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post #14161 of 16478
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Any new player today wiill have Cinavia, it's part of the Blu-ray Organization's regulation.
Yes, I know that; I'm wondering if any premium 3D player was introduced and then "discontinued" before the Cinavia adoption deadline.
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Also it depends on what you mean as "converted home-made BD disc". 99% of the discs out there are NOT Cinavia encoded, 99% of the Cinavia encoded discs are Sony titles, 0% of Disney titles -- so far -- is Cinavia encoded, your home movies converted into BD disc will not be affected at all.
I know too that there are only a couple of my converted discs (where I've changed "hearing impaired" subtitles or adjusted subs for a 2.35 frame) that have Cinavia on them. So I'm just interested to know if there is any player e.g. the BDP-62FD that would enable me to keep only one BD player in my limited-space equipment rack.

Guess you're saying the Pioneer is not "the one".
post #14162 of 16478
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Originally Posted by Laserfan View Post

Yes, I know that; I'm wondering if any premium 3D player was introduced and then "discontinued" before the Cinavia adoption deadline.

Have you looked at the OPPO BDP-93 and -95? They were just recently replaced and OPPO has said they will never have Cinavia.

-Bill
post #14163 of 16478
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Originally Posted by Laserfan View Post

Yes, I know that; I'm wondering if any premium 3D player was introduced and then "discontinued" before the Cinavia adoption deadline.
I know too that there are only a couple of my converted discs (where I've changed "hearing impaired" subtitles or adjusted subs for a 2.35 frame) that have Cinavia on them. So I'm just interested to know if there is any player e.g. the BDP-62FD that would enable me to keep only one BD player in my limited-space equipment rack.
Guess you're saying the Pioneer is not "the one".

My apology for the convoluted answer. You are correct, the answer is no. AFAIK only Oppo BDP 93/95 that don't have Cinavia and can do 3D at the same time.
post #14164 of 16478
ok, I found some blu-ray players wich also contained SACD playback. I don't know if these are good players or not. Maybe some of you already have them:

Denon DBP-1611UD

Denon DBT-1713UD

Denon DBP-2011UDCI

Marantz UD5007

Marantz UD5005

Cambridge Audio Azur 650BD

Pioneer Elite BDP-62FD



I am liking the Denon players unless some of you think Denon is not a good company.
post #14165 of 16478
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

ok, I found some blu-ray players wich also contained SACD playback. I don't know if these are good players or not. Maybe some of you already have them:
Denon DBP-1611UD
Denon DBT-1713UD
Denon DBP-2011UDCI
Marantz UD5007
Marantz UD5005
Cambridge Audio Azur 650BD
Pioneer Elite BDP-62FD

I am liking the Denon players unless some of you think Denon is not a good company.

I mentioned this earlier in the thread that I have the Cambridge Audio Azur 751BD and am very happy with its performance. As well as the usual formats it does play SACD and DVD-A multi-channel. I think that the 751 is the most current model. Good luck with your search.
post #14166 of 16478
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

ok, I found some blu-ray players wich also contained SACD playback. I don't know if these are good players or not. Maybe some of you already have them:
Denon DBP-1611UD
Denon DBT-1713UD
Denon DBP-2011UDCI
Marantz UD5007
Marantz UD5005
Cambridge Audio Azur 650BD
Pioneer Elite BDP-62FD

I am liking the Denon players unless some of you think Denon is not a good company.

At that price range, I would go with the Oppo 103.
post #14167 of 16478
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

At that price range, I would go with the Oppo 103.


When you Oppo, is it safe to buy from Amazon.com?

Amazon.com is selling the Oppo 103 right now. Do Amazon.com back up on the warranty? If something goes wrong with the Oppo 103 and it does not work correctly, who will fix the problems?
post #14168 of 16478
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

At that price range, I would go with the Oppo 103.


When you Oppo, is it safe to buy from Amazon.com?

Amazon.com is selling the Oppo 103 right now. Do Amazon.com back up on the warranty? If something goes wrong with the Oppo 103 and it does not work correctly, who will fix the problems?

It comes with a 2 year warranty from OPPO when you buy from an authorized dealer like Amazon. OPPO does the service.

-Bill
post #14169 of 16478
In addition to the two year warranty, after the warranty expires Oppo offers a single flat rate repair policy. The longest I have kept an Oppo is five years but it was always comforting to know that if the player crapped out I would be able to get it fixed at a reasonable price.
post #14170 of 16478
Thanks again.
Yeah, none of those 3 players have 5.1/7.1 analog.
Just looked at this one: http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/DMP-BDT500?t=overview , and the same one on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DMP-BDT500-Integrated-Blu-ray-Player/dp/B00752R4QO

Any familiarity with this unit? Looks like it will cover my audio needs, but I'm unsure about the rest. It also seems to have a very limited list of compatible file types, eg, just mp4, mkv, flac. I don't know if it's an abbreviated list or that's really all it will play from dvd-roms, flash drives, and sd cards. Also no support for DVD-Audio or divx. Yeah, maybe not the best choice.

If we're looking at a player under, say, $350, with 5.1./7.1 multi channel analog connections with on-board decoding, strong DVD upscaling, and lots of video and audio file type support, do you or does anyone else have any suggestions?
I've looked through the forum and am a bit stumped. Lots of players are discontinued or outdated.
Edited by Erik Cacciatore - 11/8/12 at 6:19pm
post #14171 of 16478
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Originally Posted by Erik Cacciatore View Post

Thanks again.
Yeah, none of those 3 players have 5.1/7.1 analog.
Just looked at this one: http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/DMP-BDT500?t=overview , and the same one on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DMP-BDT500-Integrated-Blu-ray-Player/dp/B00752R4QO
Any familiarity with this unit? Looks like it will cover my audio needs, but I'm unsure about the rest. It also seems to have a very limited list of compatible file types, eg, just mp4, mkv, flac. I don't know if it's an abbreviated list or that's really all it will play from dvd-roms, flash drives, and sd cards. Also no support for DVD-Audio or divx. Yeah, maybe not the best choice.
If we're looking at a player under, say, $350, with 5.1./7.1 multi channel analog connections with on-board decoding, strong DVD upscaling, and lots of video and audio file type support, do you or does anyone else have any suggestions?
I've looked through the forum and am a bit stumped. Lots of players are discontinued or outdated.

I don't think you're missing much. The market has shifted in two distinct directions: cheap, commodity players loaded with lots of features (but not the more esoteric things like DVD audio and multi-channel analog outs) and high end speciality players. There is not a whole lot in in the middle. If you want everything on your list, I think you might as well cough up the extra $150 for an Oppo. I've never owned one myself, but they have a fabulous reputation for reliability, support and being full featured.

If you want to stick to your budget, I think you will need to compromise somewhere. DVD-Audio and multi-channel outputs will be the most difficult things to obtain in that budget range.

Not sure if you already have DVD-Audio discs in your collection or if you have a player already (I think you said this is your first BD player), but this would probably be a good feature to forgo because it's just not standard in most players and the format is dead (no new titles being created). Most DVD Audio discs are also compatible with DVD Video players (with audio of lesser resolution). Unless audiophile features are *really* important to you, I would suggest forgoing the analog outputs. Optical output from a BD disc will sound great, though it does not support lossless surround, very few people could actually distinguish between the two. The fact that you seem so concerned about compatibility with mkv and divx tells me that you probably can live fairly comfortably without lossless surround.

I would also suggest not obsessing about upscaling. How big is the screen on your WEGA? If less than 50" or so, I think you'll find that most players do just fine with upscaling at normal viewing distances. If you plan on getting a projector in the future that's a different story though.

If you want to be able to play every file format known to man from USB, you may want to get a dedicated streamer as well as a disc player as you mentioned in one of your previous posts. Among the more mainstream brands, LG will give you the most file formats in a BD player, but their players are buggy and unreliable so I would stay away (I just replaced two of them with Sonys myself).

If you're open to running a DLNA server on your computer, file format compatibility may not be such a huge issue if you get a Sony. I have the Sony BDP S590 and that teamed with Serviio will play most of the formats you mentioned including FLAC. This player does not support DVD-Audio or Divx but it does play SACD and it's priced very reasonably, leaving budget to get another device for digital file playback. If you want to be able to tweak the image when playing DVDs, you might want to step up to the Sony BDP S790 as the 590 is limited in terms of picture adjustments. With an easily obtainable player like this, you can always buy one locally at a place with a reasonable return policy and bring it back if you don't like the way it performs. The Panasonics also have good reputations for disc players, but as you discovered they're limited in terms of digital file format compatibility and are not known for local network playback (DLNA).
post #14172 of 16478
Vampidemic and hernanu, thank you both very much for all the detailed information. So glad I found this site.

Vampidemic, you've really helped me put a lot of things into proper perspective.
DVD-Audio? Right. I only have 3 DVD-A discs, and didn't realize the format had been discontinued. I occasionally find some DVD-A's on torrent sites, but as you said, they do play on one of my DVD players with lesser resolution.
And truth be told, my Onkyo DVD changer upscales my DVDs quite nicely. I noticed the improvement over DVD players I previously owned.
You and hernanu have both mentioned that it would be very difficult to tell the difference between true lossless and optical ouput, so that's good enough for me. It's not as if I have a true audiophile setup. So I can forgo those analog inputs.
MKV and DIVX are not specifically important to me, just part of the list of file formats I'd like to be able to play.
I do sometimes stumble upon a rare movie, unavailable on BR domestically, which has been ripped from BR in m2ts format (sometimes mkv), and I hope I'll be able to play these ripped BRs via one of these devices, whether burned to DVD-ROM, played from a storage device, or streamed.

And yes, the WEGA is only 36", I think, and I have no plans to get a projector.

The DLNA server is a new concept to me, or at least the term is. It sounds similar to TVersity (which I've used in the past) and the PS3 Media Server (which I currently use with my XBOX 360, enabling me to play--so far--every video file type I've tried. But there are multiple downsides: First, I'm not a fan of the 360's controls even after setting up my Harmony remote to take over; second, seeking and skipping are either spotty or nonexistent when using the PS3 MS; third, I get no thumbnails whatsoever; and fourth, the PS3 MS, since it's installed on the pc, will only provide playback and/or transcoding of files actually stored on the pc or my multiple hard drives. USB sticks connected to the 360 and ROM discs containing various video file types inserted in the 360 are still limited to the XBOX's native file support). Hmm, maybe a DLNA server will also be compatible with the Xbox, and make some improvements.

And that's what led me to the idea of an HD Media Server, such as the aforementioned Western Digital Live TV Hub (any thoughts on this unit--pros or cons?), and which partly led me to the idea of finally purchasing a Blu-Ray player, after reading about a lot of file support in various makes.

With the triple combo of a quality BR player, a media server, and a DLNA server, I think I'll be golden.

You asked if I was "open" to running a DLNA server. Is there a downside? Maybe resource intensive? I've looked over the Serviio site and it seems pretty straightforward. I'll be able to figure out how to open the ports in my firewall, and I've gone through the folder sharing process before with other apps. And folder monitoring sounds like a great feature.

My true goals are probably rather simple. Get a BR player so I can finally start buying BR discs; get as many files off of my pcs and hard drives as possible by storing them on USB flash drives, SD cards, and burning them to DVD-ROM so I can finally playback HD files on the TV without quality loss; and be able to stream the rest without worry that certain files won't be supported.

You say the Sony BDP S790 is a good choice (apparently more reliable with DLNA?), and it was in fact on my early short list. Its limited file type support won't matter once I have the dedicated and DLNA media servers, and I've had good luck with Sony over the years.

I'm curious about one thing though...How does the Sony S790 play SACDs without the 5.1 analog cables? I always thought that was the only way to playback SACD and multi-channel SACD. It's really not important (again, trying to put things in perspective), but I do wonder. With my current receiver, if I don't switch over to the 5.1 input, the SACDs only play the redbook layer (when hybrid).

So what do you think?
I'll plan on going with the Sony BDP S790 (or if my budget constraints change then definitely an Oppo), the WD Live TV Hub, and a DLNA server. Sound good?
post #14173 of 16478
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Have you looked at the OPPO BDP-93 and -95? They were just recently replaced and OPPO has said they will never have Cinavia.
-Bill
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

My apology for the convoluted answer. You are correct, the answer is no. AFAIK only Oppo BDP 93/95 that don't have Cinavia and can do 3D at the same time.
Thanks you guys--I had looked at the Oppo 83 but for some unknown reason the 93/95 slipped past my tired brain. redface.gif

Which of the 93/95 might be "preferred" do you know? It seems to me that somewhere I read that Oppo's "upgrade" from the 83 to the 93 (or was it 95?) was not such a good thing. Guess I'd have to seriously deplete my wallet in either case...
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post #14174 of 16478
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Originally Posted by Laserfan View Post

Thanks you guys--I had looked at the Oppo 83 but for some unknown reason the 93/95 slipped past my tired brain. redface.gif

Which of the 93/95 might be "preferred" do you know? It seems to me that somewhere I read that Oppo's "upgrade" from the 83 to the 93 (or was it 95?) was not such a good thing. Guess I'd have to seriously deplete my wallet in either case...
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The BDP-95 is the audiophile upgrade for those who still need analog output. For HDMI they are the same.

More here: How is the BDP-93 different from the BDP-95?

-Bill
post #14175 of 16478
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Originally Posted by Erik Cacciatore View Post

You and hernanu have both mentioned that it would be very difficult to tell the difference between true lossless and optical ouput, so that's good enough for me. It's not as if I have a true audiophile setup. So I can forgo those analog inputs.

Well, I can tell a difference, but it is not large, and only you can decide if it's worthwhile. I have a good number of DVD-A's and SACD's, along with both HD-DVD and Bluray concerts. In these, I can tell a difference, so an Oppo is worth it to me here. In watching movies, I can still tell the difference, but it is much less of an issue. It's really a personal preference and seems to me to be most noticeable in playing music both recorded and in concerts.
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Originally Posted by Erik Cacciatore View Post

MKV and DIVX are not specifically important to me, just part of the list of file formats I'd like to be able to play.
I do sometimes stumble upon a rare movie, unavailable on BR domestically, which has been ripped from BR in m2ts format (sometimes mkv), and I hope I'll be able to play these ripped BRs via one of these devices, whether burned to DVD-ROM, played from a storage device, or streamed.
And yes, the WEGA is only 36", I think, and I have no plans to get a projector.
The DLNA server is a new concept to me, or at least the term is. It sounds similar to TVersity (which I've used in the past) and the PS3 Media Server (which I currently use with my XBOX 360, enabling me to play--so far--every video file type I've tried. But there are multiple downsides: First, I'm not a fan of the 360's controls even after setting up my Harmony remote to take over; second, seeking and skipping are either spotty or nonexistent when using the PS3 MS; third, I get no thumbnails whatsoever; and fourth, the PS3 MS, since it's installed on the pc, will only provide playback and/or transcoding of files actually stored on the pc or my multiple hard drives. USB sticks connected to the 360 and ROM discs containing various video file types inserted in the 360 are still limited to the XBOX's native file support). Hmm, maybe a DLNA server will also be compatible with the Xbox, and make some improvements.
And that's what led me to the idea of an HD Media Server, such as the aforementioned Western Digital Live TV Hub (any thoughts on this unit--pros or cons?), and which partly led me to the idea of finally purchasing a Blu-Ray player, after reading about a lot of file support in various makes.
With the triple combo of a quality BR player, a media server, and a DLNA server, I think I'll be golden.
You asked if I was "open" to running a DLNA server. Is there a downside? Maybe resource intensive? I've looked over the Serviio site and it seems pretty straightforward. I'll be able to figure out how to open the ports in my firewall, and I've gone through the folder sharing process before with other apps. And folder monitoring sounds like a great feature.
My true goals are probably rather simple. Get a BR player so I can finally start buying BR discs; get as many files off of my pcs and hard drives as possible by storing them on USB flash drives, SD cards, and burning them to DVD-ROM so I can finally playback HD files on the TV without quality loss; and be able to stream the rest without worry that certain files won't be supported.
You say the Sony BDP S790 is a good choice (apparently more reliable with DLNA?), and it was in fact on my early short list. Its limited file type support won't matter once I have the dedicated and DLNA media servers, and I've had good luck with Sony over the years.
I'm curious about one thing though...How does the Sony S790 play SACDs without the 5.1 analog cables? I always thought that was the only way to playback SACD and multi-channel SACD. It's really not important (again, trying to put things in perspective), but I do wonder. With my current receiver, if I don't switch over to the 5.1 input, the SACDs only play the redbook layer (when hybrid).
So what do you think?
I'll plan on going with the Sony BDP S790 (or if my budget constraints change then definitely an Oppo), the WD Live TV Hub, and a DLNA server. Sound good?

On the SACD front, in addition to analog, you can play back the DSD signal to a DSD capable AVR through HDMI (stereo and multi channel), but you lack that. The other way to get the signal through s/pdif is by DSD to PCM conversion at the player, so if you go with digital connections, you'll have to rely on that; the SACD spec prevents transmission of DSD over digital (copy protection). You might ask on the S790 discussion about any frequency downsampling that is done in that conversion in that player (if any). That may be your only consideration in going to digital.

There is no downside to a DLNA server IMO, just some irritation if the player side interface to your server is more primitive. I usually use my player on random mode, or go to a playlist. Depending on the server, you can find one that does transcoding and would let you play lossless stereo or multi channel sound from FLAC files to your player. The Oppo players (9X and 10X, the 8X do not) transcode the FLAC files locally, with other players, they may require the FLAC translation to be done at the server.
Edited by hernanu - 11/9/12 at 9:23am
post #14176 of 16478
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Originally Posted by JaHuh View Post

My Sony 550 has died and I'm looking for a replacement with 7.1 analogue out as I have an older Rotel RSX-1056 amp. I'am thinking about CA 751BD as a possible replacement because I want a universal player with good audio quality. Idea is also to replace my CD player at the same time. Do you think that CA is still a good buy? What other players I should consider? Oppo 105 is a bit pricey for my taste and $1000 is definitely the max I am willing to pay for a player.

I couldn't a get a good deal for OPPO 95 as no local dealer here has OPPO. One of the local dealers has CA products and he was able to give me good deal on CA 751BD so I decided to buy the CA 751BD as a replacement.
post #14177 of 16478
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Originally Posted by JaHuh View Post

I couldn't a get a good deal for OPPO 95 as no local dealer here has OPPO. One of the local dealers has CA products and he was able to give me good deal on CA 751BD so I decided to buy the CA 751BD as a replacement.

You will not be disappointed. I am very happy with mine.
post #14178 of 16478
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Originally Posted by JaHuh View Post

I couldn't a get a good deal for OPPO 95 as no local dealer here has OPPO. One of the local dealers has CA products and he was able to give me good deal on CA 751BD so I decided to buy the CA 751BD as a replacement.

Except for occasional sale of refurbished units, there are never any deals on Oppo players. Oppo players are sold by all sellers at the MSRP and that's it.
post #14179 of 16478
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Originally Posted by Erik Cacciatore View Post

The DLNA server is a new concept to me, or at least the term is. It sounds similar to TVersity (which I've used in the past) and the PS3 Media Server (which I currently use with my XBOX 360, enabling me to play--so far--every video file type I've tried. But there are multiple downsides: First, I'm not a fan of the 360's controls even after setting up my Harmony remote to take over; second, seeking and skipping are either spotty or nonexistent when using the PS3 MS; third, I get no thumbnails whatsoever; and fourth, the PS3 MS, since it's installed on the pc, will only provide playback and/or transcoding of files actually stored on the pc or my multiple hard drives. USB sticks connected to the 360 and ROM discs containing various video file types inserted in the 360 are still limited to the XBOX's native file support). Hmm, maybe a DLNA server will also be compatible with the Xbox, and make some improvements.
And that's what led me to the idea of an HD Media Server, such as the aforementioned Western Digital Live TV Hub (any thoughts on this unit--pros or cons?), and which partly led me to the idea of finally purchasing a Blu-Ray player, after reading about a lot of file support in various makes.
With the triple combo of a quality BR player, a media server, and a DLNA server, I think I'll be golden.
You asked if I was "open" to running a DLNA server. Is there a downside? Maybe resource intensive? I've looked over the Serviio site and it seems pretty straightforward. I'll be able to figure out how to open the ports in my firewall, and I've gone through the folder sharing process before with other apps. And folder monitoring sounds like a great feature.
My true goals are probably rather simple. Get a BR player so I can finally start buying BR discs; get as many files off of my pcs and hard drives as possible by storing them on USB flash drives, SD cards, and burning them to DVD-ROM so I can finally playback HD files on the TV without quality loss; and be able to stream the rest without worry that certain files won't be supported.
You say the Sony BDP S790 is a good choice (apparently more reliable with DLNA?), and it was in fact on my early short list. Its limited file type support won't matter once I have the dedicated and DLNA media servers, and I've had good luck with Sony over the years.
I'm curious about one thing though...How does the Sony S790 play SACDs without the 5.1 analog cables? I always thought that was the only way to playback SACD and multi-channel SACD. It's really not important (again, trying to put things in perspective), but I do wonder. With my current receiver, if I don't switch over to the 5.1 input, the SACDs only play the redbook layer (when hybrid).
So what do you think?
I'll plan on going with the Sony BDP S790 (or if my budget constraints change then definitely an Oppo), the WD Live TV Hub, and a DLNA server. Sound good?

TVersity and PS3 Media Server are DLNA servers. In regard to the "downside" of DLNA servers, some people don't want to keep their computer running or don't like the idea of having to install software to serve up content. Also, since the Sony requires DLNA/UPnP to play content from a NAS device, any such devices you want to use would need to support UPnP or allow you to install a DLNA server. Use of computer resources shouldn't be a concern except when you have content that needs to have video transcoded as opposed to just being remuxed or played natively.

The Sony won't require as many files to be transcoded as your Xbox, so you should have a better experience overall (video quality should be better in some cases). However, you may encounter some issues and limitations with seeking as you noted. When using Serviio to transcode FLAC to PCM, seek will not work (it plays a loud digital noise) the only workaround is to modify the Serviio to transcode FLAC to MP3 which kind of defeats the point of having lossless, so there's that limitation. Most of my content I use on my player is MPEG2 content captured from cable --- the Sony handles this well, but seek operation are kind of awkward -- not smooth like when using a disc, but still functional. Sony's DLNA implementation does not support thumbnails for video or music content, but it's reliable, they support the most common file formats and codecs in use today, the player can wake up computers from sleep when the computer is set appropriately and the Sony players support being used as a DLNA render (so for example you can get a DLNA app on a smart phone and use it to initiate playback on your BD player). LG players can play thumbnails and can be used with CIFS/SMB under some circumstances but the DLNA is so horribly buggy on the players I have owned that it's almost useless, with constant errors and often video playback problems. I haven't used the Panasonic players, but they don't have a good reputation for network playback in general.

You made a good point about SACDs. I didn't really think through that because I normally use HDMI with my players rather than optical. However, I tested with a 5.1 SACD today over optical in my BDP S-590 and it played it in stereo -- which I believe is true of all SACD players. So the SACD capability wouldn't be of much value unless you were to acquire an HDMI capable receiver.

With those limitations understood, overall I think your plan of getting the BDP-S790 and a dedicated streamer is a good one based on your description of how you intend to use the player and your budget considerations. Can't help much with the advice for the streamer myself as I haven't used many of those devices. I have a Roku, but I mainly use that for streaming services, it's much more limited than the Sony when it comes to playback of local media.
post #14180 of 16478
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

The BDP-95 is the audiophile upgrade for those who still need analog output. For HDMI they are the same.
More here: How is the BDP-93 different from the BDP-95?
-Bill
OMG what a great web page--thanks Bill!
post #14181 of 16478
Hi All,

Need to replace the blu-ray player in our family room. I don't have surround sound hooked up here (nor will I anytime soon) as the home theater is set up in the basement. Needs to have built-in wifi to avoid running any cords and also have to be able to stream Netflix. Inevitably it will be taking some abuse from the kids popping Blu-rays in and out so not looking for anything high-end. Reading through some reviews online I'm not sure what I need. Ideally would like to keep it around $100 or so but happy to spend another $30-50 if needed.

Thanks,

Chris
post #14182 of 16478
Hi guys.

Looking for a 3D Bluray player that doesn't have Cinevia. I saw you guys mention the Oppo 93/95 but these seem hard to find now. Does anyone know where to get them in Canada? Also whats up with the region free versions on ebay?

Anything else other then the Oppo that will do 3D and not have Cinevia or a player that you can modify firmware or something to get it working?

Just need a basic player. Don't care too much for upscaling, media playback, etc.
post #14183 of 16478
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

Hi guys.

Looking for a 3D Bluray player that doesn't have Cinevia. I saw you guys mention the Oppo 93/95 but these seem hard to find now. Does anyone know where to get them in Canada? Also whats up with the region free versions on ebay

Multi-region on OPPO: for Blu-ray you need a hardware mod. Most people get a kit and do it themselves. One type requires opening the case, another uses USB and the RS232 port.

For DVD there is a free software patch. Unsupported but it works well.

-Bill
post #14184 of 16478
Looks like the LG BD660 is capable of 3D bluray playback and is Cinavia free.

also....

Pioneer BDP-140 is 3D and Cinavia free.

Anyone have any experience with these players? They are both 129.99
post #14185 of 16478
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

Looks like the LG BD660 is capable of 3D bluray playback and is Cinavia free.

also....

Pioneer BDP-140 is 3D and Cinavia free.

Anyone have any experience with these players? They are both 129.99

The BD660 is a discontinued 2011 model. I had the BD670 which is similar and I would not recommend it. The drive mechanisms in these players seem to fail frequently and LG has horrible quality control issues with their software updates. DLNA functionality is buggy and unreliable. File format support is pretty good and the players can play PAL and NTSC discs (though they are not region free).

All players designed after February 2012 will have Cinavia, so IMO you might as well learn to deal with it. Current Sony players only enforce Cinavia on discs based on reports in the BDP-S390/590 thread.
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Hi guys.
Looking for a 3D Bluray player that doesn't have Cinevia. I saw you guys mention the Oppo 93/95 but these seem hard to find now. Does anyone know where to get them in Canada? Also whats up with the region free versions on ebay?
Anything else other then the Oppo that will do 3D and not have Cinevia or a player that you can modify firmware or something to get it working?
Just need a basic player. Don't care too much for upscaling, media playback, etc.

I believe the Sony BDP-S570 remains free of cinavia and is capable of 3D & streaming. You would have to track down a used one, but they are out there.
The BDP-S580 was clean when introduced, but a firmware update included cinavia processing to identify the cinavia modified audio information on a disc.
No matter what player you select, you will have to be very careful about applying firmware updates in case the manufacturer decides to shove cinavia at you unannounced.
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Is there really that much of a difference from a Samsung or Panasonic blu ray player ($200) to a Oppo BDP-103 ($500)? is the picture that much better?

I don't need wifi, 3D or anything like that. I have a 3D Samsung tv and blu ray player now and honestly have watched 1 3D movie. The glasses bother me and its really not for me. I am in the process of re-wiring and upgrading my home setup. I live in a small town and there isn't any stores that sell higher quality gear. There is a Wal-Mart and Sears here and I don't shop at either for my home theater or electronics. I do most of my research on here and rely on your opinions. My fiance and I really enjoy watching movies together. This should be mentioned also, I am currently running a Onkyo 7.2 reciever (not sure if I'm upgrading this or keeping it).
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Is there really that much of a difference from a Samsung or Panasonic blu ray player ($200) to a Oppo BDP-103 ($500)? is the picture that much better?

Blu-ray performance will be very similar among all players. Time spent on calibrating the display will make a bigger improvement than changing players.

-Bill
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Blu-ray performance will be very similar among all players. Time spent on calibrating the display will make a bigger improvement than changing players.
-Bill

So I'm good with what I have already? I should just invest in a calibration disc now? I've had my tv adjusted by the installer but I think it can get a little better still.

Why would someone choose a Oppo over a Samsung/LG/Panasonic then? When you could buy 2 of those for the price of one. Is it like picking a Corvette over a GEO?
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Blu-ray performance will be very similar among all players. Time spent on calibrating the display will make a bigger improvement than changing players.
-Bill

So I'm good with what I have already? I should just invest in a calibration disc now? I've had my tv adjusted by the installer but I think it can get a little better still.

Why would someone choose a Oppo over a Samsung/LG/Panasonic then? When you could buy 2 of those for the price of one. Is it like picking a Corvette over a GEO?

Oppo players have a number of specialty features not found on many other players: high quality upscaling, Multi channel audio outputs, dual HDMI outputs, support for SACD and DVD-Audio disc formats, support for many digital file formats, eSATA, etc. They also have a great reputation for high quality products and support. However, they are not for everybody.
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