions. The touted Anamorphic mode seems to be useless. and yes it has Eshift2.
post #4114 of 4219
I just found and ordered an Osram bulb with housing from here: http://www.planetbulb.com/jvc-bhl-5009-s-osram-lamp-and-housing/

It seems like a good deal if you don't want to fool around with removing an old bulb and wiring up a new Osram in an existing housing. Plus, they offer a 90 day warranty on the bulb.
post #4115 of 4219
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Originally Posted by Black Magic View Post

I just found and ordered an Osram bulb with housing from here: http://www.planetbulb.com/jvc-bhl-5009-s-osram-lamp-and-housing/
It seems like a good deal if you don't want to fool around with removing an old bulb and wiring up a new Osram in an existing housing. Plus, they offer a 90 day warranty on the bulb.

Great solution, how is this company's reputation if there is an issue? If anyone orders this bulb from Planet Bulb please let us know.
post #4116 of 4219
Warning Guy's,

As discussed previously. The Osram and Philips lamps have a white uniformity issue. I have now tried both. I have run the Osram now for 50 hours. White uniformity is horrid. Dirty/ Creamy edge down left hand side (projector inverted). Tried every trick in the book.

JVC lamp might be dimmer and flicker sometimes, however it is white uniformed.

I'm giving up on the two lamps I purchased and getting a JVC. I can't stand the discoloured edge.

I have stuck the older JVC lamp in and no issue.

I think it is heat related. No issue when cold. half an hour in discolour shows up.

Ta Dono smile.gif
post #4117 of 4219
I did order as well from Planet Bulb, 256 hours and the bulb failed, I was out of the 90 day warranty, sent them an email stating that if it was indeed an Osram bulb that the warranty was 1 year, they sent me back an email authorizing an RMA with prepaid shipping label. Great to receive great customer service.Hopefully the replacement will last longer.
post #4118 of 4219
Weighing pros/cons of buying a used RS2 with 800 hrs on the original bulb for $550. Catch is that it has been boxed up in storage for 2 years. Will sitting idle for that long impact the Crystals, panels, or other components?

My room will not be fully darkened; Screen will be 108' Firehawk G3; distance approximately 16 ft. Calc shows 14 fL.
Will the RS2 be too dim for Bluray & HDTV viewing? (Sports will be viewed on a bright, entry level DLP)

Would love something newer (RS35) but for the price, I'm thinking why not the RS2.

Thank you for your insight.
Edited by David44 - 1/5/13 at 4:17pm
post #4119 of 4219
My JVC HD100 / RS2 looks absolutely terrific now with a new Osram lamp and a Darbee Darblet! No need to upgrade the projector any more :-) I don't need 3D.

That Osram is so vivid and nice :-)
post #4120 of 4219
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Originally Posted by Freewheeler View Post

My JVC HD100 / RS2 looks absolutely terrific now with a new Osram lamp and a Darbee Darblet! No need to upgrade the projector any more :-) I don't need 3D.
That Osram is so vivid and nice :-)

Is it the Darbee or the Osram? Let us know of the white uniformity issues creeps into your osram, this is the main thing that hold me back on that bulb after reading around a bit on it.

Thanks
post #4121 of 4219
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Originally Posted by OzzieP View Post

Is it the Darbee or the Osram? Let us know of the white uniformity issues creeps into your osram, this is the main thing that hold me back on that bulb after reading around a bit on it.
Thanks

No such issues here, 110 hrs of flawless picture so far. The Darbee is a must for these projectors with fairly low ansi contrast! It sure makes these old beamers pop :-)
That Osram bulb is so good and cheap that I ordered another one from eBay for spare.
post #4122 of 4219
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Originally Posted by Freewheeler View Post

My JVC HD100 / RS2 looks absolutely terrific now with a new Osram lamp and a Darbee Darblet! No need to upgrade the projector any more :-) I don't need 3D.
That Osram is so vivid and nice :-)

Now you tell me after i just bought an RS-65. smile.gif

What are the settings you use on your darbee?
post #4123 of 4219
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Originally Posted by wes k View Post

Now you tell me after i just bought an RS-65. smile.gif
What are the settings you use on your darbee?

Hidef at 45 all the time. Subtle but amazing.
post #4124 of 4219
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Originally Posted by David44 View Post

Weighing pros/cons of buying a used RS2 with 800 hrs on the original bulb for $550. Catch is that it has been boxed up in storage for 2 years. Will sitting idle for that long impact the Crystals, panels, or other components?
My room will not be fully darkened; Screen will be 108' Firehawk G3; distance approximately 16 ft. Calc shows 14 fL.
Will the RS2 be too dim for Bluray & HDTV viewing? (Sports will be viewed on a bright, entry level DLP)
Would love something newer (RS35) but for the price, I'm thinking why not the RS2.
Thank you for your insight.

I think that's an awesome price for an rs2. get a darblet and a spare osram bulb and you'll be set for quite a while. shouldn't have any brightness issues. as long as it fires up okay before you buy it (but let it cool until the fan shuts off before you unplug it!), then I think you've got a good deal.

I'm another one on an osram bulb, haven't noticed any uniformity issues, been happy with it.
post #4125 of 4219
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Originally Posted by David44 View Post

Weighing pros/cons of buying a used RS2 with 800 hrs on the original bulb for $550. Catch is that it has been boxed up in storage for 2 years. Will sitting idle for that long impact the Crystals, panels, or other components?
My room will not be fully darkened; Screen will be 108' Firehawk G3; distance approximately 16 ft. Calc shows 14 fL.
Will the RS2 be too dim for Bluray & HDTV viewing? (Sports will be viewed on a bright, entry level DLP)
Would love something newer (RS35) but for the price, I'm thinking why not the RS2.
Thank you for your insight.

That sounds like a great deal, but I would pair it with something that can calibrate the color gamut properly. Otherwise, a newer but used JVC with a THX mode (which should have a more accurate color) might be more economical.
post #4126 of 4219
Okay,

I decided to try one more thing with my Osram. When I pulled out the jvc lamp it had Top printed on one edge and it was located by the power connection on the lamp. Because of cable length I had the top on the Osram at the opposite end. I decided to turn the Osram around like the JVC. I really had to stretch the cables. They just reached the crimping station. Also they now twist to different sides.

However good news so far. No white uniformity issues with one 2.5 hour movie. I will monitor the long term effect of having it this way. I really think the uniformity issue is heat related. Put my hand by the fan outlet last night. Felt hot to me. The Osram had no white issues for the first 10 hours when I first put it in. Here is hoping that now I have rotated 180 degrees. It will stay clean longer than that.

I also have the Darblet. Set on 33%. The big change to a more vibrant picture was the Osram lamp. It is a lot brighter. Maybe this is why it is hotter?

Ta Dono smile.gif
post #4127 of 4219
AMT & Ron - Thank you for taking the time to respond.

Sadly I know nothing about calibration; But would this item work on the RS2 - Spyder4pro - http://www.amazon.com/Datacolor-Spyder4Pro-S4P100-Colorimeter-Calibration/dp/B006TF37H8

I also like the Darbee idea since that can be used on whatever I end up with.

So no concern about the unit sitting idle for such a long period?

Thanks again!
post #4128 of 4219
Maybe I opened up a can of worms regarding calibration. Calibration requires a sensor (but I am not sure if that one is OK for a projector) and a CMS (color management system). The CMS is either in the display or in some external video processors like the Radiance Mini3D. Calibrating for proper color costs $1.4-2.5k when the projector does not have a CMS, and ~$600 when it does (still need a sensor and software). If this is your first projector and you are trying to keep your costs way down, then getting just the RS2 is probably a good option. If you really want accurate color but don't want to spend another couple thousand on other HW and don't really want to go through the trouble of doing the calibration, then some of the newer, higher end JVC projectors might be a good fit. They have a "THX" mode which will not have perfect color, but should be much more accurate than just and RS2.
post #4129 of 4219
Are you kidding - that's great information! Thank you! I didn't realize how much the equipment & software cost.
Guess I'm looking at $2 - $4k+ to get the RS2 looking as sharp as a current, calibrated model with THX.

It makes more sense (for me) to go with something newer. If I go with JVC, a used RS35 or RS55 might suit me better.
Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by amt View Post

Maybe I opened up a can of worms regarding calibration. Calibration requires a sensor (but I am not sure if that one is OK for a projector) and a CMS (color management system). The CMS is either in the display or in some external video processors like the Radiance Mini3D. Calibrating for proper color costs $1.4-2.5k when the projector does not have a CMS, and ~$600 when it does (still need a sensor and software). If this is your first projector and you are trying to keep your costs way down, then getting just the RS2 is probably a good option. If you really want accurate color but don't want to spend another couple thousand on other HW and don't really want to go through the trouble of doing the calibration, then some of the newer, higher end JVC projectors might be a good fit. They have a "THX" mode which will not have perfect color, but should be much more accurate than just and RS2.
post #4130 of 4219
Hey - whats the largest size screen anyone has projected of an RPJ? I have a 110" diagonal screen but am upgrading to a 130 or a 140. Am assuming that I will have to retire the old RPJ but are any of you using it with that large a screen and getting decent results?
post #4131 of 4219
The bigger the screen the brighter the bulb will need to be. Jumping into those super large screen then you start running into dim image, specially after the bulb starts to age a bit. Size is usually a tug of war game with quality.
post #4132 of 4219
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Originally Posted by David44 View Post

Are you kidding - that's great information! Thank you! I didn't realize how much the equipment & software cost.
Guess I'm looking at $2 - $4k+ to get the RS2 looking as sharp as a current, calibrated model with THX.

It makes more sense (for me) to go with something newer. If I go with JVC, a used RS35 or RS55 might suit me better.
Thanks again.

There is no need for a pro calibration with RS2 / HD100 although it benefits from one. The picture quality is super after just adjusting the grey ramp pics as close to neutral with your own eyes. Finally some tweaking with white balance and that's it. IMHO.
post #4133 of 4219
Bulb blew last night, no physical damage but you could see the middle had a big "tumor" in it and the spike in the middle was no longer straight.

I took the opportunity to look at my prism which has never been touched, my RS2 is 4.5 years old. It was caked with a gray film and took me 3 microfiber cloths and 1.5 hrs to get clean. Prior to doing this I was very depressed with my RS2 very dim very hazy looking so I was watching more on my plasma in the bedroom. After cleaning the prism which wasn't exactly easy I'm assuming because it was caked on there for so long I used an old backup bulb which was the original bulb that came with my RS2 and had 1500-1700 hours on it.

I could not believe my eyes........ It looked like my plasma even with the older bulb natively and with my panamorph lens. The prism cleaning can not be understated it is an absolute must be done depressing how long I went without doing it and how many films I probably watched at terrible quality. Now I really need to decide on either OEM JVC bulb or that OSRAM bulb which I'll see even better brighter picture. Told my wife I'm loving my RS2 again.
post #4134 of 4219
Never even read anything anywhere about cleaning the prism. My RS2 still look's amazing and its also 4 1/2 years old. What in the world would cause your prism to cake up like that and how did you reach in there to clean it without screwing up the alignment?
post #4135 of 4219
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Originally Posted by OzzieP View Post

Never even read anything anywhere about cleaning the prism. My RS2 still look's amazing and its also 4 1/2 years old. What in the world would cause your prism to cake up like that and how did you reach in there to clean it without screwing up the alignment?

Trust me when I tell you that it is just not possible your prism is clean. After 4.5 years like mine you'll have caked on "film" instead of looking like a shiny piece of glass think of it as your shower door glass after weeks or months of "soap scum" where you can see through it but it is hazy. Now I'm willing to bet if I had just replaced my bulb (since the previous was dying) that it would have looked a ton better and probably good enough for me not to look at the prism. However after I viewed several pictures of people's prisms in other RS2 threads before and after pics of someone cleaning I had to investigate.

Also of note to mention when I looked at my Panamorph UH480 lens it had a similar (but far less) "film" on it which since it is only a piece of glass I used a very small amount of windex and cleaned it. For the prism DO NOT use any liquid, just use a brand new high quality microfiber cloth not a cheap one either use one that you'd get with a high end camera where it is silky smooth. You reach in and move it around on the prism which is just a squarish very reflective piece of glass. Also be careful to note if any dust or in my case a tiny hair comes off the microfiber cloth. I had a tiny piece of lint like 1mm long stuck to my prism and it looked like a crack at first then I thought it was a piece of lint inside the prism. It was in fact on the prism's outside where I was wiping and wouldn't come off I guess the pressure from the cloth wasn't allowing it to come off. I blew quickly a puff of air and it moved then blew again and it came off. Took me 1.5 hours to fully clean my prism but let me tell you well worth it.

I believe the "film" to answer your question is from the heat and minute dust particles baking onto the flat surface. Since my panamorph lens is outside the projector it sits over the exhaust vent and gets pretty warm the opposite side of the lens did not have any residue on it. When you say "screwing up the alignment" are you speaking about the physical projector alignment on the mount? If so it is very easy to deal with, even replacing a bulb you have to assert pressure to connect so if your mount and projector is slightly loose it would move then anyway. The amount of pressure to clean the prism is very little and my large hand did have some issues getting in there and moving the cloth around which is why it took so long. My wife's tiny hands (size 4 finger) refused to attempt to clean it. If I had a small hand it would have been easy.
post #4136 of 4219
Well next time the bulb comes out I will take a look in there. I assume its easy to see once the bulb is removed.
Could reach in there with your finger or did you use a tool?

Found this:
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cinemotion.biz%2Fnoticia_detalle.php%3Fid%3D1054%26ccat_n%3D0&sl=fr&tl=en

Is that how you did it?
post #4137 of 4219
Page 130 of this thread

http://www.avsforum.com/t/957044/rs2-pro-fpj1-owners-setup-discussion-thread/3870#post_20488574

This should be all you need to know.

JVC field maintenance advisory. This is exactly what I did. Except I did not use the isopropyl alcohol. Read somewhere not to use it but I guess JVC is ok with it. Wasn't needed even with how hardcore mine was caked on but might have made it easier.

And your link is what I also found and that's what I performed on mine. I ended up using a plastic pen but stopped using it for fear of scratching even with the plastic. You don't even notice your projector getting dimmer because it is so slow over time.
post #4138 of 4219
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Originally Posted by Badas View Post

http://www.replacementlightbulbs.com/lamp69471.html

Great service, good fair price and this is the lamp we are all testing / using.

Ta Dono smile.gif

Lady on the phone I believe her name was Allison in tech support and sales told me she couldn't reference that osram bulb with anything DLA-RS2 or BHL-5009 or equivalent so she wouldn't recommend for me to buy it without calling JVC. Even after I explained many people from here bought them already.

Part 2 was her telling me it was a genuine OSRAM bulb but that it only has a 90 day warranty, when I explained that several people on here have bought that particular bulb from them and it is supposed to have a 1 year manufacturers warranty she then explained it is an original bulb from OSRAM and it is only a 90 day warranty.

Don't think I am comfortable even with the low price of only having a 90 day warranty on this if they aren't going to honor the manufacturer's true 1 year warranty then why bother? Unless of course others in this thread have been mistaken and it is really just a 90 day warranty after all.

Weighing my options I can't find a reliable place for a reasonable price on a Genuine JVC bulb last price I paid was 209 and highest I've paid was 275. Anyone have a good place with lower than 300 price point that is trustworthy that it won't be a knockoff lookalike. Saw someone on ebay with pictures of a real JVC Genuine box and it looked exactly like my lamp housings but when you see the plastic wording and symbols on the back it didn't match the 3 JVC bulbs I have here. Still would like that OSRAM bulb but they don't really seem very helpful at that replacement bulbs shop.
Edited by pentium7 - 1/14/13 at 2:21pm
post #4139 of 4219
^^^

All I can say is on-line I got great service. I would like to add that since I rotated my Osram so that the wording Top is now by the power wires everything is great. White Uniformity is perfect now.

So there must be a reason why they print the word Top.

I also gave it a 24 hour test. Had the projector on for 1 complete day and kept on rechecking White Unformity. All good. Now done 80 hours and very happy. Going to try my Philips the other way and see if that helps white Uniformity. I will run it as a spare.

Dono smile.gif
post #4140 of 4219
Couple of shots I took while doing mine

First the Osram and the Philips side by side. Osram in JVC housing.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9366/img1709v.jpg

Second JVC and Osram side by side (JVC Left)
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6295/img1710ad.jpg

Dono smile.gif
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