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post #421 of 15133
2/11/08 at 2:35pm
Pssst......Start here.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=969206
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=980672
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ghlight=analog
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post #422 of 15133
2/11/08 at 2:58pm
thanks for the links.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=969206

the BD30 i thought lacks internal decoding which is why i left it off my list. maybe thats not so important? as long as i hear some sound and not silence on the unsupported format disks.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=980672

wow, i hadnt found that chart, very useful.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ghlight=analog

this is the thread i made my list mostly from. the two units mentioned there are on the more expensive side as i recall.

james
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post #423 of 15133
2/12/08 at 7:20am
Ok....I can't read any more posts or blogs about these things.

I want a player that:

1. Upscales DVDs to 1080p without ISSUES and does it well.
2. Either decodes or can output ALL THE new audio...including DTS-HD MA.
3. NO LFE BUGS....I need all the LFE I can get.
4. No freezing, no bugs, just a player that WORKS like a $500 player should.


Samsung and Panny seem to have at least 2 of these issues...the PS3 can't do the DTS-HD MA decoding or output...
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post #424 of 15133
2/12/08 at 7:31am
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Originally Posted by bgillyjcu View Post

Ok....I can't read any more posts or blogs about these things.

I want a player that:

1. Upscales DVDs to 1080p without ISSUES and does it well.
2. Either decodes or can output ALL THE new audio...including DTS-HD MA.
3. NO LFE BUGS....I need all the LFE I can get.
4. No freezing, no bugs, just a player that WORKS like a $500 player should.


Samsung and Panny seem to have at least 2 of these issues...the PS3 can't do the DTS-HD MA decoding or output...

It appears you've answered your own questions.
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post #425 of 15133
2/12/08 at 6:12pm
Is there a DMP-BD50 thread anywhere? When are they going to hit the market?
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post #426 of 15133
2/13/08 at 2:51am
I did all that and the answer is IMO ....PS3 is best you are going to get right now.
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post #427 of 15133
2/13/08 at 6:33am
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Originally Posted by basenjib123 View Post

I did all that and the answer is IMO ....PS3 is best you are going to get right now.

The PS3 tends to the more popular vote.
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post #428 of 15133
2/13/08 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by bgillyjcu View Post

Ok....I can't read any more posts or blogs about these things.

I want a player that:

1. Upscales DVDs to 1080p without ISSUES and does it well.
2. Either decodes or can output ALL THE new audio...including DTS-HD MA.
3. NO LFE BUGS....I need all the LFE I can get.
4. No freezing, no bugs, just a player that WORKS like a $500 player should.


Samsung and Panny seem to have at least 2 of these issues...the PS3 can't do the DTS-HD MA decoding or output...

bgillyjcu,

I wanted all of these items, except number one. I have an XA2, so I'm covered there. Now..2,3,4, especially 4, are big issues for me. However, I did pick up a PS3 last week. I've not had a single issue, period. I'm just going to have to live with 1.5 mbps DTS for a while (which is no slouch, I have MA HD DVD disks to compare). Hopefully, Sony will put that cell processor to work with DTS HD MA.

Before I made the decision, I was driving myself nuts. Setiing up pro and con sheets, etc. My only hope seemed to be the new Panny 50 and who knows when its coming out, what its going to cost and will it also have the LFE bug that the 10 and 30 have.

I've got to tell you...The PS3 rocks. Dollar for dollar, you cannot go wrong. it delviers the goods. Sure, I would like to have MA but I considered this the lesser of all evils. The PS3 is Sony and the BDAs trojan horse. They're not going to leave us hanging out in the breeze, thats for sure.

Buy it..I know you'll love it...Will
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post #429 of 15133
2/13/08 at 8:14am
Another thing the PS3 does is save you $299 if you want to get the Sony DMEx device that lets you stream Internet video directly to the Sony TV's that support that feature. The PS3 does that and more, allowing you to completely surf the web on your big screen TV using wireless or Ethernet. The PS3 definitely has my vote.
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post #430 of 15133
2/13/08 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by legierk View Post

Is there a DMP-BD50 thread anywhere? When are they going to hit the market?

Nobody?
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post #431 of 15133
2/13/08 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by legierk View Post

Nobody?

It's a big thread, usually on the first page of the forum - right here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post13099993
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post #432 of 15133
2/13/08 at 4:29pm
Thanks.
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post #433 of 15133
2/14/08 at 5:57am
I am getting a blu ray player.
What is a good one for me. I currently have an onkyo receiver from the s790 htib system. But will be getting an onkyo 705 eventually.

I was thinking of just getting a ps3 for a blu ray player. But want to be able to decode the high def audio on the 705.

Will that work, or will I want something else.

here is my current setup.
Onkyo S790 receiver
onkyo s790 system front speakers being used in the rear
jbl stadium fronts
jbl12 sub
infinity beta c360 center channel
HD A2 dvd player

I will be hooking up the blu ray player to the tv with hdmi, and to the receiver via either HDMI or probably optical.

Thanks.
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post #434 of 15133
2/14/08 at 6:36am
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Originally Posted by captclueless View Post

I am getting a blu ray player.
What is a good one for me. I currently have an onkyo receiver from the s790 htib system. But will be getting an onkyo 705 eventually.

I was thinking of just getting a ps3 for a blu ray player. But want to be able to decode the high def audio on the 705.

Will that work, or will I want something else.

here is my current setup.
Onkyo S790 receiver
onkyo s790 system front speakers being used in the rear
jbl stadium fronts
jbl12 sub
infinity beta c360 center channel
HD A2 dvd player

I will be hooking up the blu ray player to the tv with hdmi, and to the receiver via either HDMI or probably optical.

Thanks.

The PS3 does decode hi-rez audio. The only thing it currently lacks is the ability to decode DTS-HD MA which is supposedly being worked on. With that in mind, get the PS3.
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post #435 of 15133
2/14/08 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by captclueless View Post

I am getting a blu ray player.
What is a good one for me. I currently have an onkyo receiver from the s790 htib system. But will be getting an onkyo 705 eventually.

I was thinking of just getting a ps3 for a blu ray player. But want to be able to decode the high def audio on the 705.

Will that work, or will I want something else.

here is my current setup.
Onkyo S790 receiver
onkyo s790 system front speakers being used in the rear
jbl stadium fronts
jbl12 sub
infinity beta c360 center channel
HD A2 dvd player

I will be hooking up the blu ray player to the tv with hdmi, and to the receiver via either HDMI or probably optical.

Thanks.

PS3 is a good choice upgradeable to BD-Live and has most of the audio covered ('cept DTS-HD-MA as mentioned above). If your a real audiophile, the Panny BD30 is the other popular choice. You can wait for the BD50 if BD-Live/Profile 2.0 is important to you.

-Splints
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post #436 of 15133
2/15/08 at 10:23am
__?_?_?__ >> Onkyo SR-705 >> Panasonic AE2000 >> 142" Carada BW

100% HDMI 1.3 interconnects
decoding of all formats is available in the 705
24fps is a must have

In this scenario, what would you guys choose as a BD player? Thanks.
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post #437 of 15133
2/15/08 at 4:01pm
I too want to get a BD player. My predicament is that I have an older TV with only component inputs (Pioneer Pro 610HD). In this case, would you go for the PS3 or just a BD player? If PS3, please elaborate, cause I really want the PS3, but need a BD player that can upscale DVDs. Also, picture quality is more important than sound as the acoustics in my media room are far from ideal.
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post #438 of 15133
2/15/08 at 5:25pm
Any deals going on for PS3 ? I think I am too late for the 5 free movie offer?
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post #439 of 15133
2/15/08 at 11:38pm
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Originally Posted by Alex solomon View Post

Any deals going on for PS3 ? I think I am too late for the 5 free movie offer?

Alex,

You are a little over two weeks too late on the 5 disk rebate. IMO, you're not going to be seeing another one soon until the BDA turns its sites on SD DVD, if that ever happens.

It has been said many times that Sony is loosing money on every PS3 they sell. The best valid deal I have ever seen was a Black Friday deal on a 40 at Kmart for $359 USD. They were lines up the night previous to save that $40!

More often than not, the deals you see will be like the one I took advantage of a couple of weeks ago. I bought the 40gb Spider-Man PS3 and got the Bluetooth remote for free. So, that's what you'll see...A disk or two thrown in, an additional sixxaxis controller or a remote for free with purchase.

I have been hearing rampant rumours that the 40 is dropping to $299.00. Personally, I think that is a bunch of BS. Not gonna happen. If Sony is not alientating their CE partners now by selling a product to people like us that will generally not use it for games, they're certainly not going to drop the price another C-note and make things worse.

Sony may get bit in the butt by this. A bunch of movie freaks buying their least expensive player. The deficiencies between the 80 and 40 are either moot or can be remedied cheaply.

The most expensive...Buy a 160 gb drive to make it an 80
We don't care about PS2 backwards compatibility
2 additional USB ports can be solved by a $10 USB hub the size of a pack of gum
Card readers can be added via USB for under $20

The 40 GB PS3 is sooo the way to go.

Fantastic Bu-Ray PQ and AQ (except no DTS HD MA, yet, I hope)
Ability to go profile 2.0
OK SD upconversion
It rules as a meda streamer
You can surf the web
You can check your email (via webmail, if your ISP has it)
You can upconvert your CDs to 176.4 khz from 44
Built in Wi-Fi, if you so desire
Gigabit wired networking
If you use TVersity, you can get Internet radio, photo albums and digital home videos
Very few reports of reliability issues

I'm sure I missed a few. Just think...You can get this for $400! There are a few things I don't like (No IR, no DTS HD MA, kind of ugly) but I'm getting over it. I can't figure out why someone would go any other way, especially if you are on a budget.

Sure, you can just wait for the Panny 50. How much will it cost? When will it be out? Will it have the same LFE bug? Will it have other bugs? And, all you will have is a player. When you can have so much more, for less, this should be a no-brainer.
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post #440 of 15133
2/16/08 at 6:32am
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Originally Posted by Will Munshower View Post

Alex,

You are a little over two weeks too late on the 5 disk rebate. IMO, you're not going to be seeing another one soon until the BDA turns its sites on SD DVD, if that ever happens.

It has been said many times that Sony is loosing money on every PS3 they sell. The best valid deal I have ever seen was a Black Friday deal on a 40 at Kmart for $359 USD. They were lines up the night previous to save that $40!

More often than not, the deals you see will be like the one I took advantage of a couple of weeks ago. I bought the 40gb Spider-Man PS3 and got the Bluetooth remote for free. So, that's what you'll see...A disk or two thrown in, an additional sixxaxis controller or a remote for free with purchase.

I have been hearing rampant rumours that the 40 is dropping to $299.00. Personally, I think that is a bunch of BS. Not gonna happen. If Sony is not alientating their CE partners now by selling a product to people like us that will generally not use it for games, they're certainly not going to drop the price another C-note and make things worse.

Sony may get bit in the butt by this. A bunch of movie freaks buying their least expensive player. The deficiencies between the 80 and 40 are either moot or can be remedied cheaply.

The most expensive...Buy a 160 gb drive to make it an 80
We don't care about PS2 backwards compatibility
2 additional USB ports can be solved by a $10 USB hub the size of a pack of gum
Card readers can be added via USB for under $20

The 40 GB PS3 is sooo the way to go.

Fantastic Bu-Ray PQ and AQ (except no DTS HD MA, yet, I hope)
Ability to go profile 2.0
OK SD upconversion
It rules as a meda streamer
You can surf the web
You can check your email (via webmail, if your ISP has it)
You can upconvert your CDs to 176.4 khz from 44
Built in Wi-Fi, if you so desire
Gigabit wired networking
If you use TVersity, you can get Internet radio, photo albums and digital home videos
Very few reports of reliability issues

I'm sure I missed a few. Just think...You can get this for $400! There are a few things I don't like (No IR, no DTS HD MA, kind of ugly) but I'm getting over it. I can't figure out why someone would go any other way, especially if you are on a budget.

Sure, you can just wait for the Panny 50. How much will it cost? When will it be out? Will it have the same LFE bug? Will it have other bugs? And, all you will have is a player. When you can have so much more, for less, this should be a no-brainer.

Thanks for the detailed reply. I have the XA2 so I really don't care much for upconversion. I wanted to get the Panny BD30, but the LFE issue scared me away. I basically want a bug free player for now. It's hard to get titles to rent from Netflix anyway so I am in no rush whatsoever to buy a BD player. But I would jump on the BD wagon if I see a deal around.
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post #441 of 15133
2/16/08 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by drjensen1 View Post

I too want to get a BD player. My predicament is that I have an older TV with only component inputs (Pioneer Pro 610HD). In this case, would you go for the PS3 or just a BD player? If PS3, please elaborate, cause I really want the PS3, but need a BD player that can upscale DVDs. Also, picture quality is more important than sound as the acoustics in my media room are far from ideal.

You can get the PS3 and buy the sep component cables to use with your older TV, so using the PS# with you TV is not the problem. The problem is, if you want to upscale commercial DVD's, the PS3 will only do that over the HDMI connection. From Sony's website:

"When playing copyright-protected DVD content such as the content on commercially available DVD-Video, an HDMI cable is required to upscale the video content."

To add insult to injury, PS3 can only output BR at 1080p over HDMI. That doesn't sound like a problem for you and your TV but I wanted you to know. Still, the PS3 is the best choice on the market right now.
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post #442 of 15133
2/16/08 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by Will Munshower View Post


Sony may get bit in the butt by this. A bunch of movie freaks buying their least expensive player. The deficiencies between the 80 and 40 are either moot or can be remedied cheaply.

The most expensive...Buy a 160 gb drive to make it an 80
We don't care about PS2 backwards compatibility
2 additional USB ports can be solved by a $10 USB hub the size of a pack of gum
Card readers can be added via USB for under $20

The 40 GB PS3 is sooo the way to go.

Fantastic Bu-Ray PQ and AQ (except no DTS HD MA, yet, I hope)
Ability to go profile 2.0
OK SD upconversion
It rules as a meda streamer
You can surf the web
You can check your email (via webmail, if your ISP has it)
You can upconvert your CDs to 176.4 khz from 44
Built in Wi-Fi, if you so desire
Gigabit wired networking
If you use TVersity, you can get Internet radio, photo albums and digital home videos
Very few reports of reliability issues

What a great rundown! I do have a few questions:
If this is almost 100% for movies, do you need more than a 40GB(since that is all you can get right now)?
Is 2 USB not enough? The remotes are wireless, what do you plug in?
How do you surf the web without a keyboard and mouse?
"OK SD upconversion"? I know this is a subjective thing, but I read more than once how great it upconverts, why do you say "OK"?

My Vizio VM60P is 1080I/720P, can the PS3 be set for these or does it just play what the disc wants?

Thanks,

MIKE
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post #443 of 15133
2/16/08 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by Will Munshower View Post

Alex,

You are a little over two weeks too late on the 5 disk rebate. IMO, you're not going to be seeing another one soon until the BDA turns its sites on SD DVD, if that ever happens.

It has been said many times that Sony is loosing money on every PS3 they sell. The best valid deal I have ever seen was a Black Friday deal on a 40 at Kmart for $359 USD. They were lines up the night previous to save that $40!

More often than not, the deals you see will be like the one I took advantage of a couple of weeks ago. I bought the 40gb Spider-Man PS3 and got the Bluetooth remote for free. So, that's what you'll see...A disk or two thrown in, an additional sixxaxis controller or a remote for free with purchase.

I have been hearing rampant rumours that the 40 is dropping to $299.00. Personally, I think that is a bunch of BS. Not gonna happen. If Sony is not alientating their CE partners now by selling a product to people like us that will generally not use it for games, they're certainly not going to drop the price another C-note and make things worse.

Sony may get bit in the butt by this. A bunch of movie freaks buying their least expensive player. The deficiencies between the 80 and 40 are either moot or can be remedied cheaply.

The most expensive...Buy a 160 gb drive to make it an 80
We don't care about PS2 backwards compatibility
2 additional USB ports can be solved by a $10 USB hub the size of a pack of gum
Card readers can be added via USB for under $20

The 40 GB PS3 is sooo the way to go.

Fantastic Bu-Ray PQ and AQ (except no DTS HD MA, yet, I hope)
Ability to go profile 2.0
OK SD upconversion
It rules as a meda streamer
You can surf the web
You can check your email (via webmail, if your ISP has it)
You can upconvert your CDs to 176.4 khz from 44
Built in Wi-Fi, if you so desire
Gigabit wired networking
If you use TVersity, you can get Internet radio, photo albums and digital home videos
Very few reports of reliability issues

I'm sure I missed a few. Just think...You can get this for $400! There are a few things I don't like (No IR, no DTS HD MA, kind of ugly) but I'm getting over it. I can't figure out why someone would go any other way, especially if you are on a budget.

Sure, you can just wait for the Panny 50. How much will it cost? When will it be out? Will it have the same LFE bug? Will it have other bugs? And, all you will have is a player. When you can have so much more, for less, this should be a no-brainer.

Besides WiFi ( i already have a wireless bridge) what disadvantages are there from the 20gb to 40gb? (besides space of course)
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post #444 of 15133
2/16/08 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by Mikeb33 View Post

What a great rundown! I do have a few questions:
If this is almost 100% for movies, do you need more than a 40GB(since that is all you can get right now)?
Is 2 USB not enough? The remotes are wireless, what do you plug in?
How do you surf the web without a keyboard and mouse?
"OK SD upconversion"? I know this is a subjective thing, but I read more than once how great it upconverts, why do you say "OK"?

My Vizio VM60P is 1080I/720P, can the PS3 be set for these or does it just play what the disc wants?

Thanks,

MIKE

The hard drive is used for the storage of games, game data, and the OS. There used to be a 20Gb version, which would still be just fine for movie watching. 40Gb should be great for movies and games even, even if downloading some free demos. I have an 80Gb, and am down to 43 GB free, with quite a few demos downloaded.

The up-conversion on mine is not decent or OK .. it is fantastic ... every bit as good as the Toshiba I had before it, and the Sony just up-converting we tried before that. In fact, you almost can't tell the difference between the Blu disk and Standard DVD. That is using HDMI to the Sony KDL46W3000, a set with 1.3 HDMI ports.

As for number of HDMI ports ... the PS3 comes with a single USB cable which is used to charge the game remote, and if you get it extra, the Sony DVD remote for the PS3. Both use Blue-tooth RF, not IR, and the game remote itself lasts a few days on a charge, the DVD remote longer. I have an IR to Blue-tooth dongle plugged into one USB port all the time, allowing me to use my universal 880 Harmony remote to control the PS3 while watching movies. It gives me full functionality, minus the ability to power up or down.

Why else you might need more ... perhaps if some device that uses USB comes out in the future that is compatible with the PS3. I do use one other item with it now ... a USB 320 GB external hard drive. I use it for backing up the PS3. It can also be used for storage of music, pictures, movies, and whatever media the PS3 also supports. Yes, I can view pictures and movies I made using the PS3 and that drive, or a USB flash drive. I have only used 2 of the ports at a time, but if I wanted to leave the drives plugged in all the time, would need more.

You can surf the web with a wireless blue-tooth keyboard, or using the game or Sony remote. Take your pick.
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post #445 of 15133
2/16/08 at 2:36pm
Does the PS3 handle 720P for Blu-Ray well?
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post #446 of 15133
2/16/08 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by cws_kahuna View Post

Does the PS3 handle 720P for Blu-Ray well?


Sorry, my TV does 1080p/24, so I could not answer how it does on a 720p set. It does have an Automatic setting though, where I would imagine it uses whatever resolution is passed to it by the TV as well as what you select in the Video Settings. Also, the TV should down-convert anything that is more than it can handle. In the PS3 Software manual available on line at PS3 User Manual it states:

"BD 1080p 24 Hz Output (HDMI)
Set whether to use 1080p 24 Hz video output mode for output of BD video. Set this option when the system is connected to a TV using an HDMI cable. Adjust the settings as necessary for the TV in use.


Automatic Set to automatically switch the video output mode to match the TV that is connected.

Off Set to output at the maximum resolution that has been selected in the video output settings of the PS3™ system. (The video output will not be displayed at 1080p 24 Hz.)

On Set to output BD video that was recorded at 1080p 24 Hz directly at a resolution of 1080p 24 Hz. "

You can get more info from the manual at that link.

As for the video settings, you select the type of cable you are using, and the resolutions supported by that cable and your TV. So you can select 480i, 480p, and 720p if that is all your TV supports, whether selecting Component or HDMI. When the BD Display is set to Automatic, it will only output the max you have selected in Video Settings.
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post #447 of 15133
2/16/08 at 4:41pm
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Originally Posted by NeilK View Post

the PS3 comes with a single USB cable which is used to charge the game remote, and if you get it extra, the Sony DVD remote for the PS3. Both use Blue-tooth RF, not IR, and the game remote itself lasts a few days on a charge, the DVD remote longer.

Does this mean the optional Sony DVD remote has to be charged this way -- it doesn't use standard alkaline batteries?
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post #448 of 15133
2/16/08 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by dalemccl View Post

Does this mean the optional Sony DVD remote has to be charged this way -- it doesn't use standard alkaline batteries?

Oops, my mistake. Sorry. I was thinking it was rechargeable. It's NOT, it does use standard batteries. I just looked at my wife's ... which I never use ... or look at obviously . One would think that as it's made for the PS3, it would also be USB rechargeable as the game controller is. She wanted the Sony PS3 remote, and I the Nyko one to use the USB IR to Blue-tooth dongle for my Harmony to work.
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post #449 of 15133
2/16/08 at 7:50pm
Well I had a Dell $100 gift card so I ordered a PS3 40G from them tonight.

"I have an IR to Blue-tooth dongle plugged into one USB port all the time, allowing me to use my universal 880 Harmony remote to control the PS3 while watching movies. It gives me full functionality, minus the ability to power up or down."

Can you point me to this device, I have the 880 as well.

Thanks,

MIKE
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post #450 of 15133
2/16/08 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by Mikeb33 View Post

Well I had a Dell $100 gift card so I ordered a PS3 40G from them tonight.

"I have an IR to Blue-tooth dongle plugged into one USB port all the time, allowing me to use my universal 880 Harmony remote to control the PS3 while watching movies. It gives me full functionality, minus the ability to power up or down."

Can you point me to this device, I have the 880 as well.

Thanks,

MIKE

If they let me and if the long URL works ... The Nyko Blue Wave Remote . It's like $20 list, $13 at Amazon. If the link doesn't work, just search for "Nyko Blue Wave" and you'll find it. Once you get it, just program the Harmony adding a new Game Console (with DVD), Select the manufacturer "Nyko" from the drop-down list, and type in the sample it shows you "Blu-Wave" and you are ready to go ... that easy. Of course, you can program some screen buttons to make life easy. You can start out with what they are on the game remote, such as X, Square, Circle, Triangle, Red, Green, Yellow and Blue ... and then change the labels to what they actually do. Like Back instead of Circle, View instead of Square, Options instead of Triangle ... or leave them as such if you find the symbols easier as they match the game remote. And you can always name the activity and device as "Play PS3" or DVD, or whatever you prefer.

Enjoy!!

Afraid the link didn't work ... but you have the search term to use. I dressed it up and it appears to now. But again ... the search will find it at multiple sites.
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