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post #1 of 98
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....at the proportion of rooms that employ a light decor!

I'm talking about projection set-ups, which I've just been browsing again through the AVS member gallery. And since I'm planning my HT room I've been looking at plenty of HT rooms depicted in HT mags.

It seems to be the norm to have fairly bright decor, at least to some image compromising degree, even in the incredibly expensive professional installations I see in the magazines. If you even see dark walls often the ceiling and carpet will be brightly colored or visa versa. There are startlingly few dedicated projection set ups in which the decor has been carefully controlled (re-dark/non-reflective) to optimize picture quality.

I guess I can't wrap my head around the number of people who go to such lengths and expense to set up a HT room, only to choose a decor that will compromise the picture quality.

What say you all to this?
post #2 of 98
I say, "to each his own."

I think that most "normal" people would walk into a batcave-type home theater and wonder how someone could drape their walls and ceilings in black velvet. When you look at it from that perspective, you can see how not "normal" most of us here are.
post #3 of 98
I had pretty much a bat cave. It was so dark in there, my wife siad lighter carpet and beige-ish furniture to liven it up some.

The theater is always a balance between asthetics and performance.

In the end, I now stubornly feel she was right too. As the end product is working well and looks decent.
post #4 of 98
There are extremes. I know one forum member who has his set up in a room that literally is lined with black velvet floor to ceiling (including the floor and ceiling). Although I admire his zeal to get the best functionally, if one invests in a room most want it to have some level of esthetic appeal.

No doubt there are rooms which compromise with the decore more than you or I might think is acceptable but these are on that sliding scale of life where we judge which is more important.

In my room I have some trim etc that probably hurts the image quality a bit and few, on this forum at least, care more than me about that but I wanted a room that had a nice look with the lights up too so I compromised video performance a bit.

Art
post #5 of 98
Some rooms are used for watching films only. Some are used for other things as well. Hence the need to please the eye outside the actual film.
I find a perfect black hole very attractive in any case, even to listen music to in it, but most people apparently not.
post #6 of 98
There is a balance between aesethics and function. I tried to achieve this with muted colors, black velvet drapes surrounding the screen. Extremes in either direction have there trade offs. Too bright is bad for your picture and too dark is bad for your marriage.
post #7 of 98
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The thing is I'm not even saying "why isn't everyone creating a bat cave." Even I don't particularly want a bat cave (especially as my HT is in our living room). But I'm still amazed at the very specifically bright, reflective decor choices. Bright cream carpets and light walls etc. Rather than at least having a medium to darker color scheme. As people keep pointing out on this forum, you don't have to have a bat cave, just dim some of the colors. But tons of people choose quite bright color schemes. Even after, presumably, being aware of the whole issue of light reflection and contrast...and then go buying expensive high-contrast projectors.

I suppose most amazing to me is the number of really expensive looking professionally-contracted HTs in some of the spiffy HT magazines. Even the pros create
these light colored theaters that simply have to have significantly compromised the performance of the client's projected image.

Some examples of the light/mixed decor:

http://blog.audiovideointeriors.com/207diy

http://blog.audiovideointeriors.com/1206mountain.1.jpg

http://www.copper.org/copperhome/Hom...me_theater.jpg

http://www.1touchmovie.com/images/Sc...eater_rear.jpg

http://www.allazcommunications.com/i...eater_slcs.jpg

http://www.home-truthtips.com/home%20theater%20room.jpg

http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images...me-theater.jpg

http://www.hometheaterfocus.com/imag...ents/movie.jpg
post #8 of 98
I've got a brighter room because it's a multi-purpose space and also I thought about resale value of house if I decide to move out. It would be a harder sell to push a very dark room for a "movie" room when most buyers don't really care that much and will just shove in a plasma or RPTV. Having it be brighter makes the space seem larger and allows future buyers to decide how they want to use the space.
post #9 of 98
I've had similar thoughts concerning image quality compromises in a non bat cave setting. The numbers on contrast loss are staggering but how this translates into image degradation without a frame of reference may make it somewhat moot.

The question that always arises in my mind is how much more utility one is gaining from investing in a pricier pj versus the lesser.

Presumably, installers sell higher end equipment and would not gain a thing by suggesting a less expensive machine from a dollar standpoint, reliability, et. al. I would also think that clients that are not enthusiasts themselves still want top notch components and what they don't know won't hurt them.

When I had an Infocus 5000 displaying HD content thrown on my wall a couple of very well off friends of mine genuinely wondered how an image could look better. When I painted my wall black, got a firehawk screen and an Epson 400 the difference to me was enough to sell the 400 for something better. They likened the screen to a piece of art and thought the one black wall relatively stylish but were equally astounded by the image size and pq in both cases.

Both of the aforementioned guys ended up with 100k plus installations/set ups in very non-dedicated rooms. I've seen one of them (a Fujitsu PJ) and the image, needless to say, trounced the IF. He's still wowed two years later and the image has dimmed appreciably.

The bliss of ignorance is worth something and I'm often thankful my only active interests are HT and espresso.

Dino
post #10 of 98
Your room's colors also dont have to be so visibly dark to do away with "most" of the damage from light reflecting off of walls. Wigggles had some nice thoughts, and a couple of color charts, on a thread within the last year on it.
post #11 of 98
Thread Starter 
Catdaddy67,

Do you happen to know the thread title in which Wiggles discusses decor? Since I'm planning mine it could be helpful. Thanks.
post #12 of 98
I will try to find it, Rich.
post #13 of 98
I went batcave, one of my findings is that the texture of the materials covering things has a major impact on how much light it soaks up. I would take a dark red velvet cloth over flat black paint on drywall (my ceiling for example) any day. It does not have to look like a cave to get very good light absorption if you stick with "dark" colors and the materials have the right texture.
post #14 of 98
I concur with the OP sentiments...

I've always said the best thing you can do for image quality in your HT is $20 can of black paint I am also truly amazed how people will spend an extra $5000-$10,000 on equipment that gives a minuscule improvement then eliminate that improvement by putting it into a poor environment.
post #15 of 98
I like the idea of a dark room especially if it's only for movie watching.I mean when you go the cinemas they are so plain when the movie starts you can bareley see the person next to you.The only light you get is the reflection from the screen.But it depends on every individual what they want to acheive.
post #16 of 98
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Well, on this issue of aesthetics and "room performance" here's my current plan:

I have a very light colored living room that I'm turning into our media/HT room. It's one of those rooms at the front of the house that you "do up nice" as we did when we moved in, but in reality the family ends up hanging out in the back family room. So I had always used the front room for my high-end 2 channel music system. When we first moved in I had a big nice sofa against the wall, facing the front bay windows and a wonderful selection of amazing floor standing speakers passed through that room. I even had big Quad ESL 63 panels with the gradient subwoofers - looked like 2001 in there.

But we decided to make it more "normal" looking and added new carpet and a pair of nice chairs facing the listening sofa - the typical "conversational" room set up.
But, as so often happens with the front room of a house, it was all done up nice but no one actually used it to hang out in. People naturally gravitate to the back of a house (especially our house) where the kitchen is, which opens into the more casual family room. That's were we tend to live and friends hang out.

So I had this front room dedicated to 2 channel music listening that was now compromised by furniture no one actually ever sat in (I had to place speakers to the sides of those chairs). That's always been an annoyance to me.

In "selling" the idea of changing the room into a projection-based home theater media room I used that logic with my wife: I pointed out how no one actually goes in the room but me. And that we could get much more rewarding use out of it if we make it a place to watch movies, with a big comfortable sectional sofa for us to cuddle, with the kids etc. It was hard to disagree with the logic of that, I think.

So the project gets a green light from my wife and now here I am.

As far as the decor goes, I'm going as much for performance as possible, while also attempting to make the room look really nice and clean aesthetically. Equipment will be housed in a different room, so you won't see any equipment or CDs etc. And the screen will be a fixed screen which will be covered by remote control curtains when not in use. I want a clean, calming feel - despite being a long time audiophile I'm generally not a fan of seeing the equipment.

The way I'm approaching the aesthetics/projector contrast thing is this: The curtains covering the screen will be a darkish color - likely a chocolate brown. Our interior designer brought many curtain samples of velvet, but I actually ended up preferring the cotton samples, which tended to look a bit nicer and neater.

The curtains will also extend out along the sides of the walls for between 4 and 8 feet or so. (One side to the screen is an opening of the room to the hall, which will be closed off with curtains for viewing). The curtains, when not covering that area of the sidewall, will be pushed to the corner so they are not always in use.

I'll be choosing a fairly dark colored rug, in warm tones to match the decor. I plan on using a two tone, where the carpet has a very wide border surrounding it. The border will be the color of the chocolate curtains (or ceiling color) so that the area right in front of the screen has a consistent dark palette to make it "disappear" when the lights go down so only the screen gets your attention. Then I don't have to have the rest of the carpet super dark.

I'll probably a fairly dark big sectional sofa. Remote controlled black out blinds for the bay windows behind the sofa. And the ceiling will be painted...how dark I can go will depend on negotiations with my wife. I do think a pretty dark color (deep brown or whatever) could actually look pretty slick.

Then there is the choice of wall color. I think I'm going to go with an idea from our interior designer - a subtly textured fabric wall covering. The samples he brought are really beautiful and I think would add a luxurious quality to the room. Since I don't want everything dark I think here is where I'll choose a mid tone - so dark ceiling, darkish carpet, chocolate curtains running along the side walls, and a mid-tone fabric wall color. I'm still trying to decide how dark I need to make the walls in order not to throw away the contrast gains I'm making in choosing other darker areas in the room.

Finally, the actual screen wall, when revealed by the curtains, will be black (which is one reason I want curtains to hide it when not in use). I want the floating picture against black look. So I'll be using a Carada screen with their new vertical masking system. But I also need side masking because I'll be using a variable-image-size system. Therefore I have an idea for side masking with black panels/thin black curtains, which will remain hidden behind the front chocolate-covered curtains when not in use (thinking of using the HTIQ tracking system with presets for different image widths).

Whew...quite a project. But since I'm not actually doing construction I'm hoping I can implement this stuff in not too slow a manner.

Hopefully I can end up with a "high performance" room that will accommodate the growing abilities of new projectors to do great contrast, with a nice luxurious sense of aesthetics
and not too "bat cavy" for a front living room.
post #17 of 98
Most projects I get involved with are in existing construction. If your wife is on board with your decor / color schemes your good to go full steam ahead.

In the end? All that really matters is how well you and your wife enjoy your theater. Actual decor and performance take a way back seat to that one.
post #18 of 98
I started out with my room being very bright but ended up using Suede paint and dark fabrics to darken all but the ceilings (WAF). It made a significant difference in perceived contrast and overall viewing experience. It was a middle ground for my wife and I and in the end I have no regrets.

post #19 of 98
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

The thing is I'm not even saying "why isn't everyone creating a bat cave." Even I don't particularly want a bat cave (especially as my HT is in our living room). But I'm still amazed at the very specifically bright, reflective decor choices. Bright cream carpets and light walls etc. Rather than at least having a medium to darker color scheme. As people keep pointing out on this forum, you don't have to have a bat cave, just dim some of the colors.

I agree, and I'm trying to strike a compromise in our HT along these lines. We've always had black velvet behind the screen to reduce reflections and lined burgandy drapes and furniture to cut some light and give the picture some punch, but we've had off-white walls until recently. I decided to darken them recently with a "sauteed mushroom" color paint, and it took me a while to find a paint color that was dark enough to cut reflections, served to "warm" the room, but not so dark that it would create the "bat cave" effect. The room is now much warmer with the mushroom color walls, but not too dark.

I'm now in the process of painting the ceiling, as it slopes down towards the screen and definitely reflects light off the screen. Again, the issue is choosing the right color. I think I've settled on the same mushroom colored paint, cut by 75% to provide a little bit lighter shade on the ceiling. I think the whole effect will be to cut reflections quite a bit, but the room will still be cozy and warm, with a high WAF.

I agree that you don't want a bat cave, but I also am surprised at how much darkening the walls, ceilings and furniture can really improve the overall viewing experience. I wonder if those magazines that show the light colored walls figure that 50% of their target market is looking at the screen and the HT chairs and thinking how cool it would be to have a big screen home theater, while the other 50% (the "better half") is looking at the furniture and the walls and figuring whether they could live with a room like that in their house. In other words, those magazines may be very in tune with the WAF.
post #20 of 98
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I started out with my room being very bright but ended up using Suede paint and dark fabrics to darken all but the ceilings (WAF). It made a significant difference in perceived contrast and overall viewing experience. It was a middle ground for my wife and I and in the end I have no regrets.


Looks nice and cozy! I could settle in there for a few hours.
post #21 of 98

About half of those are "dark enough" (not to mention beautiful) *to me* - I guess different people have different thoughts about the balance between pure performance and aesthetics. That said, I will probably go darker than most of those, but not black (except for behind the screen wall, and even there I will want some texture at least).
post #22 of 98
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Looks nice and cozy! I could settle in there for a few hours.

Yes, gorgeous room Rob. I particularly like your ceiling.
post #23 of 98
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Yes, gorgeous room Rob. I particularly like your ceiling.

Thanks! I wish I could take credit for the ceiling designs in the house but I just paid for it. They are okay staying white for me because the design minimizes reflection.
post #24 of 98
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post


Whew...quite a project. But since I'm not actually doing construction I'm hoping I can implement this stuff in not too slow a manner.

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Rich, I'm willing to bet that you will NOT be watching movies on a front projector in a finished room in your house before the end of 2008. How about a friendly wager? A month's supply of popcorn? A Blu-ray disk of your choice?
post #25 of 98
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Rich, I'm willing to bet that you will NOT be watching movies on a front projector in a finished room in your house before the end of 2008. How about a friendly wager? A month's supply of popcorn? A Blu-ray disk of your choice?

Ok now that's being plain mean.

There's no way I could wait that long. I'm all out of patience. Which is not a good way to start a HT project....
post #26 of 98
After I painted the area around my screen with flat black it did make a HUGE difference! And then I just added the Masquerade Masking System from Carada and it really sent my home theater to the next level!

Never underestimate the eye candy effect you get from having the area around the screen all black.
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post #27 of 98
I'm in the same boat. My wife and I are planning on transforming the basement, which is currently finished, into a media/play room. The room is 16 deep x 32 wide. Half of the room will be movie room and the other half pool and air hockey. The room is light controlled but the colors of the walls and ceiling are an issue. Since it serves a dual purpose, painting the whole thing black on black is not an option. And when I suggested we paint the ceiling black my wife gave me "the look". I think I can get away with painting the walls dark, I was thinking a deep burgandy/rich red color. The carpet is currently beige, that may need to be replaced with.....brown? Need some help on the carpet color. But I think I might loose out of the ceiling.

My other though was to run curtains from the ceiling and seperate the two areas, one bright and inviting for pool and air hockey, the other a movie viewing room....any ideas?
post #28 of 98
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Originally Posted by RobZ View Post

I started out with my room being very bright but ended up using Suede paint and dark fabrics to darken all but the ceilings (WAF). It made a significant difference in perceived contrast and overall viewing experience. It was a middle ground for my wife and I and in the end I have no regrets.


Rob,

Love the color of the walls. Do you have a paint chip color for me? Looks like a deep burgundy / rich red color I was thinking for my walls. Is that a feuw type treatment you did to the walls, please spill. Also looks like some sound deadening on the walls or is it art? Tough to tell from the pics. Great job, love the room.

Lance
post #29 of 98
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Ok now that's being plain mean.

There's no way I could wait that long. I'm all out of patience. Which is not a good way to start a HT project....

Just joking with you.

Believe me, I can procrastinate as good as anyone...
post #30 of 98
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I'm in the same boat. My wife and I are planning on transforming the basement, which is currently finished, into a media/play room. The room is 16 deep x 32 wide. Half of the room will be movie room and the other half pool and air hockey. The room is light controlled but the colors of the walls and ceiling are an issue. Since it serves a dual purpose, painting the whole thing black on black is not an option. And when I suggested we paint the ceiling black my wife gave me "the look". I think I can get away with painting the walls dark, I was thinking a deep burgandy/rich red color. The carpet is currently beige, that may need to be replaced with.....brown? Need some help on the carpet color. But I think I might loose out of the ceiling.

My other though was to run curtains from the ceiling and seperate the two areas, one bright and inviting for pool and air hockey, the other a movie viewing room....any ideas?

I also have a mixed use finished basement for movies and billiards. Enclosed are a few pics. Painting the screen wall flat black made an enormous improvement. Cheapest quality improvement upgrade I ever did.

I will paint the rest of the room when I final a color I like and the time to get it done, however, I am a lazy procrastinator.
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