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Originally Posted by oapy123 View Post

dude, he's 80...whats he going to do with a ps3????? Play porno games? lol i think we're gonna go with the BDP-S300 @ CC and use the leftover money towards a nice remote. When all is said and done, he'll be able to watch porn on any one of 4 different formats, all at the touch of a single button

Well dude, you asked for sony options and a price range dude, you got that dude.. you didn't say exclude the PS3 ..dude..
post #1502 of 15133
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Originally Posted by oapy123 View Post

whats he going to do with a ps3?????

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Originally Posted by MidniteBlues View Post

Play porno games?

I'm yet another geezer. My eyes lit up when I saw your emendation to oapy123's post. Are there porno games for PS3? For any game box? That's the only kind of game that would hold this geezer's interest.
post #1503 of 15133
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Originally Posted by Syzygy View Post

I'm yet another geezer. My eyes lit up when I saw your emendation to oapy123's post. Are there porno games for PS3? For any game box? That's the only kind of game that would hold this geezer's interest.

no
post #1504 of 15133
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Originally Posted by MidniteBlues View Post

FYI, CC has the BDP-S300 on sale for $339.99, the newer BDP-S350 for $399.00 and of course the PS3 for $399.00. (Hey don't knock the Betamax, I still have mine ((altho currently not hooked up)) AND IT STILL WORKS)LOL Thats nice your helping out an old man. Us old geezers (I'm over 50, can't beleive I'm saying I am an old geezer, I feel 25 in my mind) haven't really been keeping up as much as we needed to with all the fancy new high tech electronic gizmos.. I am slowly am catching up with yawl young guns..

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Originally Posted by MidniteBlues View Post

Well dude, you asked for sony options and a price range dude, you got that dude.. you didn't say exclude the PS3 ..dude..

dude, i figured you would have enough common sense to realize that an old man is not going to want a game console. Srsly dude
post #1505 of 15133
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Originally Posted by steve ans View Post

no

they do make them for PC tho
post #1506 of 15133
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Originally Posted by oapy123 View Post

dude, i figured you would have enough common sense to realize that an old man is not going to want a game console. Srsly dude

What about all of the Wii's being used in nursing homes?
post #1507 of 15133
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Originally Posted by cognitive77 View Post

Now, from what I've read, not many people can hear the difference between PCM and bitstreaming. I'm sure there is a difference, but is there that much of a difference. If not, my other concerns would probably be upconversion and video quality.

Thoughts?

Actually, there is no difference. The people that are hearing a difference are doing so only because of one of two reasons:
- They are hallucinating.
- They have an issue/limitation with their receiver that causes one or the other to sound better.
post #1508 of 15133
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Originally Posted by Jay_Davis View Post

Actually, there is no difference. The people that are hearing a difference are doing so only because of one of two reasons:
- They are hallucinating.
- They have an issue/limitation with their receiver that causes one or the other to sound better.

There are theoretical advantages to bitstream in its inherent immunity to the effects of jitter.

Multi-PCM requires re-clocking in the receiver/processor if jitter is to be suppressed. Assuming this is the case, there won't likely be any difference. It's certainly possible that cheaper receivers will do this "less well" as prices continue to drop. OTOH, bitstream will eventually usurp multi-PCM anyway.

Info on jitter:



http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...0&postcount=96

http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthrea...7#post12389387

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=908665
post #1509 of 15133
I've just started the process of looking into Blu-Ray players. Is there a way to switch the sound through the digital output to my processor without having to turn the sound down or muting the TV? Currently I am using a Denon 2910 DVD player and it has DVI out going to the TV and a digital audio cable going to the processor. I haven't seen any DVI out on any of the Blu-ray players, and my processor does not have an HDMI input/output for switching. One of the salespeople at the home theater store said you can switch it off with the menu on the blu-ray players.
post #1510 of 15133
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Originally Posted by JDMoose View Post

I've just started the process of looking into Blu-Ray players. Is there a way to switch the sound through the digital output to my processor without having to turn the sound down or muting the TV? Currently I am using a Denon 2910 DVD player and it has DVI out going to the TV and a digital audio cable going to the processor. I haven't seen any DVI out on any of the Blu-ray players, and my processor does not have an HDMI input/output for switching. One of the salespeople at the home theater store said you can switch it off with the menu on the blu-ray players.

Can't you use an HDMI-DVI cable or adapter to connect the player directly to your TV, while using an audio cable from the player to your receiver? That's what I plan to do (my display also only has a DVI input).
post #1511 of 15133
I was wondering which would most recommend here? I'm trying to decide between the Samsung BD-P1500 and the Panasonic DMP-BD30. I know the Sammy is BD Live, which I feel is somewhat important, but I'm wondering if I'm placing too much importance upon it? It looks like the Panny gets better independent reviews than the Sammy, so I'm really rather torn. I've got a 52" Mitsu DLP (supporting 1080p) and the Denon AVR-487 (with corresponding speakers from the DHT-487 package). Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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I have the Samsung 1200 and the picture is stunning. I love the HQV Reon upscaling and I have several SD disc that I plan to keep. But as most of you know it has been a pain in the butt, with lots of glitches. I also have a great amp (HK635) but no HDMI inputs or decoding options so I use analog inputs. Which means I don't get TrueHD or DTS HDMA. I was going to pick up a 2.0 player with onboard decoding of all the audio codecs and decided on the Sony BDP 550. Then I see that Samsung is coming out with a new 2500 that will do that as well and it includes the Reon chipset. And maybe even a few bucks less?

What's your vote? Go with the Sony quality or give Samsuck another chance and get that great Reon processor?
post #1513 of 15133
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

Can't you use an HDMI-DVI cable or adapter to connect the player directly to your TV, while using an audio cable from the player to your receiver? That's what I plan to do (my display also only has a DVI input).

I have a Sony 46Z series. It has an HDMI in for a HDMI to DVI but all the Blu-ray players only have HDMI. If the sound can't be switched with the setup of the Blu-Ray then I guess one would have to use an HDMI/DVI adapter. Blue Jeans cable has them for $12 each. Seems like you would have the option of turning off the sound to the TV since most people with Blu-ray players listen to them through their home theater systems.
post #1514 of 15133
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Originally Posted by JDMoose View Post

I have a Sony 46Z series. It has an HDMI in for a HDMI to DVI but all the Blu-ray players only have HDMI. If the sound can't be switched with the setup of the Blu-Ray then I guess one would have to use an HDMI/DVI adapter. Blue Jeans cable has them for $12 each. Seems like you would have the option of turning off the sound to the TV since most people with Blu-ray players listen to them through their home theater systems.

The adapter is <$4 at Monoprice. You don't have to turn off the audio since DVI does not carry audio. So if you use an HDMI/DVI adapter to connect the HDMI cable to the DVI input on the TV, no audio will reach the TV.
post #1515 of 15133
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Originally Posted by Tarheel72 View Post

What's your vote? Go with the Sony quality or give Samsuck another chance and get that great Reon processor?

I think you answered your own question. Yes, the Samsungs have delivered excellent PQ, but their reliability (across many different DVD players) have been substandard, IMO. You may also want to look at Panny and Pioneer.
post #1516 of 15133
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

The adapter is <$4 at Monoprice. You don't have to turn off the audio since DVI does not carry audio. So if you use an HDMI/DVI adapter to connect the HDMI cable to the DVI input on the TV, no audio will reach the TV.

Thanks for the update. I realize that HDMI produces video and audio and DVI video only. Is there a setting on the Blu-ray menu to run video only through the HDMI and audio through the digital audio out?
post #1517 of 15133
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Originally Posted by JDMoose View Post

Thanks for the update. I realize that HDMI produces video and audio and DVI video only. Is there a setting on the Blu-ray menu to run video only through the HDMI and audio through the digital audio out?

I may be wrong, and it may depend on the specific BD player, but I believe you can simultaneously run audio/video through the HDMI (only the video would reach your display through the HDMI/DVI adapter) and audio through either analog or digital outputs to your receiver without having to change any settings in the menu, so you should be good to go. As soon as the Pioneer 51 is available, I plan to get my 1st BD player and do just that, run HDMI to HDMI/DVI adapter to my old 720p DLP, and 2-ch analog audio to my integrated amp.
post #1518 of 15133
hey, whats up? got some questions about blue ray. am getting a samsung 61" dlp in couple of weeks and was thinking about getting a blue ray too...
am mostly looking at basic sony model (BDP-S350)

I'm assuming sony's are probably the best, since they invented the whole blue ray technology.... yes? no?

are ps3's blue ray playing capabilities just as good as stand alone units?
can ps3's upconvert SD dvd's like the stand alone units can?

MAIN CONCERN: how good of quality is the upconverting done by the above mentioned model (STR-DG720)??? I have a HUGE SD dvd collection ...originally I was going to just buy a top off the line upconverting (to 1080P) dvd player, it is an oppo which is supposed to be the absolute best one and uses the best chip set ( DCDi by Faroudja) and I realize still won't quite be as good as blueray, but i also don't have a huge library of blue ray movies

BUT.... now that the blue rays have come down to a reasonable price, if the upconverting qualites compare to that of the oppo, i will just pay a little extra and get it now, and forget about the oppo. and if sony Blue ray's upconvert sux, then will just get the oppo for now and get a blue ray down the road.

Can anyone vouge for the STR-DG720's upconvert capabillities?
Can anyone vouge for the ps3's blue ray player capabilities and or its ability or lack of to upconvert SD dvd's like the stand alones?
post #1519 of 15133
Just remember for one its Blu-ray not BLUE...
post #1520 of 15133
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Originally Posted by cpcat View Post

There are theoretical advantages to bitstream in its inherent immunity to the effects of jitter.

Multi-PCM requires re-clocking in the receiver/processor if jitter is to be suppressed. Assuming this is the case, there won't likely be any difference. It's certainly possible that cheaper receivers will do this "less well" as prices continue to drop. OTOH, bitstream will eventually usurp multi-PCM anyway.

Info on jitter:



http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...0&postcount=96

http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthrea...7#post12389387

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=908665

Nonsense. Jitter is easily dealt with. If it's not, we're back to your receiver not dealing with things properly.

And FYI, bitstream is not usurping anything. Blu-Ray features are set up so they need in-player decoding and HD-DVD required in-player decoding. If anything, the reverse is true because the players will do all the decoding and the receiver manufacturers will be able to save a couple of dollars by removing stuff no one will use.
post #1521 of 15133
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Originally Posted by mbg10484 View Post

hey, whats up? got some questions about blue ray. am getting a samsung 61" dlp in couple of weeks and was thinking about getting a blue ray too...
am mostly looking at basic sony model (STR-DG720)

I'm assuming sony's are probably the best, since they invented the whole blue ray technology.... yes? no?

are ps3's blue ray playing capabilities just as good as stand alone units?
can ps3's upconvert SD dvd's like the stand alone units can?

MAIN CONCERN: how good of quality is the upconverting done by the above mentioned model (STR-DG720)??? I have a HUGE SD dvd collection ...originally I was going to just buy a top off the line upconverting (to 1080P) dvd player, it is an oppo which is supposed to be the absolute best one and uses the best chip set ( DCDi by Faroudja) and I realize still won't quite be as good as blueray, but i also don't have a huge library of blue ray movies

BUT.... now that the blue rays have come down to a reasonable price, if the upconverting qualites compare to that of the oppo, i will just pay a little extra and get it now, and forget about the oppo. and if sony Blue ray's upconvert sux, then will just get the oppo for now and get a blue ray down the road.

Can anyone vouge for the STR-DG720's upconvert capabillities?
Can anyone vouge for the ps3's blue ray player capabilities and or its ability or lack of to upconvert SD dvd's like the stand alones?

I would recommend reading the specific thread's on the ps3 and other standalone players to get specific reviews.

That said, the blu-ray playback is pretty much the same across all the players from what I can tell.

Upconverting DVD's vary in quality, but the PS3 is probably the best from what I hear. The main reason to go with a standalone would be support for lossless audio streaming. Picturewise the ps3 is the best bang for the buck.

-Splints
post #1522 of 15133
I have a Yamaha HTR-5860 non-HDMI receiver. I'm looking for my first Blu-ray player now and at some point in the next 6 mos I'll be looking to get a second Blu-ray player when we move into a new house. My inital plan was to purchase a BD50, match it up with the Yammy and use the analog outs to enjoy the lossless HD audio codecs. Then I'd get the Onkyo 805 to go along with the 2nd player (BD30?) later on.

However, I'm also considering just getting the 805 with a BD30 now and wait on the other BD player. Maybe Oppo would've released a player at that point. Any thoughts on which way you'd go would be appreciated? BTW, I've saved up my gov't rebate check so I can "stimulate the econmy" with this purchase.
post #1523 of 15133
bfore13, it depends on your needs. The Pannys have not received very good reviews for their SD DVD upscaling abilities, but are great for BDs. If you're interested in upscaling, I'd recommend the PS3 or the new Pioneer 51 being released in about 2 weeks (cheaper and probably better than the Panny BD50).
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Having a 2 year old Yamaha reciever that cost over a grand'I do not want to upgrade yet.What Bd player will give me with the new HD sounds.HDDTS ECT.MY RECIEVER HAS HDMI inputs but does not decde the newwe Blue ray codecs.I have the Magnavox Bd player and it only passes the new sounds.I need the player to decode them .THANKS
post #1525 of 15133
ps3.
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If only there was a 'Sticky' thread that had this kind of information, eh?




Oh wait, there is! http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1050507

(Great reference, lthough it may not be up to date with the latest players.)
post #1527 of 15133
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Originally Posted by buddahead View Post

Having a 2 year old Yamaha reciever that cost over a grand'I do not want to upgrade yet.What Bd player will give me with the new HD sounds.HDDTS ECT.MY RECIEVER HAS HDMI inputs but does not decde the newwe Blue ray codecs.I have the Magnavox Bd player and it only passes the new sounds.I need the player to decode them .THANKS

Why did you get the Magnavox knowing it only passes and doesn't decode the new formats?
post #1528 of 15133
Which one is the best bang for the buck. I have a PS3 but I'm looking for a second player but don't wanna spend over 3 bills.
post #1529 of 15133
I'm thinking this is a good time to consider my first Blu Ray player.

Background/Criteria:
*Not interested in PS3 (player will be rack-mounted).
*Upconversion not critical (I have an XA2 which is a very good upscaler)
*Want player to be profile 2 compatible or upgradable (yes I understand the difference between 1.1 and 2.0)
*I have a NAD T-175 pre-pro (HDMI 1.3 but it does not decode most advanced codecs within the pre-pro)
*Wont spend more than $700 on player

Looks like the upcoming Sony BDP-S550 would possibly fit this criteria for me quite nicely. Other than waiting for this player should I be seriously considering another player?
post #1530 of 15133
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Originally Posted by LonnyE View Post

I'm thinking this is a good time to consider my first Blu Ray player.

Background/Criteria:
*Not interested in PS3 (player will be rack-mounted).
*Upconversion not critical (I have an XA2 which is a very good upscaler)
*Want player to be profile 2 compatible or upgradable (yes I understand the difference between 1.1 and 2.0)
*I have a NAD T-175 pre-pro (HDMI 1.3 but it does not decode most advanced codecs within the pre-pro)
*Wont spend more than $700 on player

Looks like the upcoming Sony BDP-S550 would possibly fit this criteria for me quite nicely. Other than waiting for this player should I be seriously considering another player?

The Panasonic BD50 meets all your criteria and is being released now - no need to wait for the Sony.
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