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post #14191 of 16479
Thank you for the response. I have a few blu ray players around my house and my friends want to buy a couple. There is one in each bedroom but they never get used. With the money I was thinking about stepping up to the big boy players.

So with the multi channel audio, will it have better sound through my Onkyo receiver? Or does that not change anything
post #14192 of 16479
It depends on how old your receiver is. If your Onkyo has HDMI inputs, it won't change anything. If you were using optical/coax, then you will get slightly better sound with analog.
post #14193 of 16479
Remember that receivers cannot apply digital processing to their multi-channel analog inputs. This means that Audyssey room equalization (which is included in most Onkyo receivers) cannot be used with them. In most cases, room EQ substantially improves the quality of the sound you hear when compared to direct analog signals. Room EQ can be applied to digital inputs (HDMI as well as optical and coax S/PDIF) and to stereo analog inputs.
post #14194 of 16479
Yep. I think the bottom line is use analog only if you have no other choice. Current players with a full set of analog outs exist pretty much just for the folks with legacy receivers. "Stepping up" to older technology is not a good move in this case. Rather, step up for more/better features and performance. Put that $300+ extra you'll pay for a high end player into speakers or a better receiver. Any player you get will be obsolete in a few years anyway, but speakers and amps won't.
post #14195 of 16479
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

Thank you for the response. I have a few blu ray players around my house and my friends want to buy a couple. There is one in each bedroom but they never get used. With the money I was thinking about stepping up to the big boy players.
So with the multi channel audio, will it have better sound through my Onkyo receiver? Or does that not change anything

Analog is really only if you have a legacy receiver that doesn't take HDMI for sound input; this lets you have the best sound possible without upgrading a receiver you might love. As Selden Ball mentions, this usually means you bypass the room correction that most modern receivers include, so you need to do those by hand at the player.

I have an older Oppo (BDP-83, bought three years ago), and used it with analog sound for the first year, since my old receiver didn't have HDMI inputs that were interpreted for sound. As soon as I changed to an HDMI 1.4 capable receiver, I switched to HDMI only, since the sound is the same (mostly, unless you have a real high end analog system).

As to why go with an Oppo, I bought one for several reasons - the loading time then was the fastest possible, the DVD (not bluray) upconversion quality was (and remains) the best available, the firmware updates I've gotten over the years have not only fixed problems with both the unit and with discs that wouldn't play, but also put in brand new features (DLNA for example) that other players took until last year to implement. They also are very responsive if you have a problem - you talk to a real person very quickly, or get an email response on a sunday night. They support their players for a long time - my 83 was superseded by the BDP-93 in 2010, but I still get firmware updates and expect to keep getting problem fixes if there's an issue. I havent had a problem, but if you do, if they don't fix it for free (which they have done sometimes even out of warranty), then they have a fee of about $70 to fix the player.

The firmware updates, both to fix bugs and put in new features have kept me up to date even though my player is two generations behind. The new players (BDP-103, 105) are not only the usual type of players, but have features that let you put other devices (cable box, streaming device, PC, ???) into the Oppo for video or sound processing. Again new features that may not be worth it to you, but are to me.

For me, it was worth the extra $200, especially since if I decide to sell mine even three years later, I can still do so now for about 350-400.
post #14196 of 16479
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

It depends on how old your receiver is. If your Onkyo has HDMI inputs, it won't change anything. If you were using optical/coax, then you will get slightly better sound with analog.

Thanks everyone for your responses.

I have a newer Onkyo receiver. It has all HDMI inputs.

One thing that bothers me with my Samsung blu ray player is, when I turn it off. It changes the "source input" on my TV.
post #14197 of 16479
Upconverting for me isn't a concern. I sold all my DVD's and only buy blu ray movies. The load up time for my current player takes up to a couple mins for some movies. Doesn't bother me, but its annoying watching the load up bar take so long. It may just be the movie.
post #14198 of 16479
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

Thanks everyone for your responses.
I have a newer Onkyo receiver. It has all HDMI inputs.
One thing that bothers me with my Samsung blu ray player is, when I turn it off. It changes the "source input" on my TV.
You can easily fix that by turning off anynet+ in your player. All players will do that if you let them.

If you want faster loading/performance, go for something like a sony 790.
post #14199 of 16479
Hernanu and Vampidemic, I still have a Sony DVD changer that has 5.1 analog for SACD (the NC555ES), so I guess I'll keep that hooked up. I was thinking if a new BR player could handle it as well, then I'd be able to disconnect a device. But no worries.
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Originally Posted by Vampidemic View Post

TVersity and PS3 Media Server are DLNA servers. In regard to the "downside" of DLNA servers, some people don't want to keep their computer running or don't like the idea of having to install software to serve up content. Also, since the Sony requires DLNA/UPnP to play content from a NAS device, any such devices you want to use would need to support UPnP or allow you to install a DLNA server. Use of computer resources shouldn't be a concern except when you have content that needs to have video transcoded as opposed to just being remuxed or played natively.

My laptop and desktop are on 24/7, essentially, so no worries there.
And I found this: "The WD TV Live Hub media center also is a media server: HD video, music and photos can be streamed from the onboard hard drive to any DLNA/UPnP-compatible TV or multimedia device, anywhere in the connected home, including the WD TV Live Plus HD media player, connected TVs, Blu-ray Disc™ players, Xbox 360®, and PlayStation® 3 game consoles. Users also can stream content from their WD TV Live Hub media center to iPads™, iPhones® or Android™ smartphones using third-party applications."
So I think it sounds ok.
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Originally Posted by Vampidemic View Post

Sony's DLNA implementation does not support thumbnails for video or music content...With those limitations understood, overall I think your plan of getting the BDP-S790 and a dedicated streamer is a good one based on your description of how you intend to use the player and your budget considerations. Can't help much with the advice for the streamer myself as I haven't used many of those devices.

No thumbnails is a drag, but oh well. Can't have everything.
I wonder if there's a way to create video playlists on the pc, and direct the S790 to them.
post #14200 of 16479
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Originally Posted by Erik Cacciatore View Post

No thumbnails is a drag, but oh well. Can't have everything.
I wonder if there's a way to create video playlists on the pc, and direct the S790 to them.

Yes, Serviio supports playlists such as M3U files and I can play them on my Sony players. I'm sure other DLNA servers have this feature as well.
Edited by Vampidemic - 11/13/12 at 11:19pm
post #14201 of 16479
Hello Community!

First time poster here. Ive been through many posts here but still havent found what im looking for.

I need a Blu Ray Player which streams (mkv etc) natively and has a front LCD/VFD which shows track number or title when playing Audio CDs. I had the LG670 which does a great Job on streaming my media right from a Seagate NAS (incl full HD mkv with dual audio) but lacks the mentioned LCD/VFD Display. I had to send it back because the drive started to make unusual high noise when reading discs and suddenly stopped reading every 2nd disc i used. So its gone now and i have time to rethink.

I like the Sony 480/780. Is the firmware update mandatory or can i skip it. I read on some place that if you dont upgrade, you are unable to use ´network features. Is that true? That would be an absolute no go as the firmware update practically removes the easy stream function it had before afaik.

Thanks for your comments and hints!

Rufus
post #14202 of 16479
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Originally Posted by Rufus77 View Post

I like the Sony 480/780. Is the firmware update mandatory or can i skip it. I read on some place that if you dont upgrade, you are unable to use ´network features. Is that true? That would be an absolute no go as the firmware update practically removes the easy stream function it had before afaik.
Thanks for your comments and hints!
Rufus
Not true. Just use the Bravia TV profile in serviio instead to restore full functionality. Why the interest in an obsolete model anyway?
post #14203 of 16479
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

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Originally Posted by Rufus77 View Post

I like the Sony 480/780. Is the firmware update mandatory or can i skip it. I read on some place that if you dont upgrade, you are unable to use ´network features. Is that true? That would be an absolute no go as the firmware update practically removes the easy stream function it had before afaik.
Thanks for your comments and hints!
Rufus
Not true. Just use the Bravia TV profile in serviio instead to restore full functionality. Why the interest in an obsolete model anyway?

I'm not sure about the 2011 models, but the 2012 Sony models definitely will reduce functionality in some cases until an update is installed. Not sure if this impacts DLNA, but it can prevent streaming services from working until an update is installed. However, Sony seems to QA their updates well. They're not like LG, constantly breaking basic functions in their software updates.
post #14204 of 16479
That's right, if you don't update, you can't stream. I was referring to the update itself breaking streaming. Not sure why anyone would want to avoid updates if all they do is stream. Cinavia has no effect on file streaming, only a tiny number of pirated discs.
post #14205 of 16479
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Originally Posted by Vampidemic View Post

Yes, Serviio supports playlists such as M3U files and I can play them on my Sony players. I'm sure other DLNA servers have this feature as well.

Oh, very cool. What do you use to make video playlists?
I imagine Windows Media Player might be common, but I try to avoid using it. My default video player is Zoom Player, though I am open to using anything else if Zoom playlists (.zpl) are unlikely to be supported.
post #14206 of 16479
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Originally Posted by Erik Cacciatore View Post

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Originally Posted by Vampidemic View Post

Yes, Serviio supports playlists such as M3U files and I can play them on my Sony players. I'm sure other DLNA servers have this feature as well.

Oh, very cool. What do you use to make video playlists?
I imagine Windows Media Player might be common, but I try to avoid using it. My default video player is Zoom Player, though I am open to using anything else if Zoom playlists (.zpl) are unlikely to be supported.

VLC can create the playlists. It has a drag and drop interface, very easy to use.
post #14207 of 16479
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Originally Posted by Vampidemic View Post

VLC can create the playlists. It has a drag and drop interface, very easy to use.

Perfect, thank you!
post #14208 of 16479
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Not true. Just use the Bravia TV profile in serviio instead to restore full functionality. Why the interest in an obsolete model anyway?

Thanks guys! smile.gif

@mdavej: I dont want to use serviio or any other software on a laptop/pc/tablet etc as a server. My (slow) Black armor 220 should be the only device. I have a Pioneer BDT-440 here now. MKV streaming works like a charm here, (10/100 LAN) although 1080p mkvs dont play presently. Maybe i try the Pioneer FW update. Should bring improvements acc to other people here in the forum.

I presently recommend the BDT-440 (LX52/3/5)? in other countries) over the LG 670. Wouldnt go for a sony anymore.

regards
post #14209 of 16479
Wonder if there's any Blu-Ray player with 5 channel analog out and Divx support other than the Oppo which is a bit out of my price range.
Thanks,
Richard
post #14210 of 16479
The Panasonic DMP-BDT500 has 7.1 analog, but don't think it has DivX. It's about $300.
post #14211 of 16479
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

The Panasonic DMP-BDT500 has 7.1 analog, but don't think it has DivX. It's about $300.
It does in Canada, where the OP lives.
post #14212 of 16479
Cool, then that would be it.
post #14213 of 16479
Anyone own the Marantz UD7006? I like the styling or design of this player but I hear it feel like a Toaster machine when you pick it up because it is so light. HA HA HA

But I also hear it produce excellent video and audio and reference SACD sounds.
post #14214 of 16479
Does the Oppo BDP-103 ever skip frames or act up like that? I just noticed that my current Samsung is starting to skip on some movies. Not sure if it's cause we watch alot of movies or what. The new blu ray players are a couple hundred, but if they only last me a year. Might as well pay more to get better quality.
post #14215 of 16479
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

Does the Oppo BDP-103 ever skip frames or act up like that?

You might ask this in the BDP-103 thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432162/official-oppo-bdp-103-owners-thread

I haven't noticed such errors or seen them reported in the thread, although the player is new and has been shipping only a short time.

-Bill
post #14216 of 16479
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

Does the Oppo BDP-103 ever skip frames or act up like that? I just noticed that my current Samsung is starting to skip on some movies. Not sure if it's cause we watch alot of movies or what. The new blu ray players are a couple hundred, but if they only last me a year. Might as well pay more to get better quality.

Don't buy OPPO 103, it is a $500 piece of junk. I was going to buy one, but after reading the problems they have, I decided against it. I stuck with my LG 620 for Blu Ray and my Panasonic 220 for DVD playback. LG was rated number 1 by Consumer reports and Panasonic was ranked second. ALL BLU RAY PLAYERS HAVE THE SAME PICTURE QUALITY FOR BLU RAYS. Panasonic and Sony S790 have the best DVD upconversions. I have had no skips with the Panasonic or LG, I did have one or two with the Sony S790. The Samsung 5900 was retuned by me after two weeks because it broke. The LG has been in use for 4 months and the Panasonic for 7 months.
post #14217 of 16479
Hi all,

I am updating my HT originally set up in 2001. One new component is a JVC DLA-X30 projector and my main concern presently is source(s) to feed it. Audio chain consists of 4 full range speakers on monoblock amps. These are Acoustic Reality gear...very high end and I am very happy with a phantom center being imaged from my fronts and do not feel I am missing anything with "only" 2 rears. So all of that just to say I am sitting at more of a "5.1" system rather than speakers everywhere.

So back to my options for source material...

Eventually I am quite sure I will end up with a receiverless system running everything off an HTPC - so the long term plan is not to deal with discs at all and get everything on a server and run JRiver or XBMC etc.

Given a desire to spend less than $1,000 at the moment however I am looking more at an intermediate step and considering buying a BD player (to play BD and DVD) that can also handle my ripped .mkv .avi and .mp4 files over an external 4TB hard drive.

After reading through good parts of this awesome thread I see options as being either the S590 or the Panny BDT500 or one of the Oppos (95 or 103).

If I go with the S590 or BDT500 I would output into a lower cost AV receiver with preouts (best local choices are Denon 2311 or Marantz S5005) for decoding and let my Acoustic Reality amps take care of the amplification. Total cost of an AVR and either the Sony or Panny would come in under $1000.

The intriguing thing for me about the Oppo route is if I well understand there is a pedigree of excellent video handling as well as analog outputs, meaning I could potentially get away without an AVR altogether and just buy one of the Oppos, hook up my external HDD, and run my analog outs off the Oppo to my amplifiers.

I'd be really grateful to hear some comments on the above options. I am sure the Sony/Panny (or some other) players matched with an AVR will work. I am less certain that I have understood the capabilities of the Oppos. Another issue is I live in Switzerland so have a mix of regions and formats for my source material on discs....most of it is PAL which worries me about the Oppos as I saw some comments on the 103 saying it would not play PAL.

Thanks for advice,

Dave M
post #14218 of 16479
Dave,

You need to make sure you get the European versions of players (and receivers) so that you can reliably watch PAL (25 or 50 fps) discs. It's the U.S. versions of players which often don't support PAL.
post #14219 of 16479
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Originally Posted by dave in gva View Post

Another issue is I live in Switzerland so have a mix of regions and formats for my source material on discs....most of it is PAL which worries me about the Oppos as I saw some comments on the 103 saying it would not play PAL.

Thanks for advice,

Dave M

All OPPO players accept PAL discs and other 50hz content.

The players are not region-free out of the box because that is not allowed in the US.

For DVD there is a a free third-party multi-region software mod.

For Blu-ray multi-region you need a hardware mod. Many people buy kits and do it themselves.

The FAQ in my signature has links.

-Bill
post #14220 of 16479
Selden, Bill,

Thanks both for the fast and informative replies. So it looks like my region and format issue can become a non-issue.

My bigger source of confusion though is whether I can run the Oppo direct into my existing 4 channels of amplification....i.e. run the unit receiverless. The users manual for the 103 only shows it connected with an AVR but for me it might be possible in the sense that it has 7.1 analog outs, volume control on the remote, and does all the decoding (or perhaps it does not "do decoding" but only passes out the various surround sound formats bitstream....I don't know I am not an Oppo expert and have been out of this area for too many years but I am drawn to what I see in the Oppos).

Dave
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