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post #91 of 108
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Originally Posted by rparody27 View Post

So are you saying that from 12' away on a 92'' screen I won't be able to tell the difference between 720 and 1080?

On a 120" screen and at 15' 1080p over 720p was a HUGE improvement!
Where it was really dramatic, was on distance shots of people, on 1080p they have faces with rounded edges, on 720p they had tiny steps (the larger pixels)
post #92 of 108
But you're talking about a much larger screen. I have a 106" screen and first row of seating is at 13'. I see no pixels with a 720p projector at that distance. With a 92" screen I'd think that you wouldn't either.
post #93 of 108
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Originally Posted by jspielmann View Post

But you're talking about a much larger screen. I have a 106" screen and first row of seating is at 13'. I see no pixels with a 720p projector at that distance. With a 92" screen I'd think that you wouldn't either.

I didnt "think" I saw pixels at my seating distance when only 720p projectors were on the market either. It was only when I could do side by side tests ( A+B) with 720p & 1080p projectors that I started to see the pixels on the 720p models. Well if it wasnt pixils the image certainly was not as clearly defined.
post #94 of 108
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Originally Posted by RapalloAV View Post

On a 120" screen and at 15' 1080p over 720p was a HUGE improvement!
Where it was really dramatic, was on distance shots of people, on 1080p they have faces with rounded edges, on 720p they had tiny steps (the larger pixels)

So 1080p magically improved the source material making objects in the distance less blurry? This happened at a seating distance of over 1.5X screen width to boot?

Sorry, unless your name is Steve Austin I just dont buy that.
post #95 of 108
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Originally Posted by biglyle View Post

So 1080p magically improved the source material making objects in the distance less blurry? This happened at a seating distance of over 1.5X screen width to boot?

Sorry, unless your name is Steve Austin I just dont buy that.

You dont need to buy it you only need to try it.
post #96 of 108
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Originally Posted by RapalloAV View Post

I didnt "think" I saw pixels at my seating distance when only 720p projectors were on the market either. It was only when I could do side by side tests ( A+B) with 720p & 1080p projectors that I started to see the pixels on the 720p models. Well if it wasnt pixils the image certainly was not as clearly defined.

I question your impartiality when doing side by side A+B tests. Many people including myself have done those and we do not see what you are stating. Again, as stated before in these forums, unless you are walking up and picking pixels out, some high end 720p will knock the socks off of the low end 1080p.

I noticed in your signature your affiliation to HDMI cable sales. I am sure you can convince your buyers to see what you want them to see, but some here have done the tests and it borders on ridiculous some of your statements. The next thing you'll be telling us is that we need the HDMI cables from the link in your signature to see the difference. Quite unrealistic.
post #97 of 108
Come on guys, cut him a break. That was his impression, and heck, he might have been using an HD70 and then an RS1. The proof is in the eye of the beholder.

As i stated in another thread, when I went from 480P to 720P unit I was not in the least blown away. In fact I was going to sell the 720P unit, but then with properly setting the unit up (Calibrating it) and buying/adding the same cable structure (DVI/M1 & Hdmi) and doing a side by side comparision, I then saw the incredible depth or 3d effect (Ansi CR and colors) and kept the unit (Although not earth shattering, but have come to love the adjustable Iris and way extra lumen output). Although at 17' seating distance from a 110 inch screen I doubt that a 1080p PJ would be much better than my 1200 dollar marantz vp4001 unit. (DLP, 500:1 ansi, 6500:1 CR, 1179 full Lumens)
post #98 of 108
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Originally Posted by speed32219 View Post

Although at 17' seating distance from a 110 inch screen I doubt that a 1080p PJ would be much better than my 1200 dollar marantz vp4001 unit. (DLP, 500:1 ansi, 6500:1 CR, 1179 full Lumens)

Agreed!

Sure, not sure of his agenda...it would be nice to know what he is comparing and the full setup etc than making general statements to the contrary of most that have done similar comparison from the relative same distances.
post #99 of 108
So if I want to use the PJ for sports, gaming and movies on a 92'' screen with some ambient light, am I better off going with the Panasonic AX-200 than something like a Sanyo Z2000 or the Mits HC4900?
Thanks
post #100 of 108
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Originally Posted by rparody27 View Post

So if I want to use the PJ for sports, gaming and movies on a 92'' screen with some ambient light, am I better off going with the Panasonic AX-200 than something like a Sanyo Z2000 or the Mits HC4900?
Thanks

I think that the AX-200 is very appreciated for watching sports, thanks to its brightness.
post #101 of 108
1080P kicks 720P's azz. Plain and simple. I just wish there were 1080P projectors with 2000 lumens...(that I could afford)....
post #102 of 108
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Originally Posted by rparody27 View Post

So if I want to use the PJ for sports, gaming and movies on a 92'' screen with some ambient light, am I better off going with the Panasonic AX-200 than something like a Sanyo Z2000 or the Mits HC4900?
Thanks

the 4900 really isn't a verry good projector at all. But the price has made it atractive to many folks out there.

the fact that it DOES NOT even accept 1080p 24fps is absolutly rediculous...
post #103 of 108
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Originally Posted by illnastyimpreza View Post

the 4900 really isn't a verry good projector at all. But the price has made it atractive to many folks out there.

the fact that it DOES NOT even accept 1080p 24fps is absolutly rediculous...

Sorry dont agree, read what PC says about 24fps
post #104 of 108
thats pure rubbish illnastyimpreza
post #105 of 108
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Originally Posted by rparody27 View Post

So are you saying that from 12' away on a 92'' screen I won't be able to tell the difference between 720 and 1080?

If you have good eyesight you would defintely see the difference. 12' is less than 1.7 X the width of the screen and many people can see screendoor at that viewing distance from a 720P DLP projector. With a LCD projector anyone with 20/20 vision would see a clear screendoor pattern from 12 feet.
post #106 of 108
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Originally Posted by illnastyimpreza View Post

the 4900 really isn't a verry good projector at all. But the price has made it atractive to many folks out there.

the fact that it DOES NOT even accept 1080p 24fps is absolutly rediculous...

Regularly posting one or two line negative assessments without backup/facts doesn't serve much value, unless perhaps to the OP. For balanced reviews, including several site awards given to the HC4900, refer to the various links in the HC4900 thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=946618
post #107 of 108
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Originally Posted by union1411 View Post

i just don't understand the 1080p craze. i just can't tell a difference between the two resolutions, or even if i was able to, it would not be a $1000-$15000 difference.

here, two screenshots from Projector Reviews. which is 1080p and which is 720p? would you pay $1,500 more for the difference, if any, that you see?





hi! its pretty clear ... maybe ibe wrong or maybe u just don't get it

the more the resolution the smoother n more relaxed the image will appear with more fine detail easily visible

clearly the 1st image is 720p

now if it weren't so, i be ready 4 1000W 5000$ shock
post #108 of 108
My .02 ....I have a Sanyo PLV-Z4 which is native 720p. BR, HD-DVD and OTA HD look pretty good on it, OR so I thought...Last winter, I bought a Vizio 42 inch 1080p. The price was right so I bought it...my whole purpose for buying it was to sample 1080p/24 sourced from my PS3...After viewing movies on the Vizio, I now have a hard time watching any HD-DVD or BR movies on my Z4! The Vizio just trounces the Z4 in every way! ..And IMO, it just doesn't get any better than 1080p/24 on the Vizio. My Z4 is driving an 80 inch 1.0 gain screen projecting from 13 ft, and my seating is 1.5x... this comparison is a bit odd because its between an LCD-HDTV and LCD projector, but I honestly wasn't expecting to see that big a difference. If a 1080p projector gives me the same results, then I would say that 1080p is definitely worth it!...Now I know the Sanyo isn't high end, but to be fair, neither is the Vizio. ;-)
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