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Can someone tell me what is best for audio when connecting a Blu-ray player to a Receiver or should I use a CD only player for music? What is the difference and why? What will play 2.1 channel and what will play 5.1 channel? I am using HDMI right now and always thought HDMI was best but somewhere I read Component out was best. If so how is this connected and which player is best? I am looking at the Sony 5100, Sony 790 or Oppo 103 as a 3D Blu-ray player. I have a Sony S-580 right now. Here is a list of outputs choices on different players for audio.

HDMI out 1.4
Coax out ( orange)
Digital out ( optical)
Audio out ( red & white)
Component out
post #15062 of 16454
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Originally Posted by RKSKYDANCER View Post

Can someone tell me what is best for audio when connecting a Blu-ray player to a Receiver or should I use a CD only player for music? What is the difference and why? What will play 2.1 channel and what will play 5.1 channel? I am using HDMI right now and always thought HDMI was best but somewhere I read Component out was best. If so how is this connected and which player is best? I am looking at the Sony 5100, Sony 790 or Oppo 103 as a 3D Blu-ray player. I have a Sony S-580 right now. Here is a list of outputs choices on different players for audio.

HDMI out 1.4
Coax out ( orange)
Digital out ( optical)
Audio out ( red & white)
Component out

The digital outputs (HDMI, coax, optical) should be the same between players.

Analog output (stereo or multichannel) will differ depending on the hardware.

You cannot say analog (I think you are calling it component, but we generally use that word for older video output) is better than HDMI (or the reverse) because it depends on which device does the digital-to-analog conversion: the player or the receiver.

HDMI does everything.

People have have HDMI in their receivers generally use it, so you don't need analog audio outputs on the player.

-Bill
post #15063 of 16454
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

Which Pioneer bluray? It seems like they are all standardized on Picasa, Netflix and Pandora for streaming. They are all also HDMI based, with no optical link, only coaxial and no analog outs.

It seems that if you want the lossless sound codecs (TrueHD and DTS-HD-MA) from bluray, you will need analog outputs on the player, since yours is not an HDMI capable receiver. If you don't want the lossless sound, then you can use coax for sound.

I too am looking to replace an older player. I though when you were looking at mid level to higher end Blurays players with HDMI outputs to AV receivers that decode those loss-less formats the player needed to have an option of bypassing the players decoder and output the raw data via a bitstream?

Am I mistaken?
post #15064 of 16454
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

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Originally Posted by RKSKYDANCER View Post

Can someone tell me what is best for audio when connecting a Blu-ray player to a Receiver or should I use a CD only player for music? What is the difference and why? What will play 2.1 channel and what will play 5.1 channel? I am using HDMI right now and always thought HDMI was best but somewhere I read Component out was best. If so how is this connected and which player is best? I am looking at the Sony 5100, Sony 790 or Oppo 103 as a 3D Blu-ray player. I have a Sony S-580 right now. Here is a list of outputs choices on different players for audio.

HDMI out 1.4
Coax out ( orange)
Digital out ( optical)
Audio out ( red & white)
Component out

The digital outputs (HDMI, coax, optical) should be the same between players.

Analog output (stereo or multichannel) will differ depending on the hardware.

You cannot say analog (I think you are calling it component, but we generally use that word for older video output) is better than HDMI (or the reverse) because it depends on which device does the digital-to-analog conversion: the player or the receiver.

HDMI does everything.

People have have HDMI in their receivers generally use it, so you don't need analog audio outputs on the player.

-Bill

Thanks, i did some more research and found out HDMI out is what most new good players put the best audio out or at least multi channel audio. I just need to make sure to get a player that has a good DAC like the Cambrigde,Oppo,Marantz or maybe even the Panasonic BD-500 or Sony  BD-790.

post #15065 of 16454
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Originally Posted by RKSKYDANCER View Post

Thanks, i did some more research and found out HDMI out is what most new good players put the best audio out or at least multi channel audio. I just need to make sure to get a player that has a good DAC like the Cambrigde,Oppo,Marantz or maybe even the Panasonic BD-500 or Sony  BD-790.

If you are using HDMI then the player DAC is not involved. DAC = "digital to analog". HDMI is all digital. It is the DAC in the receiver that will matter if you use HDMI.

-Bill
post #15066 of 16454
RKSKYDANCER - Some of the players you listed also have multichannel analog outputs.

With analog, all processing such as bass management and the DAC is done in the player. With digital, everything is done in the processor. Processors usually have better processing tools than players, including room correction software such as Audyssey. So, digital generally works better. And, it's unlikely you will be able to hear any difference between DACs.

But, if you prefer the stereo analog output of a player for music, you can use the dedicated stereo outputs for that and HDMI for multichannel sources.
Edited by BIslander - 4/29/13 at 5:46am
post #15067 of 16454
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Originally Posted by Barrybud View Post

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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

Which Pioneer bluray? It seems like they are all standardized on Picasa, Netflix and Pandora for streaming. They are all also HDMI based, with no optical link, only coaxial and no analog outs.

It seems that if you want the lossless sound codecs (TrueHD and DTS-HD-MA) from bluray, you will need analog outputs on the player, since yours is not an HDMI capable receiver. If you don't want the lossless sound, then you can use coax for sound.

I too am looking to replace an older player. I though when you were looking at mid level to higher end Blurays players with HDMI outputs to AV receivers that decode those loss-less formats the player needed to have an option of bypassing the players decoder and output the raw data via a bitstream?

Am I mistaken?
All players have such settings, although it doesn't matter where a lossless soundtrack is decoded when the connection is HDMI. You get the same PCM either way.
post #15068 of 16454
A minor quibble: the S790 is still in production. The S5100 replaces the S590 and is not Sony's flagship player.
post #15069 of 16454
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

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Originally Posted by RKSKYDANCER View Post

Thanks, i did some more research and found out HDMI out is what most new good players put the best audio out or at least multi channel audio. I just need to make sure to get a player that has a good DAC like the Cambrigde,Oppo,Marantz or maybe even the Panasonic BD-500 or Sony  BD-790.

If you are using HDMI then the player DAC is not involved. DAC = "digital to analog". HDMI is all digital. It is the DAC in the receiver that will matter if you use HDMI.

-Bill
I see, So really there should be no difference between a $100.00 player and a $600.00 unit playing music if you have your Blu-Ray player connected via HDMI to a modern receiver? Is this correct?
post #15070 of 16454
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

RKSKYDANCER - Some of the players you listed also have multichannel analog outputs.

With analog, all processing such as bass management and the DAC is done in the player. With digital, everything is done in the processor. Processors usually have better processing tools than players, including room correction software such as Audyssey. So, digital generally works better. And, it's unlikely you will be able to hear any difference between DACs.

But, if you prefer the stereo analog output of a player for music, you can use the dedicated stereo outputs for that and HDMI for multichannel sources.
Got it! So what is the purpose of buying a high end CD player or Blu-Ray player for music if using a digital connection with a modern AVR receiver? Is there any advantages in music playback say between my Sony BDP-S580 and a Oppo 103 connected via HDMI? I am sure there is plenty of improvements in the Video department.
post #15071 of 16454
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Originally Posted by RKSKYDANCER View Post

[I see, So really there should be no difference between a $100.00 player and a $600.00 unit playing music if you have your Blu-Ray player connected via HDMI to a modern receiver? Is this correct?

No difference in audio quality. There may be other features that make a difference.

-Bill
post #15072 of 16454
+1
With digital, the player is just a transport.
post #15073 of 16454
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Originally Posted by RKSKYDANCER View Post

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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

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Originally Posted by RKSKYDANCER View Post

Thanks, i did some more research and found out HDMI out is what most new good players put the best audio out or at least multi channel audio. I just need to make sure to get a player that has a good DAC like the Cambrigde,Oppo,Marantz or maybe even the Panasonic BD-500 or Sony BD-790.

If you are using HDMI then the player DAC is not involved. DAC = "digital to analog". HDMI is all digital. It is the DAC in the receiver that will matter if you use HDMI.

-Bill
I see, So really there should be no difference between a $100.00 player and a $600.00 unit playing music if you have your Blu-Ray player connected via HDMI to a modern receiver? Is this correct?

'Music' is a pretty broad term. There shouldn't be a difference in sound quality when playing from discs because any player should bitstream the output. However, I wouldn't assume the same is true for digital audio files from USB or over the network. There may be some players that convert everything to output at 48 kHz (I know that some streamers such as the AppleTV do this).

Also if you have any high resolution audio files (example 96 KHz 24 bit FLAC or WAV) you won't be able to play them in their native resolution on most budget players, but some high end players do support high sampling rates.
post #15074 of 16454
Time to turn to the AVS community once again for some buying advice...

I have been using a PS3 (80gb fat version) for my bluray duties for a long time now, and it has been slowly having more and more issues from not recognizing a disc when inserted and as of today, no longer fully loading or ejecting discs. With the PS3 done, and the fact that I rarely play any games on it anymore, I am wanting to move into a dedicated bluray player and would like to hear everyone's input before I pull the trigger on a new one.

My current set up is an older Samsung 61" rear projection 1080P, Denon AVR-1611 (will be next on the upgrade list) and Paradigm surrounds. Primary use will be for movies, other wants are the ability to stream .mkv files from my home network, as well as the ability for netflix and the like. Budget wise, I am flexible on, as I would rather spend a little bit more up front and get something that is going to last for a long time and be the unit that I truly want, rather than buy a cheaper unit only to have to replace it in a year. I have no brand loyalty, so I am open to anything.

Original plans for my HT was to get the Oppo BDP-103, and I might still, but wanted to see what other players would be good contenders for my system.

Thanks in advance for any advice.
post #15075 of 16454
Any recommendations for a Blu Ray player that is comparable to the Samsung BD-C6900. I have this player currently and would like to upgrade to something that can do Amazon VOD in 5.1. I will be connecting it to a 55VT50 later this year, so PQ is kind of important. Thanks.
post #15076 of 16454
I have a 6 month need of a new BR Player with component out capability (after 6 months I will reconfigure my needs to use HDMI out).
But all the new good players seem to have only HDMI outs, not both. Or am I mistaken?
Does this mean I should buy an older model at a much lower spec/price for short term use? if so suggestions please.
Also I need the player to be enabled for remote control preferably by an Andriod App.
Thanks.
post #15077 of 16454
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Originally Posted by IRJ View Post

I have a 6 month need of a new BR Player with component out capability (after 6 months I will reconfigure my needs to use HDMI out).
But all the new good players seem to have only HDMI outs, not both. Or am I mistaken?
Does this mean I should buy an older model at a much lower spec/price for short term use? if so suggestions please.
Also I need the player to be enabled for remote control preferably by an Andriod App.
Thanks.

Recent licensing has killed off component video for Blu-ray players. You will need an older player. Search the forum for "analog sunset" and you'll find threads listing models.

Older players are less likely to have newer features.

-Bill
post #15078 of 16454
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Originally Posted by TheSchlaf View Post

Any recommendations for a Blu Ray player that is comparable to the Samsung BD-C6900. I have this player currently and would like to upgrade to something that can do Amazon VOD in 5.1. I will be connecting it to a 55VT50 later this year, so PQ is kind of important. Thanks.
The Sony models will do 5.1 on Amazon when available.

S~
post #15079 of 16454
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Recent licensing has killed off component video for Blu-ray players. You will need an older player. Search the forum for "analog sunset" and you'll find threads listing models.

Older players are less likely to have newer features.

-Bill

Sigh Thanks for the reply if though it wasn't the answer I really wanted! LOL.

Perhaps I can approach the issue another way.
I have bought a new house with a nice home theater using 6 year old Bose 5.1 surround sound and the Bose console has a built in DVD player. During the move in phase updating this equipment has a low priority but I really want to show BR DVDs on the 1080P projector in the theater.
The prior owner added a Bose HDMI switch between the console and the 1080P projector. So I guess I could probably run the BR HDMI OUT to the switch and get the correct Video for now. BUT of course I need to have sound!!!!
The only way I could get this on an interim basis is to get an HDMI to Compnent converter but these can run into a few hundreds of dollars and of course be thrown away in 6 months time....
But that is the issue I am trying to solve for now. Working on the rest of the house and the move has a priority b4 I sort out the final spec of the HT hardware....
I am spending 25% of my time in the new house as my current house is for sale so I am trying to get the temporary hardware for my next visit to the new house in 2 weeks.
Tough life!!
post #15080 of 16454
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Originally Posted by IRJ View Post

Sigh Thanks for the reply if though it wasn't the answer I really wanted! LOL.

Perhaps I can approach the issue another way.
I have bought a new house with a nice home theater using 6 year old Bose 5.1 surround sound and the Bose console has a built in DVD player. During the move in phase updating this equipment has a low priority but I really want to show BR DVDs on the 1080P projector in the theater.
The prior owner added a Bose HDMI switch between the console and the 1080P projector. So I guess I could probably run the BR HDMI OUT to the switch and get the correct Video for now. BUT of course I need to have sound!!!!
The only way I could get this on an interim basis is to get an HDMI to Compnent converter but these can run into a few hundreds of dollars and of course be thrown away in 6 months time....
But that is the issue I am trying to solve for now. Working on the rest of the house and the move has a priority b4 I sort out the final spec of the HT hardware....
I am spending 25% of my time in the new house as my current house is for sale so I am trying to get the temporary hardware for my next visit to the new house in 2 weeks.
Tough life!!

Ok...

You have an HDMI switch to the projector. I assume you need component out to go into the projector for video directly.

Does the HDMI switch already convert HDMI --> component? Otherwise, if the projector required component, how did that work?

If the component conversion is there, then the only thing that's left is to send sound to your receiver. I assume your receiver has HDMI inputs? If so, you need a player with two HDMI outputs, one would go to your HDMI switch, then to the projector for video, the other to the receiver's HDMI input for sound.

Some players with two HDMI outs:

Sony S790 - (about 250)
Oppo 103 - 500
Panasonic BDT500 - 290
post #15081 of 16454
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

Ok...

You have an HDMI switch to the projector. I assume you need component out to go into the projector for video directly.

Does the HDMI switch already convert HDMI --> component? Otherwise, if the projector required component, how did that work?

If the component conversion is there, then the only thing that's left is to send sound to your receiver. I assume your receiver has HDMI inputs? If so, you need a player with two HDMI outputs, one would go to your HDMI switch, then to the projector for video, the other to the receiver's HDMI input for sound.

Some players with two HDMI outs:

Sony S790 - (about 250)
Oppo 103 - 500
Panasonic BDT500 - 290

Thanks for the great input it's appreciated.
I am not in the new house so I am working from my notes right now as the photos I took with my phone didn't come out well (re shoing all the inputs/outputs etc).

The Projector accepts ONLY an HDMI input which comes from the from the added Bose HDMI switch.
The Bose equipment itself accepts ONLY Video inputs, RGB input, S-Video input and 3x Composite inputs.
The Bose consule then has a prorietary audio output for the Bose speakers and another output into the Bose switch which has HDMI outputs one of which is used for the Projector.
In effect the Bose switch converts composite video to HDMI.
Yeah it's amazing how technology has changed in 6 years and made this Bose equipment near redundant!!!
post #15082 of 16454
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Originally Posted by IRJ View Post

Thanks for the great input it's appreciated.
I am not in the new house so I am working from my notes right now as the photos I took with my phone didn't come out well (re shoing all the inputs/outputs etc).

The Projector accepts ONLY an HDMI input which comes from the from the added Bose HDMI switch.
The Bose equipment itself accepts ONLY Video inputs, RGB input, S-Video input and 3x Composite inputs.
The Bose consule then has a prorietary audio output for the Bose speakers and another output into the Bose switch which has HDMI outputs one of which is used for the Projector.
In effect the Bose switch converts composite video to HDMI.
Yeah it's amazing how technology has changed in 6 years and made this Bose equipment near redundant!!!

All right. So the video input can go directly to the projector from an HDMI bluray player. The issue is getting sound into the Bose system. You've listed video only inputs, usually if a system accepts video only (composite, S-Video and RGB) inputs, it has concurrent audio inputs. Maybe there are coaxial or optic digital inputs?

What is the model type and number of your Bose system?
post #15083 of 16454
IRJ,

My old sony 570 had component. Used ones are $40-$80 on ebay and amazon at the moment. Nice player.
post #15084 of 16454
I think it has an optical audio input.
post #15085 of 16454
thanks for the idea.
post #15086 of 16454
I am looking for a region-free BR and DVD player. I found the following models on amazon - can anyone recommend one over another, or a different make/model altogether?

Orei BDP-M2 $140

Toshiba Bdx1250rf $140

Sharp BD-AMS20 $260

Pioneer Elite BDP-62FD $340

Please note: This is for work purposes so the priorities are:
- dependable playback of any region BR/DVDs, including those in PAL format
- fair to good picture quality
- no 3D needed
- fair to good build quality (it will be used 1 or 2 days every six months)

(Very good to excellent picture quality would of course be a nice bonus, but not something I'd pay a lot extra for.)
post #15087 of 16454
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Originally Posted by IRJ View Post

I think it has an optical audio input.

If it has optical input, then the way to go would be to get any capable bluray player, use its HDMI output to the projector directly, taking care of the video. Then use the optical connection to the Bose optical input and you are set for sound. When playing a disk from the player, simply select the optical input as the source for sound.

That lowers your cost and gives you good features and bluray disk play.

You don't get the lossless sound from the blurays (TrueHD and DTS-HD MA) because the optical link can't handle them, but you do get the lossy 5.1 codecs, so the sound will be respectable. The fewer conversions you have to do, the better off you are, so putting the HDMI cable directly to the projector will be better than going through the Bose receiver.

Until you go to a receiver that can handle HDMI inputs or analog inputs, it's the best you can do for sound and video. I'd go with a Sony or Panasonic which have the outputs to support what you need.

Compare playing DVDs through the bluray player when connected, you may find that it outperforms the built in DVD player in the Bose system.
post #15088 of 16454
I'm looking to buy my first Blu-ray player. I own about 500 DVD's so it's very important for me that the player has good quality for dvd-movies.

NEED
- "Low" price
- BD-playback
- Good DVD-movie upscaling quality

DO NOT NEED
- 3D // I've never had much interest on 3D and I have some health issues with my eyes so it might not ever work for me...
- Any smart-TV stuff // I have those Panasonic Viera things on my TV, and I never use them. Also my TV is connected to a PC.
- output for audio // I use TV's RCA-audio output.
- internet connection
- WIFI
- DLNA

DO NOT REALLY NEED BUT WOULD BE A BONUS
- 3D // ...still it might be interesting to try
- Ease of use
- HDMI-cable
- Beer


Is there any point for me to pay extra for BDT230 or BDT320? Do all of these have exact same level of DVD-quality?
Panasonic DMP-BDT120 = 130€
Panasonic DMP-BDT230 = 169€
Panasonic DMP-BDT320 = 190€

Do you have other recommendations? What about some cheaper 2D-players from other manufacturers?
post #15089 of 16454
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Originally Posted by Graag View Post

I'm looking to buy my first Blu-ray player. I own about 500 DVD's so it's very important for me that the player has good quality for dvd-movies.

Is there any point for me to pay extra for BDT230 or BDT320? Do all of these have exact same level of DVD-quality?
Panasonic DMP-BDT120 = 130€
Panasonic DMP-BDT230 = 169€
Panasonic DMP-BDT320 = 190€
No need to go for the higher models in your case (no need for wifi or streaming). DVD quality will be the same.
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Do you have other recommendations? What about some cheaper 2D-players from other manufacturers?
Panny is probably your best choice for DVD. Sony is a bit soft IMO, and other brands I've seen are average at upscaling. Just remember to look in the Panny threads for the proper settings, as the default settings make DVDs look awful IMO. Buy local if possible, in case you are disappointed and need to return it.
post #15090 of 16454
There seems to be a sale for Sony Bdp-s490 at 90€. I might go for that one.
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