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Originally Posted by Vampidemic View Post

You should check out the Sony BDP-S 5100. It will give you great BD with 3D playback and then some. You will need to use the coaxial output for surround with your current receiver, but once you get your new receiver you'll be able to get lossless audio and play SACDs.

Thanks for the quick reply.. looks like a pretty nice little player and for under $100 on Amazon.... Does the 2D to 3D upon version really work pretty well from regular DVD's? And will it actually do the same type of up conversion on any streaming content or just DVD's that are played? ? I guess there isn't that much of a difference in the Sony Flagship model other then a few different audio/video output options as well as the 4K upscaling, which I assume you would need a 4K TV to benefit from....
post #15692 of 16455
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Originally Posted by roadking00 View Post

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Originally Posted by Vampidemic View Post

You should check out the Sony BDP-S 5100. It will give you great BD with 3D playback and then some. You will need to use the coaxial output for surround with your current receiver, but once you get your new receiver you'll be able to get lossless audio and play SACDs.

Thanks for the quick reply.. looks like a pretty nice little player and for under $100 on Amazon.... Does the 2D to 3D upon version really work pretty well from regular DVD's? And will it actually do the same type of up conversion on any streaming content or just DVD's that are played? ? I guess there isn't that much of a difference in the Sony Flagship model other then a few different audio/video output options as well as the 4K upscaling, which I assume you would need a 4K TV to benefit from....

Well, I actually don't use 3D myself. I don't like the effect, so I may not be the best to ask. I'm certain that others feel differently, but I wouldn't hold out much hope in 2D to 3D conversion of anything. I see this as somewhat analogous to surround sound. If something was mixed for 2.0 stereo, I think it often sounds best that way. Attempts to matrix it to 5 channels will often introduce new problems. I would say if its not authored for 3D, enjoy viewing the content in goggles free mode!

My understanding is that the BDP-S790 has some picture enhancements not available in the lower models, but I do think the main difference is the output options. And yes, you would need a 4k display to use the upscaling option (which the display should be able to do on its own regardless). Note: the 790 is a 2012 model player that was carried over, so there may be some things that the 5100 does that the 790 doesn't. I know there are some 790 owners and 5100 owners here that can provide more specifics than I can.
post #15693 of 16455
5100 does highest bitrate Netflix, but 790 doesn't. That's the only thing I know of.

3D conversion on all players is guaranteed to disappoint.
post #15694 of 16455
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Originally Posted by Vampidemic View Post

Well, I actually don't use 3D myself. I don't like the effect, so I may not be the best to ask. I'm certain that others feel differently, but I wouldn't hold out much hope in 2D to 3D conversion of anything. I see this as somewhat analogous to surround sound. If something was mixed for 2.0 stereo, I think it often sounds best that way. Attempts to matrix it to 5 channels will often introduce new problems. I would say if its not authored for 3D, enjoy viewing the content in goggles free mode!

My understanding is that the BDP-S790 has some picture enhancements not available in the lower models, but I do think the main difference is the output options. And yes, you would need a 4k display to use the upscaling option (which the display should be able to do on its own regardless). Note: the 790 is a 2012 model player that was carried over, so there may be some things that the 5100 does that the 790 doesn't. I know there are some 790 owners and 5100 owners here that can provide more specifics than I can.

Thanks again, I to have no idea about the 3D thing and not sure if I'll dig it either? I to have been wondering about the quality of SACD sound via a HDMI cable compaired to the typical multi channel out of a typical SACD player ??
post #15695 of 16455
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

5100 does highest bitrate Netflix, but 790 doesn't. That's the only thing I know of.

3D conversion on all players is guaranteed to disappoint.

Thanks for pointing that out, looks like I'll have to check into the bitrate capability of this new 65VT60 using the buit in apps ??
post #15696 of 16455
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Originally Posted by roadking00 View Post

Thanks for pointing that out, looks like I'll have to check into the bitrate capability of this new 65VT60 using the buit in apps ??
The streaming quality of TVs is typically far worse than stand-alone players. It's not going to be in the specs, so you'll have to find a report from another owner of that model.
post #15697 of 16455
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Originally Posted by roadking00 View Post

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Originally Posted by Vampidemic View Post

Well, I actually don't use 3D myself. I don't like the effect, so I may not be the best to ask. I'm certain that others feel differently, but I wouldn't hold out much hope in 2D to 3D conversion of anything. I see this as somewhat analogous to surround sound. If something was mixed for 2.0 stereo, I think it often sounds best that way. Attempts to matrix it to 5 channels will often introduce new problems. I would say if its not authored for 3D, enjoy viewing the content in goggles free mode!

My understanding is that the BDP-S790 has some picture enhancements not available in the lower models, but I do think the main difference is the output options. And yes, you would need a 4k display to use the upscaling option (which the display should be able to do on its own regardless). Note: the 790 is a 2012 model player that was carried over, so there may be some things that the 5100 does that the 790 doesn't. I know there are some 790 owners and 5100 owners here that can provide more specifics than I can.

Thanks again, I to have no idea about the 3D thing and not sure if I'll dig it either? I to have been wondering about the quality of SACD sound via a HDMI cable compaired to the typical multi channel out of a typical SACD player ??

Don't forget that the automated room correction provided by most modern AVRs (Audyssey, YPAO, MCACC, etc) cannot be applied to their multichannel analog inputs. Digital processing can only be applied to digital signals: HDMI, S/PDIF or the ADCs used for the AVR's stereo inputs. ADCs on the multichannel analog inputs would increase the AVR (and pre/pro) prices dramatically. An argument for going with Marantz or Denon instead of Yamaha is that YPAO does not yet handle frequencies below about 35Hz, but Audyssey does. Many people find that the improvement in the quality of the sound provided by room EQ is significantly more then the subtle difference provided by using multichannel analog inputs.
post #15698 of 16455
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Don't forget that the automated room correction provided by most modern AVRs (Audyssey, YPAO, MCACC, etc) cannot be applied to their multichannel analog inputs. Digital processing can only be applied to digital signals: HDMI, S/PDIF or the ADCs used for the AVR's stereo inputs. ADCs on the multichannel analog inputs would increase the AVR (and pre/pro) prices dramatically. An argument for going with Marantz or Denon instead of Yamaha is that YPAO does not yet handle frequencies below about 35Hz, but Audyssey does. Many people find that the improvement in the quality of the sound provided by room EQ is significantly more then the subtle difference provided by using multichannel analog inputs.

So let see if I understand this correctly, as far as AVR room correction goes know matter which one it may be it cannot and will not be in the mix from a SACD source if sent to the AVR via multichannel analog but can and will be in the mix from say a Sony BD player source via the HDMI signal from the SACD played? And I have an open mind while still researching a new AVR, currently I like the features I see in the Yamaha A1030 but will be looking into Denon and others as well, I like the multi zone with seperate Sources Audio & Video to each zone simultaneously and the HD Radio feature on the upper Yamaha line, have not yet looked into the comparable Denon/marantz AVR's yet....
post #15699 of 16455
Yes, very few AVRs can apply any digital processing to the multichannel analog inputs. No room correction, no bass management, no expansion of 5.1 sources to 7.1. Those functions occur in the digital domain and the AVR would have to re digitize the analog inputs to perform such processing.

While digital transmission of SACD sources allows for digital processing, there needs to be an SACD to PCM conversion before functions like room correction can be engaged.
post #15700 of 16455
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Originally Posted by roadking00 View Post

Thanks again, I to have no idea about the 3D thing and not sure if I'll dig it either? I to have been wondering about the quality of SACD sound via a HDMI cable compaired to the typical multi channel out of a typical SACD player ??

I've done both on my Oppo 83. The quality of the sound on a multi channel setup is predicated by how well you can set up the room correction manually.

Many folks in the Oppo 83 SE / 95 / 105 threads prefer to bypass AVRs or at least room correction. It does require work though, with you doing your own measurements,etc. I'm sure you know this from having your AVR, you've probably done a bit of tuning yourself.

I had some success with it, but switched to all HDMI processing for SACD and DVD-A as well as redbook CDs. If I had a 105 with its great ADCs I may change my mind, but am very happy with my HDMI setup. Listening to Chick Corea right now.
post #15701 of 16455
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

Yes, very few AVRs can apply any digital processing to the multichannel analog inputs. No room correction, no bass management, no expansion of 5.1 sources to 7.1. Those functions occur in the digital domain and the AVR would have to re digitize the analog inputs to perform such processing.

While digital transmission of SACD sources allows for digital processing, there needs to be an SACD to PCM conversion before functions like room correction can be engaged.

Thanks for that explanation, looks like I will look for a AVR that will have a few bells and whistles and has the capability with SACD to PCM as well as 5.1 to 7.1 expansion.
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

I've done both on my Oppo 83. The quality of the sound on a multi channel setup is predicated by how well you can set up the room correction manually.

Many folks in the Oppo 83 SE / 95 / 105 threads prefer to bypass AVRs or at least room correction. It does require work though, with you doing your own measurements,etc. I'm sure you know this from having your AVR, you've probably done a bit of tuning yourself.

I had some success with it, but switched to all HDMI processing for SACD and DVD-A as well as redbook CDs. If I had a 105 with its great ADCs I may change my mind, but am very happy with my HDMI setup. Listening to Chick Corea right now.

Well maybe I'll just hold onto my Sony Disc player for now and just upgrade to a newer BD player like the S5100 that will also play SACD with a HDMI output and just compare the difference between the 2 for now..at least till I decide on a new AVR with good room correction and then decide to retire the 400 disc changer from my revamped set up??
Thanks for all the input....
post #15702 of 16455

hi folks,

 

which would be a better choice, the panasonic bdt-500 or sony s790 or s5100 (are the 2012 models at par or better in both Picture and audio quality)

 

concerns would be great Video both 2D and 3D and (good or great would be better sounding) 2 ch audio (can also be a good cd player), not to concern with the other features. I'm going to connect this to the Denon avr1912 and I just acquired recently a passive 3D LG Smart LA6200 TV.

 

I want to replace my existing Panasonic bd97k as this cannot play 3D BDs and I just recently am collecting BDs with 3D. I want to maximize what I have and also do not want to purchase any dedicated CD player anymore to save space and money. Oppo 103D is kind the out of the budget.

 

thanks and cheers!

post #15703 of 16455
Hi Guys,

Does anybody have a recomendation for a small BD player that I can mount to the back of a 55" TV?

The TV is mounted over a fireplace with everything else in a rack in the basement. The wife's thinking I'm nuts expecting her to go downstairs to load her Zumba disc, so I'm looking for a bare-bones BD player (power in, HDMI out) with decent audio that I can mount to the backside of the TV out of sight.

I found a Samsung ES6000 on-line ( NeoBits???) that is ~7.5" on a side, but it has all the streaming media stuff that I don't need, is pricey (~$200), and looks like Samsung has discontinued that line.

Any thoughts?

Sorry if this post is misplaced or has already been covered. I've searched a bit and can't find a relevant thread.

dpw
post #15704 of 16455
Quick que:

If you had $600 to spend on a 3D blu-ray player which one would you get? I am looking for something to pair with my
Onkyo TX-NR809 receiver and Epson 5030 PJ

Requirement: The best picture $600 can buy.

Thing To Consider: Currently I am using a Panasonic BDT-210. Will there be a noticeable improvement in image moving up to a higher grade player in the $500+ category?

Don't care for: Streaming apps. I have a dedicated gaming PC hooked up to my HT for that.

Thanks!
post #15705 of 16455

Hello All,

 

This is my first post on the thread and would like your inputs.

 

Following is my setup:

TV : Samsung 46F8000
Satellite Box : TATASKY HD+.
Music System : Sony - RV888D. HiFi system bought around 7 years back, still in good working condition.

 

- TataSky HD box is connected to TV using HDMI cable
- Sony HiFi system is connected to TV using Component Video cable

 

Currently I'm planning to buy a BD Player and Pioneer BDP-450 looks promising. Following are my queries,

 

1. I would like to pass only Video to TV & then Audio to my Sony system. Is this possible?
2. If so, how and what kind of setup needs to be done
3. If not, what other player I can buy which will sute my current setup and also help when I upgrade

 

I'm slowly updating all my systems and think BDP-450 as right investment now. 

 

Your suggestions would help me.

 

Note : In the next one year, I' planning to invest on an AVR with copmplete 7.1 setup. Saving money for the same.

 

Reagrds,
Srinath.

post #15706 of 16455
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Originally Posted by Cyberathlete View Post

Quick que:

If you had $600 to spend on a 3D blu-ray player which one would you get? I am looking for something to pair with my
Onkyo TX-NR809 receiver and Epson 5030 PJ

Requirement: The best picture $600 can buy.

Thing To Consider: Currently I am using a Panasonic BDT-210. Will there be a noticeable improvement in image moving up to a higher grade player in the $500+ category?

Don't care for: Streaming apps. I have a dedicated gaming PC hooked up to my HT for that.

Thanks!

I have Sony S790 and very happy. Didn't see the point in paying double for Oppo
post #15707 of 16455
Hey guys, didn't really want to start a new thread for this so I'll post here.

Looking to get a family member a Blu-ray player for Christmas, wi-fi / streaming and 3D are irrelevant. It'll be hooked up to a 50" LCD via HDMI, nothing else.

There isn't much that's required, but there are a few features that it has to have.

1. Blu-ray / DVD playback, obviously. tongue.gif

2. .mp4 / .mp3 / .ts / .mkv / .avi playback through USB HDD and USB Stick in NTFS format.

3. Under $300 if possible. smile.gif

Is there a player that does this??

Is THIS player one that can?
post #15708 of 16455
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Originally Posted by Kenshiro 26 View Post

Hey guys, didn't really want to start a new thread for this so I'll post here.

Looking to get a family member a Blu-ray player for Christmas, wi-fi / streaming and 3D are irrelevant. It'll be hooked up to a 50" LCD via HDMI, nothing else.

There isn't much that's required, but there are a few features that it has to have.

1. Blu-ray / DVD playback, obviously. tongue.gif

2. .mp4 / .mp3 / .ts / .mkv / .avi playback through USB HDD and USB Stick in NTFS format.

3. Under $300 if possible. smile.gif

Is there a player that does this??

Is THIS player one that can?

My Sony S790 does all that. Played back 1:1 BD copy in .ts and mkv format from NTFS USB HD and smaller stuff from stick. Has dual core proc too. About $250
post #15709 of 16455
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

My Sony S790 does all that. Played back 1:1 BD copy in .ts and mkv format from NTFS USB HD and smaller stuff from stick. Has dual core proc too. About $250
How about .mkv or .mp4 files compressed with h.264?
post #15710 of 16455
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Originally Posted by srinathpreddy View Post

Hello All,

This is my first post on the thread and would like your inputs.

Following is my setup:
TV : Samsung 46F8000

Satellite Box : TATASKY HD+.

Music System : Sony - RV888D. HiFi system bought around 7 years back, still in good working condition.

- TataSky HD box is connected to TV using HDMI cable

- Sony HiFi system is connected to TV using Component Video cable

Currently I'm planning to buy a BD Player and Pioneer BDP-450 looks promising. Following are my queries,

1. I would like to pass only Video to TV & then Audio to my Sony system. Is this possible?

2. If so, how and what kind of setup needs to be done

3. If not, what other player I can buy which will sute my current setup and also help when I upgrade

I'm slowly updating all my systems and think BDP-450 as right investment now. 

Your suggestions would help me.

Note : In the next one year, I' planning to invest on an AVR with copmplete 7.1 setup. Saving money for the same.

Reagrds,

Srinath.

You might want to ask your question here - http://www.avsforum.com/t/1390589/the-pioneer-bdp-62fd-150-450-2012-blu-ray-player-thread
post #15711 of 16455
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Originally Posted by Cyberathlete View Post

Quick que:

If you had $600 to spend on a 3D blu-ray player which one would you get? I am looking for something to pair with my
Onkyo TX-NR809 receiver and Epson 5030 PJ

Requirement: The best picture $600 can buy.

Thing To Consider: Currently I am using a Panasonic BDT-210. Will there be a noticeable improvement in image moving up to a higher grade player in the $500+ category?

Don't care for: Streaming apps. I have a dedicated gaming PC hooked up to my HT for that.

Thanks!

If I had $600 to spend, I'd spend it on an Oppo 103D (with Darbee technology embedded). Especially with a projector involved, this and the Oppo's processing is the machine to get at that price point.

You mention apps not being important, but how about DLNA streaming within your network? The Oppo can also be used for input signals as a video processor. Is watching DVDs scaled correctly at PJ levels important, etc...

To me, the Oppos are the best at processing, if you're willing to spend the money.
post #15712 of 16455
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

If I had $600 to spend, I'd spend it on an Oppo 103D (with Darbee technology embedded). Especially with a projector involved, this and the Oppo's processing is the machine to get at that price point.

You mention apps not being important, but how about DLNA streaming within your network? The Oppo can also be used for input signals as a video processor. Is watching DVDs scaled correctly at PJ levels important, etc...

To me, the Oppos are the best at processing, if you're willing to spend the money.

Thanks! I am not too concerned with DLNA streaming as I mentioned i have a dedicated gaming PC with a 128GB SSD + 3TB internal HDD for content. I've been reading up on the Oppo a lot especially with Darbee technology. However have you witnessed the Darbee tech in person? Also have you seen the diff in video between the Oppo and a lower priced player such as the Sony S790?

As for the Sony S790, that model came out Jan 2012 (almost 2 years old). Have they released a replacement model in the interim? Thanks!
post #15713 of 16455
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Originally Posted by Kenshiro 26 View Post

How about .mkv or .mp4 files compressed with h.264?

I've done compressed MKV, but never .mp4. If you check the specs, it probably lists files it plays back (if not download user guide, I'm sure it's in there)
post #15714 of 16455
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Originally Posted by Cyberathlete View Post

Thanks! I am not too concerned with DLNA streaming as I mentioned i have a dedicated gaming PC with a 128GB SSD + 3TB internal HDD for content. I've been reading up on the Oppo a lot especially with Darbee technology. However have you witnessed the Darbee tech in person? Also have you seen the diff in video between the Oppo and a lower priced player such as the Sony S790?

As for the Sony S790, that model came out Jan 2012 (almost 2 years old). Have they released a replacement model in the interim? Thanks!

I have not seen the Darbee technology at work. There are many people who like it, some who can do without it and some who don't like it. The latter are people who find its action distracting and prefer the movie to be unenhanced in any way.

Most people (including reviewers) seem to like it. For an extra $100 vs. $300 for a standalone, it appears a bargain. Some of the folks who have liked it on the 103D thread seem to like it for projectors. To me it's an extra bonus, on top of a great machine.

As to whether the Oppo is better for image quality, I believe it is, as tested by independent reviewers. The question is whether the difference would be notable.

For blurays with smaller screens, I think it's a wash. The quality of the bluray images for good players versus the Oppo is close enough that you are getting very good quality from a Sony. On a larger screen, the Oppos do a better job; you might want to check the 103 / 103D /105 threads to see what projector owners think. They usually have had the other players or still have them as backups.

For DVDs, especially on a larger screen, the Oppos are very good.
post #15715 of 16455
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

As to whether the Oppo is better for image quality, I believe it is, as tested by independent reviewers. The question is whether the difference would be notable.

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I reasearched this a lot recently (6 weeks ago), as I bought a new DVD. Reviews I read were pretty unanimous: if you're watching a BD, the PQ on Oppo is no better than other decent players (Panny, Sony, Pioneer, etc.). Upscaling DVD may be different, but I'm not concerned with that
post #15716 of 16455
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Originally Posted by Cyberathlete View Post

As for the Sony S790, that model came out Jan 2012 (almost 2 years old). Have they released a replacement model in the interim? Thanks!
The 790 was not replaced in 2013, although the lower models were. A replacement is expected next year.
post #15717 of 16455
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

As to whether the Oppo is better for image quality, I believe it is, as tested by independent reviewers. The question is whether the difference would be notable.

For blurays with smaller screens, I think it's a wash. The quality of the bluray images for good players versus the Oppo is close enough that you are getting very good quality from a Sony. On a larger screen, the Oppos do a better job; you might want to check the 103 / 103D /105 threads to see what projector owners think. They usually have had the other players or still have them as backups.

For DVDs, especially on a larger screen, the Oppos are very good.

We agree on this.
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

I reasearched this a lot recently (6 weeks ago), as I bought a new DVD. Reviews I read were pretty unanimous: if you're watching a BD, the PQ on Oppo is no better than other decent players (Panny, Sony, Pioneer, etc.). Upscaling DVD may be different, but I'm not concerned with that

The evaluations done show that compared to other brands, the Oppos pass tests that others fail or don't do as well as. The only issue is that the improvement is not something that is obvious. The Oppos reproduce the signal as read from the disk, where others may vary slightly.

The difference in blurays is slight but it is there. That difference becomes magnified as the screen gets larger or a viewer is more demanding. On the whole, any bluray player will give you an excellent image; the original question from the OP was whether this is the best player for $600, not whether you could get most of the bluray PQ of an Oppo at half the cost.
post #15718 of 16455
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

We agree on this.
The evaluations done show that compared to other brands, the Oppos pass tests that others fail or don't do as well as. The only issue is that the improvement is not something that is obvious. The Oppos reproduce the signal as read from the disk, where others may vary slightly.

The difference in blurays is slight but it is there. That difference becomes magnified as the screen gets larger or a viewer is more demanding. On the whole, any bluray player will give you an excellent image; the original question from the OP was whether this is the best player for $600, not whether you could get most of the bluray PQ of an Oppo at half the cost.

Thanks man!
Appreciate the detailed response. Screen size is 92" Carada Brilliant White (Gain 1.4). Projector is Epson 5030UB.

So I take it that the 92" screen will/can benefit from the Oppo.

DVD useage will prob be 5% of total viewing time...so that's not much.
post #15719 of 16455
OK so my Oppo BDP-83 wont play 3D and after 2 years of having a Vizio 3D TV and 2 pairs of active glasses, I bought Top Gun 3d, and found out the bad news.

I cannot afford $500 or even $100 for a 3d player, but in the sub $100 3d Blou Ray units, any good ones stand out? What will I lose against an Oppo, just upscaling quality on standard DVD, or something like that?

I do not need too many "features" like streaming (only do that through the HTPC), or whatever else. Just need clean loking movie play... (and 3d!), for the cheapest price...

Thanks for any input!
post #15720 of 16455
If you want to take advantage of lossless audio (Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio), you will need a BD player with two HDMI outputs like the Oppo 103, Panasonic 500, or Sony 790. Otherwise, you can use the optical/coax for the lossy audio tracks.

S~
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