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Originally Posted by RKSKYDANCER View Post

Can someone tell me what Blu-Ray 3-D players has Amazon instant video included? I know of the Sony S5100 and S790 players. How about some of the higher end players from Cambridge, Marantz, Yamaha or Oppo-103? My new TV doesn't have it so I was going to get a new Blu-Ray player that has it. Or can someone tell me of another way or device to stream Amazon video's? thanks

I believe Panasonic, Samsung, and Sony are the ones with it......actually better than that here is a list for you:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/video/ontv/devices
post #15002 of 16490
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Originally Posted by RKSKYDANCER View Post

Can someone tell me what Blu-Ray 3-D players has Amazon instant video included? I know of the Sony S5100 and S790 players. How about some of the higher end players from Cambridge, Marantz, Yamaha or Oppo-103? My new TV doesn't have it so I was going to get a new Blu-Ray player that has it. Or can someone tell me of another way or device to stream Amazon video's? thanks


Bd players:

The 2012 and 2013 panasonic players

The 2013 samsung players

Other devices:

Roku or Sony media player (smp-n200)
post #15003 of 16490
Thanks guys! PH8te, that list is just what I needed. I was hoping that some of the higher end players had it but I see they don't. What did surprise me is that my new TV is on that Amazon list. I didn't know that it was capable of it. nowhere on the box or on any description about the features does it show the Amazon app. In the next few days I will try to register it with my Amazon account and see what happens.
post #15004 of 16490
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Originally Posted by RKSKYDANCER View Post

Thanks guys! PH8te, that list is just what I needed. I was hoping that some of the higher end players had it but I see they don't. What did surprise me is that my new TV is on that Amazon list. I didn't know that it was capable of it. nowhere on the box or on any description about the features does it show the Amazon app. In the next few days I will try to register it with my Amazon account and see what happens.

I have an older Vizio XVT-47, it has Amazon, Netflix, etc and handles them pretty well. You're not going to get lossless sound, so I run an optical cable back to my AVR, get respectable sound through that.

The Oppo 103/105 s are able to add a Roku stick by a USB connector in the front (50 through Oppo) which gives you access to Amazon, etc. I have all of that on my TV, though so I don't see the need.

The reason to go to a player based implementation to me is to get the video processing done on the input signal by the player's video processor.
post #15005 of 16490
^ it uses MHL ... Not USB
post #15006 of 16490
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

^ it uses MHL ... Not USB

Correct. MHL..
post #15007 of 16490
I'm about to buy a 3d projector but my a/v receiver (onkyo 807) is not 3d compatible,,,so i'll need a br player with twin hdmi outputs...
From panasonic i have 2 options ..the bdt500 and the newest bdt330...
What other models/brands support twin hmdi?

Are any of the above 2 panasonic's able to play .mkv with HD audio format and external subtitles from an external ntfs hard disk?

I'd also like the option to adjust subtitles placement in both br and .mkv...

Thanks!
post #15008 of 16490
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Originally Posted by soulkeeper View Post

I'm about to buy a 3d projector but my a/v receiver (onkyo 807) is not 3d compatible,,,so i'll need a br player with twin hdmi outputs...
From panasonic i have 2 options ..the bdt500 and the newest bdt330...
What other models/brands support twin hmdi?

Are any of the above 2 panasonic's able to play .mkv with HD audio format and external subtitles from an external ntfs hard disk?

I'd also like the option to adjust subtitles placement in both br and .mkv...

Thanks!

Subtitle shift is an OPPO feature; I haven't heard of it on other models. OPPO has your other features, too. But: $499 new.

-Bill
post #15009 of 16490
Are there any other blu-ray players that are fanless other than the OPPO BDP-103 and 105?
I'm extremely sensitive to noise and both my ps3 fat/slim are like jet engines to my ears. I've cleaned them, I've tried to put a cabinet in them etc.
I have a HTPC that is passive save a 500rpm volt modded fan cooling my nvidia 460 and I do have a blu-ray drive for the system but getting the included software to work sucks.
Thus.. what are my choices.. I don't care at all about 3D/SACD/DVD-Audio JUST a fully passive/fanless blu-ray player. A search led disappointingly few results.
NOT talking 'oh my fan is quiet i never hear it', I'm talking needs to be inaudible <1meter for me to even consider.

As a side note... I often wonder why the a/v computer seems to not care much about having a low noise floor in their systems (for pcs there are dedicated websites to silent computing).
Every time a silent scene in one of my artsy criterion discs (generally probably 80% of art-house films contain awkward silent pauses) comes on all I hear is the wrrrr of the ps3 and my damned old lcd tv!
post #15010 of 16490
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Originally Posted by systemlayers View Post

Are there any other blu-ray players that are fanless other than the OPPO BDP-103 and 105?
I'm extremely sensitive to noise and both my ps3 fat/slim are like jet engines to my ears. I've cleaned them, I've tried to put a cabinet in them etc.
I have a HTPC that is passive save a 500rpm volt modded fan cooling my nvidia 460 and I do have a blu-ray drive for the system but getting the included software to work sucks.
Thus.. what are my choices.. I don't care at all about 3D/SACD/DVD-Audio JUST a fully passive/fanless blu-ray player. A search led disappointingly few results.
NOT talking 'oh my fan is quiet i never hear it', I'm talking needs to be inaudible <1meter for me to even consider.

As a side note... I often wonder why the a/v computer seems to not care much about having a low noise floor in their systems (for pcs there are dedicated websites to silent computing).
Every time a silent scene in one of my artsy criterion discs (generally probably 80% of art-house films contain awkward silent pauses) comes on all I hear is the wrrrr of the ps3 and my damned old lcd tv!
IIRC, my samsung players from a few years ago were fanless. You can usually tell if there is no circular vent on the back. However, I've found the disc drive is usually a lot louder than the fans, so there isn't much you can do about that. I wouldn't wish a PS3 on anybody. Just about anything will be a huge improvement over that. Not what you want to hear, but I've never heard the fan in any of my standalone players (sony, panasonic, toshiba, insignia, LG). My PS3 was like a jet engine, as you've described. It was a happy day when I got rid of that thing.
post #15011 of 16490
Sony's s790 has dual HDMI outputs. Its fan is very quiet.

Sony's s5100 is fanless, but has only one HDMI output and no analog outputs.
post #15012 of 16490
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Originally Posted by soulkeeper View Post

I'm about to buy a 3d projector but my a/v receiver (onkyo 807) is not 3d compatible,,,so i'll need a br player with twin hdmi outputs...
From panasonic i have 2 options ..the bdt500 and the newest bdt330...
What other models/brands support twin hmdi?

Are any of the above 2 panasonic's able to play .mkv with HD audio format and external subtitles from an external ntfs hard disk?

I'd also like the option to adjust subtitles placement in both br and .mkv...

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Subtitle shift is an OPPO feature; I haven't heard of it on other models. OPPO has your other features, too. But: $499 new.

-Bill

It's pricey for me....

Well i found this about subtitles..

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1395341/official-panasonic-dmp-bdt-220-320-500-owners-thread/3570#post_23199069

it's for the 320 and he refers to BR...don't know about .mkv....

I already have a media player but it would be nice if my new BR player could replace it...
post #15013 of 16490
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

However, I've found the disc drive is usually a lot louder than the fans, so there isn't much you can do about that. I wouldn't wish a PS3 on anybody. Just about anything will be a huge improvement over that. Not what you want to hear, but I've never heard the fan in any of my standalone players (sony, panasonic, toshiba, insignia, LG). My PS3 was like a jet engine, as you've described. It was a happy day when I got rid of that thing.

+1

The optical drives for the players I have had have been much louder than the fans.
post #15014 of 16490
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Sony's s790 has dual HDMI outputs. Its fan is very quiet.

Sony's s5100 is fanless, but has only one HDMI output and no analog outputs.

Thanks. I'll debate between the S5100 features and the BDP-103. I might just save up for the Oppo since it's better built internally I'd think. (probably no chance of coil wine or any of that).

There IS a difference between optical drive noise too though, at least i've experienced it with different computer optical drives over the years. Plextor had some high end drives that were a fair bit lower noise as well as being more accurate for playback/ripping (Drive Accuracy if you want to get really nerdy). Hopefully if 4k ever comes around everything will just be on solid state chips which = absolute zero noise.
I guess I could buy both the S51000 and Oppo and compare them noise wise and return one.
post #15015 of 16490
790 Sony is an excellent player and does do 4K upscale too
post #15016 of 16490
I had to go through 3 Sony BX510's at my local Cosco this week before I found one where the optical drive didn't make a really high pitched whine or rattled/vibrated badly. Beyond that, i'm loving it for my first Blu Ray player
post #15017 of 16490
Sony 790 may have a quiet fan, but the drive is not. The new Panasonic 230 drive is the noisiest Panasonic I have had. My 320 is silent. It is a slot drive.

S~
post #15018 of 16490
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Sony 790 may have a quiet fan, but the drive is not. The new Panasonic 230 drive is the noisiest Panasonic I have had. My 320 is silent. It is a slot drive.

S~

I was tempted to pick up the last Panny 320 at Wal-Mart on clearance for $138 but stories of that horrid touch pad remote and personal experience with Panasonics crappy and slow Viesa GUI and piss poor netflix performance from my BDT-220 usage made me pass on it. To bad, as the player does look really fricking slick with that middle slot drive. I really wish more companies offered more slot drive models, tray models are just so old school and boring looking.
post #15019 of 16490
Hey guys!

I was wondering if there are still any multi-disc bluray players in the market, im looking for something that can hold around 20 to 50 BDs

Cheers
post #15020 of 16490
Video disc carousels typically hold 300-400 discs, but even used ones are hard to find.
Sony and Pioneer used to make them, but not any more.

Many people have been copying their video discs to file servers. Unfortunately, with the advent of Cinavia copy protection, that might not be an option for new titles for much longer. At the moment, Sony disc players don't enforce it for DLNA, but that probably won't last for long frown.gif

A quick Web search located the Kaleidescape Vault M700 with a list price of $6000. http://www.kaleidescape.com/products/disc-vaults/m700/
I seem to recall that some of the studios were quite upset about it.
post #15021 of 16490
So I'm definitely considering the S5100 but one question.. sometimes I see people post subjectively about the quality of upscaling of DVDs. Is the difference (in just upscaling of DVDs) between the S5100 and the higher end Oppos really that large?
It's basically impossible to find upscaling comparisons other than subjective opinions.
I would imagine that MPC-HC+MADVR would be even better than those options with dvds.
post #15022 of 16490
I haven't seen any objective measurements of the upscaling abilities of the various players, except in so far as they pass the various video signal stress tests like those performed by "Secrets" (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/). Those tests aren't unique to DVD upscaling, though.

A problem is that the quality of the video on DVDs varies a lot. Some are as good as a DVD can provide, some have substantial edge enhancements, and some are worse than VHS video tapes. As a result, many people like to have a variety of video processing options available in the player, which are not included in Sony's S5100. Sony's S790 and Panasonic's BDT500 provide those options and cost between $250 and $300. Oppo's players are about twice that.
post #15023 of 16490
As you say quality varies and I really wonder what # of discs could truly benefit from the higher quality players that wouldn't be released in a better blu-ray package already. The number has got to be very low by now. Using this line of reasoning I don't think I'll benefit from a higher quality player. Of the dvds I own I think only 10-20 are rare enough they don't exist in any other format and I most of those are just very poor rips (like telesyncs). I have half a mind to get an OPPO and try it v.s the Sony by actually capturing the difference in upscaling/processing quality, it'd be an interesting test that most don't seem to undergo.

Blu-rays don't seem to suffer from as many variations in quality as dvds (like the straight from VHS rips I've seen) although I know there have been some gaffed releases. Is the reason for that the high cost for barrier to entry?
post #15024 of 16490
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Originally Posted by systemlayers View Post

As you say quality varies and I really wonder what # of discs could truly benefit from the higher quality players that wouldn't be released in a better blu-ray package already. The number has got to be very low by now. Using this line of reasoning I don't think I'll benefit from a higher quality player. Of the dvds I own I think only 10-20 are rare enough they don't exist in any other format and I most of those are just very poor rips (like telesyncs). I have half a mind to get an OPPO and try it v.s the Sony by actually capturing the difference in upscaling/processing quality, it'd be an interesting test that most don't seem to undergo.

Blu-rays don't seem to suffer from as many variations in quality as dvds (like the straight from VHS rips I've seen) although I know there have been some gaffed releases. Is the reason for that the high cost for barrier to entry?
IIRC, Oppo, Sony and Panasonic all currently use the same video processor, hence upscaling should be very similar. It would be nice to have some hard data though. So if you are inclined to buy several players for comparison, please share the results with us.
post #15025 of 16490
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Originally Posted by systemlayers View Post

As you say quality varies and I really wonder what # of discs could truly benefit from the higher quality players that wouldn't be released in a better blu-ray package already. The number has got to be very low by now. Using this line of reasoning I don't think I'll benefit from a higher quality player. Of the dvds I own I think only 10-20 are rare enough they don't exist in any other format and I most of those are just very poor rips (like telesyncs). I have half a mind to get an OPPO and try it v.s the Sony by actually capturing the difference in upscaling/processing quality, it'd be an interesting test that most don't seem to undergo.

Blu-rays don't seem to suffer from as many variations in quality as dvds (like the straight from VHS rips I've seen) although I know there have been some gaffed releases. Is the reason for that the high cost for barrier to entry?

I think that upscaling quality by nature is subjective to some degree. There is not a 'correct' way to convert each pixel from a low resolution image into several pixels to simulate a higher resolution image, so there are some creative variables here that come down to personal preference.

I love my Sony BDP-S590, but one thing it does not do is offer sharpness or noise reduction controls. My previous player (LG BD670) had these settings and by default there was sharpness being applied. I found those controls to have very little impact on BD playback, but it had a significant impact on my perception of DVDs being upscaled. Some opinions being shared about upscaling quality may not be taking these sorts of variables into account. I have seen many opinions shared that 'x' player was better at upscaling than 'y' player, but I rarely see any sort of indication the user tried to tweak the image settings to their liking on each player.

I think this is a matter where it's best to form your own opinion. Also, to some degree you have to learn to forgive image quality if you wish to watch content that wasn't captured and/or distributed up to modern quality standards. No upscaler can make a DVD look like a Blu-ray, so to your point if you don't expect to watch a lot of DVDs and you don't need specialty features like DVD-A or analog outs, you might do fine without a high end player and have some money left over to upgrade your media.
post #15026 of 16490
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

IIRC, Oppo, Sony and Panasonic all currently use the same video processor, hence upscaling should be very similar. It would be nice to have some hard data though. So if you are inclined to buy several players for comparison, please share the results with us.

The Oppo does use the QDEO, but the 103 (different from the 93/95) does not use it or uses it lightly for DVD upscaling (or other features). The Mediatek chip in the Oppo is much more heavily used, and is really the basis for upscaling DVDs.

The presence of a chip doesn't necessarily mean that the performance will be the same. It's like having the same engine in a sedan and a sportscar. They are the same basic engine, but it's what you do with it that counts.

The quality of the programming in the firmware that uses that chip is what differentiates players in my opinion. I think bluray quality is similar in players (not exactly the same though), but the upscaling is more variable.
post #15027 of 16490
We have the SONY XBR65HX950 TV, PIONEER Elite SC-55 7.2 AV Receiver ( currently using 5.1 as we live in a small condo ) as well as a PIONEER Elite BDP-53FD Blu ray player in the living room.

What would be a better Bluray player unit in this set up since we are thinking of using the existing one in the bedroom.
post #15028 of 16490
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Originally Posted by Henry Cheung View Post

We have the SONY XBR65HX950 TV, PIONEER Elite SC-55 7.2 AV Receiver ( currently using 5.1 as we live in a small condo ) as well as a PIONEER Elite BDP-53FD Blu ray player in the living room.

What would be a better Bluray player unit in this set up since we are thinking of using the existing one in the bedroom.

How would you use the player? You have a player that plays bluray, dvd, DVD-A, SACD, streaming and DLNA.

If you want to replicate those, then you're talking Oppo.

If you are using bluray only, then the Panasonics and Sonys would do.

If you want SACD as well as bluray, then the Sonys and Oppo.

If you want capable DVD upscaling as well, then the higher end Sonys and Panasonic + Oppo.

Since your receiver is able to pass 3D through, two HDMI outputs is not needed. The BDP-53 doesn't have analog outputs, so I assume you use HDMI only, so that's not needed.

If you use DLNA and need coverage for a lot of file formats, I'd look at the files handled by the Sony or Panasonics, otherwise, Oppo to get full coverage.

So a lot of options depending on how you use your system, and how you may expand in the future.
post #15029 of 16490
Thanks for your guidance. We primarily use the Blu-Ray player to play movies... but would like to be able to attach a hard drive connected with 2 USB ports for power ( with either support of NTFS or exFAT file systems ) hopefully can display Chinese characters for music and downloaded videos... The drive is being attached to the SONY TV directly but it does not show any songs or videos with Chinese titles .. just a bunch of garbled characters. We were sold the Pioneer Elite BDP-53FD as a bundle but was not told that it only support the FAT file system which is no much good for any videos and also doesn't support Chinese titles. We also currently use the SONY TV to watch Youtube as well. Yes, all the components are connected through the AV receiver with HDMI. We also have an APPLE TV current version connected for airplay connection to our iPhone 5 & iPAD.

I just don't want to make the same mistake again in choosing the correct unit this second time around.
post #15030 of 16490
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Originally Posted by Henry Cheung View Post

Thanks for your guidance. We primarily use the Blu-Ray player to play movies... but would like to be able to attach a hard drive connected with 2 USB ports for power ( with either support of NTFS or exFAT file systems ) hopefully can display Chinese characters for music and downloaded videos... The drive is being attached to the SONY TV directly but it does not show any songs or videos with Chinese titles .. just a bunch of garbled characters. We were sold the Pioneer Elite BDP-53FD as a bundle but was not told that it only support the FAT file system which is no much good for any videos and also doesn't support Chinese titles. We also currently use the SONY TV to watch Youtube as well. Yes, all the components are connected through the AV receiver with HDMI. We also have an APPLE TV current version connected for airplay connection to our iPhone 5 & iPAD.

I just don't want to make the same mistake again in choosing the correct unit this second time around.

The Oppo will take an NTFS or exFAT formatted drive, I believe. I think it handles subtitles in MKV files with srt subtitles embedded, using the utf8 protocol that supports Chinese characters .

I would ask the same question on the Oppo 103 discussion group, where there are probably owners who have done what you need.

The 103 also supports SMB, so you can access shared drives on your network, so don't need to connect directly if you'd rather have a looser connection. Oppo has a one month return policy, so if it doesn't do what you want, return it (you do pay shipping back).

Outside of the Oppo world, have you tried DLNA as a way to access your videos? Maybe that would also provide what you need, since some DLNA servers may be able to process the chinese subtitles.

I'm an Oppo owner, so I hold them in high regard, but if DLNA can do the job, and you can set something up so a server is available, that may also be an option.
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