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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

I think also TrueHD only comes in two channel; outside of 3D, though, that's it.

Do you think that the extra $10 for the 590 is worth it?
post #14342 of 16461
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Originally Posted by edlittle View Post

Do you think that the extra $10 for the 590 is worth it?

Yes. You get full surround from TrueHD titles, 3D if and when you need it, I'd go for it.
post #14343 of 16461
Thanks for your help! Any reason to go for the Panny 220 over the Sony 590?
post #14344 of 16461
So I have a PS33 I use as a blu ray player. Are they any sound/PQ reasons to get something like an OPPO 103? Or is it just that its a faster/quieter unit?
post #14345 of 16461
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Originally Posted by marjen View Post

So I have a PS33 I use as a blu ray player. Are they any sound/PQ reasons to get something like an OPPO 103? Or is it just that its a faster/quieter unit?

Blu-ray image will be the same. The PS3 once had some DVD deinterlacing issues, but I think that was addressed a while ago.

Digital audio will be the same.

The OPPO has no fan, so it's pretty quiet.

-Bill
post #14346 of 16461
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Originally Posted by marjen View Post

So I have a PS33 I use as a blu ray player. Are they any sound/PQ reasons to get something like an OPPO 103? Or is it just that its a faster/quieter unit?

Lots of good reasons in my opinion, but you have to weigh it against spending 500 if you're not interested in those reasons.

Reasons to stay with the PS3:
  • If you watch only blurays
  • If you don't have an extensive DVD collection.
  • If you're not interested in DVD-A, (I think the PS3 does SACD (?), plus a ton of other file formats.
  • If you're fine with the noise from the PS3.
  • You don't need all of the file support the 103 gives you.
  • You don't need analog multi channel connections.
  • You don't want to use the 103 as a video processor for other devices like your cable box.
  • Don't need SMB connectivity.
  • Don't need two HDMI outputs (this is true of some other players as well).

The 103 gives you a lot of features, but if you just want vanilla bluray play and streaming, I'd stay with the PS3. Check out the 103 thread if you're curious or ask that question there.
post #14347 of 16461
I need a cheap player that will only be used to play blu-ray. I have a roku for apps. Any suggestions on a quality inexpensive player without frills?

Thanks in advance!
post #14348 of 16461
If you don't need 3D, try the Sony S390 or Panasonic 77 or 87. If you need 3D, Sony S590 or Panasonic 220.

S~
post #14349 of 16461
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Originally Posted by Sportfreunde View Post

Are there any blu-ray players at all sold in Canada which support flash internet streaming without lag? I bought one (Sony BDP S390) which has a browser but no flash.

I was just reading about the Pioneer Elite BDP-62FD and in the Product Features section on Amazon it says that this player supports Flash Video (.flv).

I know very little about using these new Blu Ray players for anything besides playing something on a disc so I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for or not. I just noticed your post and thought I'd throw this out there.
post #14350 of 16461
First off, I'd like to thank hernanu and Vampidemic for their help in choosing a Blu-Ray player. I went with the Sony BDP-S790, and am quite pleased with it.
It loads up faster than I would have expected, upconverts my DVDs beautifully, works perfectly with the media remote app I installed on my iPod Touch, Netflix works well. I don't think I have any complaints with the unit...unless the following is going to turn out to be some sort of limitation with the Sony.

I'm addressing hernanu and Vampidemic specifically because, based on your previous responses, you both seem to have knowledge about DLNA servers.
I've installed serviio. I find it to use the least amount of CPU (I also tested out Twonky, TVMobili, XBMC--that one was weird--and PS3 Media Server. All of these had other issues as well, mostly file support), and it rarely balks at a file.

It's been a while since I've posted about this particular topic, so if you care to refresh your memories, I would respectfully refer you to the following post numbers:
14150
14167
14171
14175

And here are a couple of pertinent quotes:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vampidemic

"...overall I think your plan of getting the BDP-S790 and a dedicated streamer is a good one based on your description of how you intend to use the player and your budget considerations. Can't help much with the advice for the streamer myself as I haven't used many of those devices.

If you're open to running a DLNA server on your computer, file format compatibility may not be such a huge issue if you get a Sony. I have the Sony BDP S590 and that teamed with Serviio will play most of the formats you mentioned including FLAC. This player does not support DVD-Audio or Divx but it does play SACD and it's priced very reasonably, leaving budget to get another device for digital file playback. If you want to be able to tweak the image when playing DVDs, you might want to step up to the Sony BDP S790 as the 590 is limited in terms of picture adjustments."

This is technically (perhaps more than technically) the wrong forum section for the particular problems I'm having, but I've had no response in the other section. And based on your knowledge of DLNA and Serviio in particular, I'm really hoping you can be of some help.

1. I'm tearing my hair out over setting up mapped folders on Serviio to be seen on the Sony.
2. Some of the local folders, while showing up on the Sony, are missing many many files.

My post is located here, in which I tried to carefully detail the problems: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1442831/new-to-serviio-completely-lost-with-mapped-drives-folders
and I would be grateful if you could take a look--if anyone could take a look--and hopefully offer some tips or solutions.

And if you're willing to look, I made the same query at another site, and there is a bit more information there.
http://forum.serviio.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8233&p=57621#p57621

Since starting these threads, I finally stumbled upon a bit of information in the FAQ for the TVMobili server I briefly tried out. It seems to apply to my mapped folder/drive issue and will likely be applicable to Serviio, but I don't fully understand what the person is saying. To be clear, I'm using Serviio, not TVMobili...it was just there that I found this information.
Here's what was written:
Windows:
Adding content using a mapped drive is a little bit of a problem on Windows due to the way that Microsoft map network drives on a user by user basis and not machine basis. This means that drives that you map using explorer are not visible to TVMOBiLi.
To solve this problem you need to do the following:

1) Open Control Panel->Administrative Tools->Services and right click on the tvMobiliService in that list.
2) Choose 'Properties' and change the logon account that the service uses to be your own personal logon account for Windows.
3) Restart the Service.
4) Ensure that there is a user on your NAS box that is EXACTLY the same as your Windows user account. Most NAS boxes provide you with an admin interface to accomplish this.
5) Use the full UNC path (\\sever\share) to add the NAS box into TVMOBiLi.

If those instructions make sense to anyone, if they appear to address my issue, and if someone might be able to explain them in more detail to me (dumb it down as much you possibly can) I'd really appreciate it. I'm assuming that though the person mentions a NAS box specifically for setting up the user account that it will also apply to my HomeGroup desktop (where all these mapped/remote drives and folders reside).

I've found no info on the other issue of some local folders not showing all contents, and this is truly frustrating.

MANY thanks!!
post #14351 of 16461
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Originally Posted by marjen View Post

So I have a PS33 I use as a blu ray player. Are they any sound/PQ reasons to get something like an OPPO 103? Or is it just that its a faster/quieter unit?

I replaced my PS3 Fat this weekend with a BDT500 and there is a noticeable PQ improvement over the PS3. The main improvement however is with sound, I can now bitstream to my Denon 2310 and the all I can say is WOW, night and day difference!

I would also recommend the BDT500 if you use your player for CD's as I have it hooked up via the analog outputs to my amp and the sound is as good as my Arcam CD37 FMJ CD player that cost over £1k.

I also tried the Oppo 103 and the picture was the same as the BDT500 however CD's were much better through the BDT500's analog outputs.
post #14352 of 16461
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Originally Posted by Erik Cacciatore View Post

First off, I'd like to thank hernanu and Vampidemic for their help in choosing a Blu-Ray player. I went with the Sony BDP-S790, and am quite pleased with it.
It loads up faster than I would have expected, upconverts my DVDs beautifully, works perfectly with the media remote app I installed on my iPod Touch, Netflix works well. I don't think I have any complaints with the unit...unless the following is going to turn out to be some sort of limitation with the Sony.
I'm addressing hernanu and Vampidemic specifically because, based on your previous responses, you both seem to have knowledge about DLNA servers.
I've installed serviio. I find it to use the least amount of CPU (I also tested out Twonky, TVMobili, XBMC--that one was weird--and PS3 Media Server. All of these had other issues as well, mostly file support), and it rarely balks at a file.
It's been a while since I've posted about this particular topic, so if you care to refresh your memories, I would respectfully refer you to the following post numbers:
14150
14167
14171
14175
And here are a couple of pertinent quotes:
This is technically (perhaps more than technically) the wrong forum section for the particular problems I'm having, but I've had no response in the other section. And based on your knowledge of DLNA and Serviio in particular, I'm really hoping you can be of some help.
1. I'm tearing my hair out over setting up mapped folders on Serviio to be seen on the Sony.
2. Some of the local folders, while showing up on the Sony, are missing many many files.
My post is located here, in which I tried to carefully detail the problems: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1442831/new-to-serviio-completely-lost-with-mapped-drives-folders
and I would be grateful if you could take a look--if anyone could take a look--and hopefully offer some tips or solutions.
And if you're willing to look, I made the same query at another site, and there is a bit more information there.
http://forum.serviio.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8233&p=57621#p57621
Since starting these threads, I finally stumbled upon a bit of information in the FAQ for the TVMobili server I briefly tried out. It seems to apply to my mapped folder/drive issue and will likely be applicable to Serviio, but I don't fully understand what the person is saying. To be clear, I'm using Serviio, not TVMobili...it was just there that I found this information.
Here's what was written:
Windows:
Adding content using a mapped drive is a little bit of a problem on Windows due to the way that Microsoft map network drives on a user by user basis and not machine basis. This means that drives that you map using explorer are not visible to TVMOBiLi.
To solve this problem you need to do the following:
1) Open Control Panel->Administrative Tools->Services and right click on the tvMobiliService in that list.
2) Choose 'Properties' and change the logon account that the service uses to be your own personal logon account for Windows.
3) Restart the Service.
4) Ensure that there is a user on your NAS box that is EXACTLY the same as your Windows user account. Most NAS boxes provide you with an admin interface to accomplish this.
5) Use the full UNC path (\\sever\share) to add the NAS box into TVMOBiLi.
If those instructions make sense to anyone, if they appear to address my issue, and if someone might be able to explain them in more detail to me (dumb it down as much you possibly can) I'd really appreciate it. I'm assuming that though the person mentions a NAS box specifically for setting up the user account that it will also apply to my HomeGroup desktop (where all these mapped/remote drives and folders reside).
I've found no info on the other issue of some local folders not showing all contents, and this is truly frustrating.
MANY thanks!!

I have serviio on my Android phone, mostly to stream music to my Oppo, but really only use Twonky just about everywhere. You're not using a NAS, so this should make it simpler for you, but shared drives do have login issues on Windows. I'd try the above, using the serviio service as instead of TVMOBILI, just to get the logins out as an issue.

Since the client on the Sony is seeing your server, connection is not an issue. Is there an ability in the serviio to explicitly add those shared folders to the serviio directory structure? As a test, it may be useful to see whether explicitly setting one of these folders will let the contents be seen.

Also, if the files are of a type that is not transcoded by the serviio server and not interpreted by the Sony client, they may not show up, and if they do, may not play.
post #14353 of 16461
Thanks for the reply. I want to be sure exactly what you mean...about explicitly adding those folders in serviio...
If I'm on the wrong track, sorry,

There are two ways within serviio to add a folder location: Local and Path.
And there are two ways to get the address of a folder, by clicking to the folder via where it shows up in My Computer (mapped). Click to the far right of the address bar in explorer and it shows the simple path of the folder, eg:
N:\My Television

or I can scroll down the left column of explorer to the Network section, where it shows my local machine and my networked machine (which is called Lion). If I get the address that way it shows like this:
\\LION\My Television

I guess N is the mapped letter, while \\LION is its location on the network. Not sure.

So, I've input those addresses both ways they're shown, and I've input them in Local and Path--both ways. So, for a particular folder, I'm trying to add it 4 different ways. In each case, the folder itself will show up on the Sony, but empty. As to file types, they are the same as in any other folder that IS correctly listing its files.
post #14354 of 16461
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Originally Posted by Erik Cacciatore View Post

Thanks for the reply. I want to be sure exactly what you mean...about explicitly adding those folders in serviio...
If I'm on the wrong track, sorry,
There are two ways within serviio to add a folder location: Local and Path.
And there are two ways to get the address of a folder, by clicking to the folder via where it shows up in My Computer (mapped). Click to the far right of the address bar in explorer and it shows the simple path of the folder, eg:
N:\My Television
or I can scroll down the left column of explorer to the Network section, where it shows my local machine and my networked machine (which is called Lion). If I get the address that way it shows like this:
\\LION\My Television
I guess N is the mapped letter, while \\LION is its location on the network. Not sure.
So, I've input those addresses both ways they're shown, and I've input them in Local and Path--both ways. So, for a particular folder, I'm trying to add it 4 different ways. In each case, the folder itself will show up on the Sony, but empty. As to file types, they are the same as in any other folder that IS correctly listing its files.

Hmm... I use Twonky, so my settings are different. Try the BDP-83 DLNA Thread, see how they deal with serviio, it might help.
post #14355 of 16461
I just use it for movies not cds. Can the PS3 do 3D?? Did not think of that. Also I thought it could bitstream to receiver.
post #14356 of 16461
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Originally Posted by marjen View Post

I just use it for movies not cds. Can the PS3 do 3D?? Did not think of that. Also I thought it could bitstream to receiver.

PS3 fat cannot bitstream to receiver PS3 slim can.

I have good dac's in my receiver so it makes a difference, if CD is not important have a look at the BDT220.
post #14357 of 16461
OK so PS3 FAT does the audio processing? Where as new units will pass the signal to the receiver which may result in better audio quality, right? And while the Oppo 103 is built like a tank, for someone just looking for a very good blu ray movie player it might be overkill? So then any suggestions on a solid, proven BR player that can do 3d (in case I ever need it) and can pass bitstream to receiver?
post #14358 of 16461
Sony BDP-S590
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Used Oppo-bdp 93 or new bdp 93 or new bdp 95?

So I have decided to partake in the Home 3d experience. Ive been looking at the oppo's because of the sq and pq reviews.
Im also conflicted. I was thinking of getting the 93 because I only use hdmi. But when I search for one I see them used for $450 up. Brand new the 93 are still costing $999.

I really dont trust buying used since i cant get a warranty. The 93 new is also costing the same price as the 95 new.

Do yall suggest I just bite the bullet and buy the 95 new or should I go for the 93 used? Id love to save $500, but i am wearty of used products.

Thanks.
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post #14361 of 16461
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

http://www.oppodigital.com/

Yea Ive been to the site but doesnt answer my question.

Thanks anyways.
post #14362 of 16461
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Sony BDP-S590

+1
post #14363 of 16461
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Originally Posted by Charles Whiting View Post

So I have decided to partake in the Home 3d experience. Ive been looking at the oppo's because of the sq and pq reviews.
Im also conflicted. I was thinking of getting the 93 because I only use hdmi. But when I search for one I see them used for $450 up. Brand new the 93 are still costing $999.

I really dont trust buying used since i cant get a warranty. The 93 new is also costing the same price as the 95 new.

Do yall suggest I just bite the bullet and buy the 95 new or should I go for the 93 used? Id love to save $500, but i am wearty of used products.

Thanks.

Are you outside the US? Here the BDP-93 was always $499. The -95 was the audiophile upgrade for $999.

The current model is the BDP-103, also $499.

OPPOs retain their value such that there is not always a big incentive to buy used. But note that OPPO has fixed price out-of-warranty service (something like $60 which includes one-way shipping) for all their players.

-Bill
post #14364 of 16461
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Originally Posted by Charles Whiting View Post

So I have decided to partake in the Home 3d experience. Ive been looking at the oppo's because of the sq and pq reviews.
Im also conflicted. I was thinking of getting the 93 because I only use hdmi. But when I search for one I see them used for $450 up. Brand new the 93 are still costing $999.
I really dont trust buying used since i cant get a warranty. The 93 new is also costing the same price as the 95 new.
Do yall suggest I just bite the bullet and buy the 95 new or should I go for the 93 used? Id love to save $500, but i am wearty of used products.
Thanks.

If you are planning on using HDMI only or primarily for your output, the BDP-103, as Bill has pointed out, is the current model. It has improvements over the 93, but as you're seeing, the older Oppos do not lose their value by much.

If you want to spend around 500, get the BDP-103. It provides some extras in the 3D aread (2d - 3d conversion) that the 93 does not, and many other new and improved features in addition.

The 95 is only useful to you if you have a non-HDMI receiver and the high quality analog components to use it well; otherwise you want to go for the 103.
post #14365 of 16461
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Originally Posted by ramdrive View Post

PS3 fat cannot bitstream to receiver PS3 slim can.
I have good dac's in my receiver so it makes a difference, if CD is not important have a look at the BDT220.

Though it is ideal to have a BD player that can bitstream as well as decode, with all other factors being equal, bistreaming vs. sending multi-channel PCM makes no difference in sound quality. If the BD player is doing its job properly by correctly decoding the compressed audio to multi channel PCM and sending it over HDMI, the same bits are getting sent to your receiver's DACs for converting to analog either way.

That having been said there are advantages and disadvantages to either method:

- Only Bitstreaming allows pretty lights or text representing the audio format to be displayed by the receiver
- Only Decoded Multi-channel PCM can output the secondary audio on Blu-ray discs
- Some receivers are unable to decode bistreamed HD audio and also apply room correction to that audio at higher resolutions such as 192 kHz 24-bit (though most Blu-ray discs do not have audio in these formats anyway).
- When bitstreaming stereo audio, some receivers can automatically interpret flags for matrix audio formats such as Pro Logic. In contrast, when the BD player decodes 2 channel audio, matrix formats would need to be manually selected on the receiver for surround simulation.
post #14366 of 16461
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Originally Posted by marjen View Post

OK so PS3 FAT does the audio processing? Where as new units will pass the signal to the receiver which may result in better audio quality, right? And while the Oppo 103 is built like a tank, for someone just looking for a very good blu ray movie player it might be overkill? So then any suggestions on a solid, proven BR player that can do 3d (in case I ever need it) and can pass bitstream to receiver?

The best thing to do is try them out, I would recommend you try the following 2xHDMI models BDT500, S790 and 103.

Take your favorite blu-ray with you and see what differences you can see and hear.
post #14367 of 16461
Hint: Blu-ray video should be identical for all three players, as should HD audio over HDMI (otherwise they're broken) The major differences will be in how they handle analog audio, upscaling DVD video options, and streaming service formats.
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Alright I've looked around and can't find it but this is what I need. I'm looking for bd player that loads rather quickly and has decent pq and sq but that's easy. I also want it to have the following app/media streaming capabilities...... Netflix, Vudu, pandora, and HBO Go. It's going to be hooked through a dvdo edge and into a jvc dla hd350 just FYI any help would be great
post #14369 of 16461
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Originally Posted by Maveric2112 View Post

Alright I've looked around and can't find it but this is what I need. I'm looking for bd player that loads rather quickly and has decent pq and sq but that's easy. I also want it to have the following app/media streaming capabilities...... Netflix, Vudu, pandora, and HBO Go. It's going to be hooked through a dvdo edge and into a jvc dla hd350 just FYI any help would be great

There are not any Blu-ray players that have HBO Go. Crossing that off your list should make it a lot easier to pick a player as the other streaming services are pretty standard.

STB options for HBO Go are Xbox, Roku or HTPC. However, make sure your cable provider supports HBO Go on the device you plan to use. I have Comcast and though I own a Roku and subscribe to HBO, Comcast's agreements with HBO do not allow for Roku support so I can't activate the device. frown.gif


NOTE: assuming you want to use the DVDO Edge for upscaling, you will want to make sure to get a player that has a "Native" output setting. Sony BDP-S590 has this option. I have previously owned LG players (BD670 and BD570) which did not have this ability (on those players if you set it to 1080P for Blu-ray, DVD's always get upscaled by the player unless you change the main output setting to 480i or 480P).
Edited by Vampidemic - 12/4/12 at 2:55pm
post #14370 of 16461
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Hint: Blu-ray video should be identical for all three players, as should HD audio over HDMI (otherwise they're broken) The major differences will be in how they handle analog audio, upscaling DVD video options, and streaming service formats.

Wrong, players PSU's and clock circuits among others will have a noticeable effect on both picture and audio quality even if for example you feed audio via hdmi for a receiver to decode..

Then you can factor in any processing under the hood that is done to the final image, there will be differences even if you enable such things as direct mode etc.
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