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post #14911 of 16490
Anyone know if there are any hardware differences between the 3100 and 5100? (like cpu and such?)
post #14912 of 16490
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Originally Posted by Mercfh View Post

Anyone know if there are any hardware differences between the 3100 and 5100? (like cpu and such?)
Best to ask about differences in the dedicated thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450585/official-sony-bdp-s1100-bdp-s3100-and-bdp-s5100

S~
post #14913 of 16490
looking for a blu ray player with 5ghz wifi band..
post #14914 of 16490
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Originally Posted by Spyderz View Post

looking for a blu ray player with 5ghz wifi band..

I believe the Vizio has that. Otherwise, you might want to look at using a wireless bridge that uses 5G.
post #14915 of 16490
space constraint does not make setting a bridge feasible
also,in my country,nobody carries Vizio.
i need to check if sony s790 supports 5ghz
post #14916 of 16490
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Originally Posted by Spyderz View Post

space constraint does not make setting a bridge feasible
also,in my country,nobody carries Vizio.
i need to check if sony s790 supports 5ghz
Why exactly do you need 5GHz? 2.4 works fine in most cases.
post #14917 of 16490
some lag and choppiness on screen
post #14918 of 16490
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Originally Posted by Mercfh View Post

Anyone know if there are any hardware differences between the 3100 and 5100? (like cpu and such?)

Sony dont publish specs on such lower level details. The 390/590 had no perceivable differences in performance. Only the S790 was faster at navigation across local files and improved disk loading times.

The 3100 has improved loading times over the S790, but its local file navigation in the browser seemed similar to the 390/590 ... and not as responsive as the S790.
post #14919 of 16490
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Why exactly do you need 5GHz? 2.4 works fine in most cases.

I dunno mdavej. You can't stream a BD backup over 2.4Ghz wireless without choppy playback ... just not gonna happen. Player needs to be hardwired .. OR possibly use powerline ... although not looked at performance on that for a while.
post #14920 of 16490
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Originally Posted by Spyderz View Post

some lag and choppiness on screen

5 GHz Wi-Fi will not give you faster data transmission (with all things being equal). It is just transmitted over a higher frequency band. If you have too much 2.4 GHz traffic, it may minimize interference, thereby providing a performance improvement, but it may also not transmit as well through walls or may have a weaker signal when not close to the access point. I have an older LG player with dual band and in my case there was not a significant performance difference. This is why the manufacturers are not bothering with 5 GHz on their current players.

I had to go wired for DLNA to work effectively with HD content that's not overly compressed.

Consider Ethernet, Powerline or MoCA. Getting a. 5 GHz capable player won't likely solve your problem.
post #14921 of 16490
It seems like if there is space for an S5100 or an S3100 that you would have space for a wireless Birdge. Those players are not very deep and not very wide. And a wireless bridge is also small. So you would be able to put the wireless bridge behind or beside them. I have an 8 port gigabit switch behind my S5100. And that switch is already small.. My wireless Birdges are even smaller because they only have four Ethernet ports.
post #14922 of 16490
My Sony BDP-S570 is dying so it's time for an upgrade. I'm considering an Oppo BDP103 but am not sure if I want to invest that much at the moment.

What are the other, less expensive, prime contenders at the moment?

- Visual quality, including 3D and upscaling from DVD, is important.
- Streaming/extras is not important (have other devices for that).
- Audio decoding not important (have other device for that).
- Running a Denon 1913 and Panasonic 65GT50.

Much thanks.
post #14923 of 16490
Both Sony and Panasonic are very popular here. They both have new models just recently released (or you can buy the older models at decent discounts).
post #14924 of 16490
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

Both Sony and Panasonic are very popular here. They both have new models just recently released (or you can buy the older models at decent discounts).

Thanks - are there any current favored models? Or any models I should avoid?

At first look it appears there are several models in the $150 price range and several in the $250 price range. I can't tell if features/extras are the primary difference or if there's a difference in picture quality ...

Since my current deck died I'm hoping to order/pick-up something tonight or in the morning, so unfortunately I don't have time to read 1000's of posts ... Any help would be appreciated!
post #14925 of 16490
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

Thanks - are there any current favored models? Or any models I should avoid?

At first look it appears there are several models in the $150 price range and several in the $250 price range. I can't tell if features/extras are the primary difference or if there's a difference in picture quality ...

Since my current deck died I'm hoping to order/pick-up something tonight or in the morning, so unfortunately I don't have time to read 1000's of posts ... Any help would be appreciated!

There will be no difference in PQ for blu rays with any of the newer players but the upconversion for DVD's might be another story. I've heard that my player, the Panasonic DMP-BDT500, has better upconversion of DVD's than the lower models but I can't prove that because I'm relatively new in the blu ray spectrum. I've seen arguments that it's just as good as the Oppo and I've also seen arguments that it's not so either way it has to be pretty good. I love this player and everything about it.

Al
post #14926 of 16490
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

Thanks - are there any current favored models? Or any models I should avoid?

At first look it appears there are several models in the $150 price range and several in the $250 price range. I can't tell if features/extras are the primary difference or if there's a difference in picture quality ...

Since my current deck died I'm hoping to order/pick-up something tonight or in the morning, so unfortunately I don't have time to read 1000's of posts ... Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks Angler55. Anyone else have make-models they could recommend?

(While I run off to feverishly R&D the BDT500.)
Edited by sdg4vfx - 3/31/13 at 10:11pm
post #14927 of 16490
Sony's S790 might be a better choice than the Panasonic BDT-500 if you're more interested in streaming capabilities than in analog audio connections.
post #14928 of 16490
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

My Sony BDP-S570 is dying so it's time for an upgrade. I'm considering an Oppo BDP103 but am not sure if I want to invest that much at the moment.

What are the other, less expensive, prime contenders at the moment?

- Visual quality, including 3D and upscaling from DVD, is important.
- Streaming/extras is not important (have other devices for that).
- Audio decoding not important (have other device for that).
- Running a Denon 1913 and Panasonic 65GT50.

Much thanks.
Both the Panasonic and Sony would be good choices for you. Since you are hooked up with only HDMI, you only need a player with 1 HDMI. I prefer Panasonic for DVD scaling over the Sony. I also prefer 3D conversion of te Panasonic over the Sony. You could end up with a great deal on last year's BDT220 or this year's BDT230.
S~
post #14929 of 16490
My ancient standard DVD (circa 1998) player is starting to fail, can anyone recommend a Blu-ray player? I need one that has component video (my TV is a Toshiba CRT and only has component or S-video inputs), analogue audio output (I route the sound through my audio reciever). It would be nice if the BR player had built in WiFi and could stream YouTube and Pandora. The Toshiba BDX 5300 seems to meet all my specs, but the reviews seem pretty horrible.
I don't think I can stomach buying a new TV just so I can replace my DVD player.
Thank you!
post #14930 of 16490
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Originally Posted by BondDude View Post

My ancient standard DVD (circa 1998) player is starting to fail, can anyone recommend a Blu-ray player? I need one that has component video (my TV is a Toshiba CRT and only has component or S-video inputs), analogue audio output (I route the sound through my audio reciever). It would be nice if the BR player had built in WiFi and could stream YouTube and Pandora. The Toshiba BDX 5300 seems to meet all my specs, but the reviews seem pretty horrible.
I don't think I can stomach buying a new TV just so I can replace my DVD player.
Thank you!
You'll need one eventually if you want to watch HD Blu-ray. Read up on analog Sunset here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1305969/analog-sunset-begins

You'll need an older Blu-ray player like the Panasonic 210, Oppo 83/93, etc. to enjoy HD video. Here's a discussion thread for player with component.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1305969/analog-sunset-begins

S~
post #14931 of 16490
My gf wants to get a Netflix enabled and wireless blu-ray player. I started reading reviews and some of the players now allow you to browse all Netflix streaming offerings whereas my old Panasonic only allows me to view what I already have in my Netfix queue. Also the wireless didn't work for crap on my player so I ended up running a cat-5 to my router. My model is getting dated, Panasonic DMP-BD85
post #14932 of 16490
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Originally Posted by BondDude View Post

My ancient standard DVD (circa 1998) player is starting to fail, can anyone recommend a Blu-ray player? I need one that has component video (my TV is a Toshiba CRT and only has component or S-video inputs), analogue audio output (I route the sound through my audio reciever). It would be nice if the BR player had built in WiFi and could stream YouTube and Pandora. The Toshiba BDX 5300 seems to meet all my specs, but the reviews seem pretty horrible.
I don't think I can stomach buying a new TV just so I can replace my DVD player.
Thank you!

Is your CRT an HD TV, or an older 4:3, 480i CRT? Does it have a composite video input?

Unfortunately, if you want component, you'll likely need to go with a used player due to players with component connections being phased out. If you don't have an HD TV, you might be able to get by with using a composite video input. This would allow you to get a newer player (2012 or earlier). You will not get to take advantage of Blu-ray quality using the composite video connection, but it will give you the streaming video options and allow you to start building a BD collection so you'll be read once you decide to upgrade your TV.
post #14933 of 16490
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Sony's S790 might be a better choice than the Panasonic BDT-500 if you're more interested in streaming capabilities than in analog audio connections.
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Both the Panasonic and Sony would be good choices for you. Since you are hooked up with only HDMI, you only need a player with 1 HDMI. I prefer Panasonic for DVD scaling over the Sony. I also prefer 3D conversion of te Panasonic over the Sony. You could end up with a great deal on last year's BDT220 or this year's BDT230.
S~

Thanks for the responses! My primary interest is in picture quality - BR, 3D and DVD upres. (I have other devices for streaming and audio decoding.) BR load speed is an appreciated convenience but not a deal breaker.
Based on my priorities ...

Does the BDT500 have any PQ advantages over the BDT220 or BDT230?

How does the newer BBT01 compare to the BDT500/230/220?

How does the newer S5100 compare to the S790?
post #14934 of 16490
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post


Thanks for the responses! My primary interest is in picture quality - BR, 3D and DVD upres. (I have other devices for streaming and audio decoding.) BR load speed is an appreciated convenience but not a deal breaker.
Based on my priorities ...

Does the BDT500 have any PQ advantages over the BDT220 or BDT230?

How does the newer BBT01 compare to the BDT500/230/220?

How does the newer S5100 compare to the S790?

For what you're going to use it for any of these players will suffice. Of course I would suggest the BDT500. Not just because I own this player but it's my opinion that the build quality is superior to the others.
You can go cheaper and the PQ will be just as good with Blu Ray and probably DVD upscaling also.

Al
post #14935 of 16490
The s790 is still the top of the line of Sony's "consumer" Blu-ray players. Like the Panasonic BDT-500, it has quite a few options for manipulating the video, so (in principle) it can produce better video from poor DVD source material than Sony's other players can.

My understanding is that the s5100 is somewhat faster at loading than the s790, and I seem to recall that it has a couple of improvements in its streaming apps, but doesn't have the variety of video manipulation options. Its output connections are quite limited: 1 HDMI + 1 coax digital audio output, while the s790 has dual HDMI ouputs, composite video, coax & optical digital audio outputs and a stereo analog audio output.
post #14936 of 16490
Trying to decide between the Oppo 103 and the Sony S790. Will be connecting this to a Sony 65 HX950. Looking for the best possible picture and sound. Also like speedy load times. My old Sony player is painfully slow with the latest Blueray discs. I've read several reviews on both and do know there are pros and cons on each. However there are some questions I could not find answer to, so here goes.

1. I noticed the Oppo has the ability to scale the image on 2.35 movies such that it can remove the black borders on top and bottom and fill the screen with little cut toff on the sides. Does the S790 offer the same capability.

2. Which has faster load times? Assume both are similar but have not seen reference to this.

3. How stable is the S790 with latest firmware? I had almost picked this up around Christmas but held off as I was reading reports of freezing and having to unplug to restore. Not sure if it was attributed to particular Blueray disc or not.

4. Same on Oppo, how stable is the unit? Read some recent complaints but not sure if it's wide spread as of yet.

5. Sound output? Thoughts on which is better? I hear a lot of positive talks in regards to sound on Oppo, but not so much feedback on the Sony in this regards.

6. Regarding the MHL input on the Oppo, can / has anyone used a extension cable / adapter with it such as this:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10419&cs_id=1041913&p_id=4860&seq=1&format=2?
Find the Roku stick attractive but crazy about it plugging in on the front. I would assume this would require it to be recessed a bit more in the cabinet to avoid the door hitting it, which may be a little inconvenient.

Thanks
post #14937 of 16490
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Originally Posted by cbb77 View Post

Trying to decide between the Oppo 103 and the Sony S790. Will be connecting this to a Sony 65 HX950. Looking for the best possible picture and sound. Also like speedy load times. My old Sony player is painfully slow with the latest Blueray discs. I've read several reviews on both and do know there are pros and cons on each. However there are some questions I could not find answer to, so here goes.

1. I noticed the Oppo has the ability to scale the image on 2.35 movies such that it can remove the black borders on top and bottom and fill the screen with little cut toff on the sides. Does the S790 offer the same capability.

2. Which has faster load times? Assume both are similar but have not seen reference to this.

S790 - Bluray load time: 21-32 sec. DVD - About 20 sec.
Oppo 103 - Bluray load time: 14-21 sec. DVD- about 17 sec.

(Source Consumer Reports).
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Originally Posted by cbb77 View Post

3. How stable is the S790 with latest firmware? I had almost picked this up around Christmas but held off as I was reading reports of freezing and having to unplug to restore. Not sure if it was attributed to particular Blueray disc or not.

4. Same on Oppo, how stable is the unit? Read some recent complaints but not sure if it's wide spread as of yet.

The Oppo is stable for basic functions. There have been some issues with lip sync on the HDMI inputs to the Oppo 103 when connecting cable boxes to clean up the cable box image. There also are some slight differences in HDMI video processing that some people have reported with the HDMI1 video output that are not present in the HDMI2 video output. It appears that the lip sync issue may be fixed in an upcoming firmware release that is now being beta tested publicly. So as usual, Oppo engineering are on the ball and getting rid of issues as they pop up.
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Originally Posted by cbb77 View Post

5. Sound output? Thoughts on which is better? I hear a lot of positive talks in regards to sound on Oppo, but not so much feedback on the Sony in this regards.

This depends on how you use the players. What receiver are you using? If you're doing the audio processing at the receiver, bitstreaming the output, then the player is pretty much out of the equation (mostly). If you're doing processing (TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA, etc. ) at the player, then it becomes a consideration. Don't know about the S790, but my older Oppo is excellent at processing audio.

If you're using analog or want to, then the Oppo wins by default.
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Originally Posted by cbb77 View Post


6. Regarding the MHL input on the Oppo, can / has anyone used a extension cable / adapter with it such as this:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10419&cs_id=1041913&p_id=4860&seq=1&format=2?
Find the Roku stick attractive but crazy about it plugging in on the front. I would assume this would require it to be recessed a bit more in the cabinet to avoid the door hitting it, which may be a little inconvenient.

Thanks

Nothing wrong with an extender like that, I would think.
post #14938 of 16490
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Originally Posted by euphoria619 View Post

Not certain if this has been brought up in previous threads before but any how share free to feel your thoughts on the two units.

The obvious main question is what are the main differences between the two?

and on a side note, If using a SC-65 AVR does the player really matter since it will be ran through the AVRs processor?
Whats the benefit of using a higher end blu-ray disc player with a high end AVR?

I have not seen a reply to this post. I have invested in a Pioneer SC-65 with all the video processing bells and whistles - Is there a reason to invest in an Oppo-103 which has most of the same capabilities and not a simpler BD player like BD-150 or similar? I appreciate the capabilities of the Oppo, but if I've paid for most of it in the SC-65 - what would be an adequate 3D BD player? Thanks in advance
post #14939 of 16490
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Originally Posted by photodocfl View Post

I have not seen a reply to this post. I have invested in a Pioneer SC-65 with all the video processing bells and whistles - Is there a reason to invest in an Oppo-103 which has most of the same capabilities and not a simpler BD player like BD-150 or similar? I appreciate the capabilities of the Oppo, but if I've paid for most of it in the SC-65 - what would be an adequate 3D BD player? Thanks in advance

You can compare the capabilities of the SC65 to the Oppo and see the differences in delivered features. As an example, things like DLNA processing are probably equivalent to some degree, but I don't believe it processes video by DLNA or provide any SMB connectivity. So there are plenty of features that if you compare line by line, you'll find that the SC65 does a fine job on as a receiver, but it does not perform the way a player does (not just the BDP-103 either).

The SC 65 has a QDEO processor, just like the BDP-103 and its predecessor the 93. The BDP-103 provides two video paths now, one that bypasses the QDEO entirely (HDMI2) and one that mostly uses it to slighlty process the DVD / BD / Streaming apps image. Most of the processing is done on the Mediatek chip which is the other video processor within the player(s).

So although both have the QDEO chip, video processing and output is mostly done using the Mediatek chip. The presence of a chip doesn't mean equal video quality. You have to take into account how that chip is being used and the quality of the software that is produced. In a company like Oppo, that has a reputation for high quality, that is more likely to happen. In a company devoted to Receivers and other products, the focus is less apt to be on the video itself because that is not their main product.

I'm a big fan of Pioneer, have an Elite VSX-33 with a QDEO chip. I use the QDEO chip for processing the cable signal from my DVR. I also own an Oppo BDP-83 and when that is on (bluray or DVD), I shut down processing on the VSX and let the Oppo do all video processing. Much better by my sight.
Edited by hernanu - 4/5/13 at 9:05am
post #14940 of 16490
Hey Guys! Finally had some money come my way (its been a tough few years) and so I decided to get out of the stone age and invest some hard earned cash on electronics. I just purchased the P65VT50 and now want to get a Blu-Ray player to match. Since I dropped a load of boku bucks on the TV, I am simply looking for a reliable player with decent streaming capabilities. I am a videophile at heart and so the most important aspect of my purchase is the video quality the player possesses.

My price range is between $100-$200.

All suggestions would be much appreciated!

Thanks in advanced.
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