Originally Posted by Dave Vaughn
Here my reply to "The Lion" over at HTS.
while we are at it my reply @ HTS to you:
thanks for the reply.
- First I cannot imagine anyone NOT seeing a difference between the shots.
- Second, what you mention is the inherent problem - grain doesn't "look nice" in the eyes of the majority - just like a natural picture @ D65 with colors that stick to Rec 709 doesn't "look nice". That's is the reason why studios choose to apply EE and obsessive filtering/DNR.
If you look at the Newline captures - especially look at the faces and make sure to zoom in for pixel-to-pixel mapping - and honestly tell me THIS is an acceptable and natural looking representation of film - although all the film grain and fine texture is gone, and what's left is just the waxy, overly filtered abstraction of what film naturally looks like - then so be it.
You don't need to have access to the master (->the good old argument) - Pans Labyrinth has - just like any other movie shot on film - a layer of film grain - which is more or less preserved with the Sky HD and French HD-DVD encodings - but is completely absent with the New Line release.
If you like and prefer it that way - fine - but please mention the excessive use of DNR in your reviews - some of us (although most likely not even one in six persons ;-) ) want the natural film look preserved.
I really appreciate you taking part in this discussion. As House said - grain is a big part of Pans Labyrinths inherent look. And House doesn't spend days and days making random screen caps - he watches a movie - in this case a movie he is very familiar with - and when something "doesn't look right" you make direct frame captures to allow for an OBJECTIVE evaluation.