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post #13741 of 16454
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

OPPO has said their current line of players will never have Cinavia.
-Bill

guess there's a feature that might be worth the price to some people; hopefully i can get some OT at work and get one of those for myself.

can you post a link to where they said that?
Edited by swarm87 - 7/16/12 at 7:11am
post #13742 of 16454
I just bought a NIB BX580 on eBay. Does anyone know if the current Ver:BD.8.42.141.D/Date:2012.07.02 firmware will add Cinavia?

I posted to it's thread but figured this one gets more exposure.

Thanks
post #13743 of 16454
I have a pretty obscure requirement for buying a new Blu-Ray player.

I actually don't really need the Blu-Ray player part, but I do need something that will play back my MKV files from a USB hard drive.

The main feature I need which is missing from all the media players/streamers is to decode a Dolby Digital or DTS encoded MKV file and output the result 6 or 8 channels of audio as LPCM from the HDMI output.

I am finding that none of the media players will do that.

I am also finding that many of the Blu-Ray players can do it.

However, I just bought a Panasonic DMP-BDT87 as a test and it will decode and output LPCM from a DTS encoded MKV file. However, for Dolby Digital files, it down mixes the 5.1 audio to 2.0 before sending it out as LPCM via HDMI.

Does anyone know if any of the Blu-Ray players will decode and output all surround formats to 6 or 8 channel LPCM?

Also which players have the best support for the widest variety of video files? Seems like the Blu-Ray players have more limited support than the media players.

Thanks for any insight you may have.

-Darin
post #13744 of 16454
Hello, all,

Please excuse me if these questions have been answered, but I have been looking around extensively and while I see some of them answered, I see other answers that confuse me, so I thought I'd state my situation, my questions, and what features are important to me and see what experts recommend.

I have gazillions of DVDs but only recently got an HD TV. Now it's time to get a Blu-ray player, and I don't know which one. Here's what I've got:
- A Panasonic HDTV - a TH 42PZ77U
- A DVD recorder w/a hard drive - a Magnavox H2160MW9 (in the past I had a Panasonic DMR EZ27, a DVD recorder without a hard drive but it broke)
-My son has an XBox 360
- I just got a Samsung Galaxy S III smartphone (my son has an Ipod Touch)

So, I'd like to get a Blu-ray player (for my one remaining HDMI input to the TV). Here are the features I'm looking for:

1. Great Blu-ray playback
2. DVD playback - but if i'm getting something that plays DVDs, I'd like it to play back easily to all regions, and PAL, etc. I don't think I need it to convert *to* anything other than NTSC, however, since I just plan to use it in the US with my current or similar equipment.
3. I would love it to be able to stream from Netflix, Hulu, etc. I can do that now, through the Xbox, but I've gotten very confused reading about connectivity issues, like DLNA, etc. It would be cool to buy a player that could work with my Samsung phone. (Does that disqualify Panasonic?) The phone appears to have DLNA plus WiFi direct, plus something called AllShare Play...

Does focusing on #3 mean that you lose out anything on #1 and #2 or does it just make it more expensive? I'm not looking to spend alot of money, and curious whether any of the machines in the $100 range that are advertised at Best Buy or J&R would do the trick for me?

And one sort of unrelated question: is it possible to play 3D movies on a non 3D TV? On a non-3D blu-ray player? Both?

And of course, if I'm missing anything, let me know.

Thanks in advance.
post #13745 of 16454
It costs the manufacturer very little to add support for internet apps and DLNA, since they already need to have the hardware ethernet port and network connectivity on the player to meet the Blu-Ray Profile 2.0 specification which is now universal. The extra features are just firmware, so it really depends on how many players they sell to amortize the fixed cost of their firmware development and their web apps store. You certainly aren't giving up anything on the basics to look for better support for the optional features.

To be clear how DLNA support works: You need to operate a DLNA server on your network that stores the source files and streams them to the clients that connect to it. The server could be your PC or a smart network storage device (a NAS) running DLNA server software like Twonky, TVersity, Serviio, Samsung Allshare etc. Your Smart TV, Blu-Ray player or cell phone have built-in DLNA client software. The server streams the video/audio/photo content to the client over the network. You can mix brands, but the key to smooth sailing is finding compatibility between the client and the server, as the DLNA spec is notoriously loose and subject to many quirks. Also not all file types can be streamed to particular clients by particular servers. Your Blu-Ray player or your cell phone client might accept avi or mp4 files from your DLNA server, but not mkv files for example. But a different server might succeed at streaming mkv files, or it might be able to transcode them on-the-fly to a compatible file type if it knows what type of clients you have.
post #13746 of 16454
I am looking for some advice on which Blu-ray player to purchase for a new media room setup. It will have the following:

Panasonic 65VT50 plasma
Denon 3312
Triad speakers setup for 7.1
URC R40 remote
Apple TV


Essentially, I am trying to determine what advantages the Oppo BDP-93 offers over the Panasonic DMP-BDT500 and DMP-BDT220 given my setup, and then whether those advantages are worth $250-400. It appears that I would need to get the BDT500 to get dual HDMI so I can connect one HDMI directly to the AVR and one HDMI to the TV which appears to be the way to go, correct?

Right now, I currently plan to use the player for Blu-ray and some standard discs from Netflix. I intend to use the Apple TV for streaming when it's setup, so if one of the players offered streaming services in addition to the Apple TV, that would be a factor to consider.

Any advice or input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Edited by Bucky24 - 7/23/12 at 8:20pm
post #13747 of 16454
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Originally Posted by Bucky24 View Post

I am looking for some advice on which Blu-ray player to purchase for a new media room setup. It will have the following:

Panasonic 65VT50 plasma
Denon 3312
Triad speakers setup for 7.1
URC R40 remote
Apple TV


Essentially, I am trying to determine what advantages the Oppo BDP-93 offers over the Panasonic DMP-BDT500 and DMP-BDT220 given my setup, and then whether those advantages are worth $250-400. It appears that I would need to get the BDT500 to get dual HDMI so I can connect one HDMI directly to the AVR and one HDMI to the TV which appears to be the way to go, correct?

Right now, I currently plan to use the player for Blu-ray and some standard discs from Netflix. I intend to use the Apple TV for streaming when it's setup, so if one of the players offered streaming services in addition to the Apple TV, that would be a factor to consider.

Any advice or input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
With your receiver you don't need the multichannel analog outs of either the Oppo or Panny 500, you Would use HDMI bitstreamed for the HD codecs. Your AVR will also support 3D so no need for the dual HDMI's of either the 500 or 93, just one HDMI to the Denon and one from the Denon to the TV. The 220 is all you need.
post #13748 of 16454
I'm looking for a player that can play movies from my hp media smart home server and stream Netflix in 5.1 on a 120" screen. I have Ethernet ran to the location so i don't need wifi built in.
Edited by snarks - 7/24/12 at 6:44am
post #13749 of 16454
I am looking to buy a player to play Blu-ray discs, SACDs, DVD-Audio discs. I am going to bitstream all audio/video into my reciever(Yamaha RX-A3000) therefor DACs on BD player will not be used. I have a dedicated DVD player running into dedicated VP(Crystalio II) so I don't need sophisticated video circuitry(i.e abt,hqv,qdeo etc..) I don't stream music or films and don't care for 3D at the moment.

I have these options, I have access to dealer/mfg pricing on these.

Pioneer BDP-52FD
Pioneer BDP-53FD

Denon BDP-1611UD
Denon BDP-2012UD

Marantz UD5005
Marantz UD7006

I am assuming Blu-ray 1080p24fps output on all of these should be equal. I have a few HDCD discs, I wonder if anyone of these will play HDCDs in HDCD? Please help me out with your opinions
post #13750 of 16454
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Originally Posted by uderman View Post

I am looking to buy a player to play Blu-ray discs, SACDs, DVD-Audio discs. I am going to bitstream all audio/video into my reciever(Yamaha RX-A3000) therefor DACs on BD player will not be used. I have a dedicated DVD player running into dedicated VP(Crystalio II) so I don't need sophisticated video circuitry(i.e abt,hqv,qdeo etc..) I don't stream music or films and don't care for 3D at the moment.
I have these options, I have access to dealer/mfg pricing on these.
Pioneer BDP-52FD
Pioneer BDP-53FD
Denon BDP-1611UD
Denon BDP-2012UD
Marantz UD5005
Marantz UD7006
I am assuming Blu-ray 1080p24fps output on all of these should be equal. I have a few HDCD discs, I wonder if anyone of these will play HDCDs in HDCD? Please help me out with your opinions

At that price range, you want the OPPO BDP-93. The precursor to the 93, the BDP-83 (which I own) can decode HDCD then LPCM to the A3000, or stream it to the A3000 if it is an HDCD capable receiver; the 83 also plays all of the formats you want (SACD, DVD-A), this capability is also obviously on the 93 and 95.

It does have very good DACs, but you can just use the HDMI connectors. If you want to use one player and use the Crystalio II, the Oppo 93 has dual HDMI outputs, one could go directly to the AVR (for sound?) and the other to the Crystalio for video. In the case of Bluray, you could just use the AVR connection for everything.

I can vouch for the durability of the 83, and there's more than a little example of the responsiveness and thoroughness of the customer support from the company.

Here's a link to the BDP-93 information, you should check out the Oppo 93 owners thread in this forum.
post #13751 of 16454
So, I peruse these threads all the time because it seems like the community here knows pretty much about everything.

So after all my searching and trying to compare stuff on my own I thought I'd ask the pros.

I need a blu-ray player that supports 3d (upconverts 2d to 3d if possible, but not mandatory) and it MUST be able to stream movies (mp4's and mkv's) from my networked PC.

Wifi isnt required... ill probably have it wired in any case.

Price being the major constraint would also have to be under 200 US dollars.

what matters to me is picture quality (and no stuttering!) followed closely by ease of use. I hate having to navigate for 30 seconds to stream my media on my current player.

Im using a vizio 55" 3d tv (M3D550SR) and any help/advice would be greatly appreciated from you guys! thanks in advance!
post #13752 of 16454
Sony S590 would be a good place to start your research.

S~
post #13753 of 16454
My brother is looking for a player and since his funds are limited he really can't afford the BDP-93 at the moment. He's looking at the following.......
Sony BDP-S590
Panasonic BDP310 or BDP320
What do you guys think? Are there any other options that may be better?
post #13754 of 16454
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Originally Posted by Scooby06 View Post

My brother is looking for a player and since his funds are limited he really can't afford the BDP-93 at the moment. He's looking at the following.......
Sony BDP-S590
Panasonic BDP310 or BDP320
What do you guys think? Are there any other options that may be better?

Sony 590 if he has a 3D display (or plans to get one), 390 if no need for 3D. Should also consider the Panny 220 (3D). If you scan the posts, those are the most popular (for good reason) of the less expensice models (south of the Oppos).
post #13755 of 16454
So i was looking and some reviews were saying that the sony s570 cant stream very many video formats, such as mkv or mp4. is this true because that would sadly be a huge deal-breaker...

these reviews were dated last september but the latest firmware is older than that, being august of last year.
post #13756 of 16454
Why are you looking at an outdated player? It is two generations old? 590 is the current model.

S~
post #13757 of 16454
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Why are you looking at an outdated player? It is two generations old? 590 is the current model.
S~

well crap, somehow i accidentally started looking at reviews for 570 not the 590.

please forgive my momentary (hopefully) stupidity!

the 590 looks pretty solid. do you know if it "remembers" your PC or dlna server so you dont have to reselect it every time?
post #13758 of 16454
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Originally Posted by kurnis View Post

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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Why are you looking at an outdated player? It is two generations old? 590 is the current model.
S~

well crap, somehow i accidentally started looking at reviews for 570 not the 590.

please forgive my momentary (hopefully) stupidity!

the 590 looks pretty solid. do you know if it "remembers" your PC or dlna server so you dont have to reselect it every time?

Yes, it does.

Note, however, that the most recent firmware update for the 590 is much more strict about the type of audio format information that must be provided by the DLNA server. See the 390/590 thread for details.
post #13759 of 16454
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

At that price range, you want the OPPO BDP-93. The precursor to the 93, the BDP-83 (which I own) can decode HDCD then LPCM to the A3000, or stream it to the A3000 if it is an HDCD capable receiver; the 83 also plays all of the formats you want (SACD, DVD-A), this capability is also obviously on the 93 and 95.
It does have very good DACs, but you can just use the HDMI connectors. If you want to use one player and use the Crystalio II, the Oppo 93 has dual HDMI outputs, one could go directly to the AVR (for sound?) and the other to the Crystalio for video. In the case of Bluray, you could just use the AVR connection for everything.
I can vouch for the durability of the 83, and there's more than a little example of the responsiveness and thoroughness of the customer support from the company.
Here's a link to the BDP-93 information, you should check out the Oppo 93 owners thread in this forum.

I want to buy one of these in the list above. I get MFG/Dealer pricing so they are cheaper than OPPO.

Pioneer 52 and 53, Marantz 5005, Denon 1611 are considerably cheaper. Anyone have any experience with these?
post #13760 of 16454
Will the Sony 790 do the following for me ?

  • Easily access and play movies files stored HTPC or HP mediasmart server
  • Stream netflix in 5.1
  • Upconvert DVD's and compressed movie files stored on my HTPC/Server so they are viewable on a 120" screen

If not any suggestions ?
post #13761 of 16454
there a general consensus on which player has the best upconverter ?
post #13762 of 16454
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Originally Posted by snarks View Post

there a general consensus on which player has the best upconverter ?

At what price?
post #13763 of 16454
Snarks,

Your questions about the 790 might be best asked there. However, my impression is that the answers to your questions are all "yes" except that netflix does not provide 5.1 audio for most of its streamed movies. My impression also is that the 790 has the best upscaling features.
post #13764 of 16454
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

At what price?

$0-500
post #13765 of 16454
I would like to know which player sounds better with standard CDs: Marantz UD5005 or Marantz CD6004 and by how much?

I like the versatility and a bigger format choice that the UD5005 provides, but on the other hand the CD6004 is an audio-dedicated player...

Thanks.
post #13766 of 16454
If you use a digital connection, any difference in sound can only be due to a defect in one (or both) of the players.
Strictly speaking, the same is true if you use an analog connection. However, "expectation bias" often provides more enjoyment when you know that the source material is playing through high quality components.
post #13767 of 16454
We have never had blu-ray and want to get on the bandwagon. We've always had good results with Panny DVD players and want to stick with them.

Aside from 3D (don't have it, don't want it)...is there any reason to choose the 320 over the 220. It's not much of a difference cost-wise ($30 to $40) and normally I would certainly go for the new model...but that remote on the 320 just seems like it is a step backwards. I like to be able to "finger my remotes in the dark by feel". So that's why the question.

Also...upconversion. That's the big point for us. We have many old DVD's and are not likely to upgrade them. Is the upconversion the same between the 220 and 320?

Thanks in advance.
post #13768 of 16454
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Originally Posted by CraniumNY View Post

We have never had blu-ray and want to get on the bandwagon. We've always had good results with Panny DVD players and want to stick with them.
Aside from 3D (don't have it, don't want it)...is there any reason to choose the 320 over the 220. It's not much of a difference cost-wise ($30 to $40) and normally I would certainly go for the new model...but that remote on the 320 just seems like it is a step backwards. I like to be able to "finger my remotes in the dark by feel". So that's why the question.
Also...upconversion. That's the big point for us. We have many old DVD's and are not likely to upgrade them. Is the upconversion the same between the 220 and 320?
Thanks in advance.

The dirrferences between the 220/320 are the remote and the slot loading drive on the 320. Everything else is identical: PQ, AQ, etc.

S~
post #13769 of 16454
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

The dirrferences between the 220/320 are the remote and the slot loading drive on the 320. Everything else is identical: PQ, AQ, etc.
S~
And CraniumNY, both are the "new" models (ie, from 2012). The 2011 models were the 110, 210, and 310.
post #13770 of 16454
I'm shopping for a BluRay player with keyboard capability. I've looked at the Sony NSZ GT1, which has a small Querty on the oversize remote. A little too expensive and hard to manage the keyboard. I haven't found any others.

My bother just installed a Samsung E5900 and was able to add a Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse. The USB dongle simply plugged into the front panel, and no extra software was required. It worked pretty well, but pretty slow compared with modern PCs. Strangely, the keyboard capability is not mentioned on the manufacturer's web site or general advertising, but in the user manual with the machine. The salesman claimed this capability but, you know - - - - - .

So, my question is, do any of y'all know of a BDP of reasonable performance (like my Sony S770) with WiFi Internet access and easy keyboard adaptability?

Thanks,

TNtrucker
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