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post #4561 of 15133
Recently gave my old sony blu ray player to my father in law,i was using ps3 anyway,so i need a new standalone blu ray player.
Made my mind up on the panasonic bd 35,then found out there scarse and about to be replaced next month.
im trying to decide if i should wait on the newer model,just get the sony 350,or get the pioneer 51 fd?
#1i dont care about getting it online,my basement theater doesnt have ethernet ran and my ps3 barely picks up the wifi signal from upstairs anyway.i usually just download to disk then just stick it in the ps3 for firmware updates.
#2 i want to bitstream everything to my yamaha rx-v1800 via hdmi,so i dont care about internal decoders.
#3 load times arent that big of a deal to me,ill control this with macros on universal remote,so when i power it on i can just stay on the sofa for another min.no big deal
biggest thing i want is audio quality(clean to avr,hdmi)and picture quality
i cant see that much that the new models in a month are so can offer with this criteria(unless im missing something)
can someone offer some insight on these choices?
i guess i just would like someone thats has any of these to tell me if theres anything they dont like about them or if there close enough that any of them will impress me the same.the pioneer and the sony i can pick up locally.
btw the older sony i got rid of didnt bitstream audio,thats the reason i got rid of it,i doubt any of these were slower than it so again i dont see load times as a big deal
post #4562 of 15133
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Originally Posted by jdeanmc View Post

Recently gave my old sony blu ray player to my father in law,i was using ps3 anyway,so i need a new standalone blu ray player.
Made my mind up on the panasonic bd 35,then found out there scarse and about to be replaced next month.
im trying to decide if i should wait on the newer model,just get the sony 350,or get the pioneer 51 fd?
#1i dont care about getting it online,my basement theater doesnt have ethernet ran and my ps3 barely picks up the wifi signal from upstairs anyway.i usually just download to disk then just stick it in the ps3 for firmware updates.
#2 i want to bitstream everything to my yamaha rx-v1800 via hdmi,so i dont care about internal decoders.
#3 load times arent that big of a deal to me,ill control this with macros on universal remote,so when i power it on i can just stay on the sofa for another min.no big deal
biggest thing i want is audio quality(clean to avr,hdmi)and picture quality
i cant see that much that the new models in a month are so can offer with this criteria(unless im missing something)
can someone offer some insight on these choices?
i guess i just would like someone thats has any of these to tell me if theres anything they dont like about them or if there close enough that any of them will impress me the same.the pioneer and the sony i can pick up locally.
btw the older sony i got rid of didnt bitstream audio,thats the reason i got rid of it,i doubt any of these were slower than it so again i dont see load times as a big deal

you are the perfect candidate for a 51fd
post #4563 of 15133
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

you are the perfect candidate for a 51fd

i like the sound of that as im really leaning towards the 51fd.could you explain why?
Thanks Dean
post #4564 of 15133
#1i dont care about getting it online,my basement theater doesnt have ethernet ran and my ps3 barely picks up the wifi signal from upstairs anyway.i usually just download to disk then just stick it in the ps3 for firmware updates.

You don't need a profile 2.0 player clearly.

#2 i want to bitstream everything to my yamaha rx-v1800 via hdmi,so i dont care about internal decoders.

One fault of the 51 is it does not decode DTS HD Master Audio, which is not a problem for you since you're bitstreaming.

#3 load times arent that big of a deal to me,ill control this with macros on universal remote,so when i power it on i can just stay on the sofa for another min.

The biggest gripe about the 51 is how slow it is to load. This does not appear to bother you.


biggest thing i want is audio quality(clean to avr,hdmi)and picture quality
i cant see that much that the new models in a month are so can offer with this criteria(unless im missing something

51 is great for BD playback. It and the Samsungs with the reon chip are the best at SD upconversion. You will be happy with the PQ. AQ should not vary that much bitstreaming - all the work is being done in your Yamaha.
post #4565 of 15133
I bought a Pioneer 51FD last friday from 6AVE. I paid $248 + taxes (total $265). I connected to my Denon 3808 receiver and everything seems to be okay.

Now I am wonderting whether Samsung 2500 was a good option for me or not. Since I have one more week to decide whether to return the Pioneer and buy a Samsung (for $290 + taxes). One of the reason for looking at Samsung is its ability to play Video CDs (VCD). I don't care much about the Profile 2.0, Netflix streaming etc (those are nice to have, but not a deal breaker for me). Regarding sound, I am bitsreaming the audio to my Denon, so not a problem for me.

Has anyone compared Pioneer's BD playback with Samsung's? . I know that Pioneer has got excellent BD playback and it is also excellent on SD-DVD playback.

Compared to my old PS3, the load times of Pioneer is not great, but I am able to live with that. If Samsung offers better load time, that will be an added advantage. But my primary criteria is picture quality.

-iKNOWN
post #4566 of 15133
I'm in the market for my 3rd BluRay player. I already have a PS3 and a BD30, but want to put one in my bedroom. I love having netflix streaming on my 360, so I want to be sure to get a BR compatible with it.

Are my only options the Samsung 2550, 1600 and the LG (which I'm not interested in at all). Am I missing any? Is there any reason to go with the 2550 over the 1600 if I don't watch any SD DVDs? I also don't need wireless as I have ethernet wallplates at all my televisions, and I have never used BD-Live and I don't anticipate it anytime soon.
post #4567 of 15133
I need a BR player to compliment my US Playstation 3.

I'm in the US, and I import Blu-rays from Amazon.uk website.

Specifically, I need a player that will play Region B movies.

I understand the Panasonic BD30 has a firmware which will allow region free playback, but its not endorsed by Panasonic (in other words, its hacked).

Can anyone offer me suggestions?
post #4568 of 15133
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Originally Posted by Rieper View Post

I need a BR player to compliment my US Playstation 3.

I'm in the US, and I import Blu-rays from Amazon.uk website.

Specifically, I need a player that will play Region B movies.

I understand the Panasonic BD30 has a firmware which will allow region free playback, but its not endorsed by Panasonic (in other words, its hacked).

Can anyone offer me suggestions?

Players aren't supposed to be able to play discs from different regions as this is a very strict requirement of the Blu-Ray license that player manufacturers agree to.

If you really desire multi-region playback capability, you might be better served by building a small home theater PC with a Blu-Ray drive, as it is far easier to gain the ability to change regions with PC playback software, than through BD player firmware.
post #4569 of 15133
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Originally Posted by browerjs View Post

I'm in the market for my 3rd BluRay player. I already have a PS3 and a BD30, but want to put one in my bedroom. I love having netflix streaming on my 360, so I want to be sure to get a BR compatible with it.

Are my only options the Samsung 2550, 1600 and the LG (which I'm not interested in at all). Am I missing any? Is there any reason to go with the 2550 over the 1600 if I don't watch any SD DVDs? I also don't need wireless as I have ethernet wallplates at all my televisions, and I have never used BD-Live and I don't anticipate it anytime soon.

2550 can put hd audio over analogue
post #4570 of 15133
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Originally Posted by iknown View Post

I bought a Pioneer 51FD last friday from 6AVE. I paid $248 + taxes (total $265). I connected to my Denon 3808 receiver and everything seems to be okay.

Now I am wonderting whether Samsung 2500 was a good option for me or not. Since I have one more week to decide whether to return the Pioneer and buy a Samsung (for $290 + taxes). One of the reason for looking at Samsung is its ability to play Video CDs (VCD). I don't care much about the Profile 2.0, Netflix streaming etc (those are nice to have, but not a deal breaker for me). Regarding sound, I am bitsreaming the audio to my Denon, so not a problem for me.

Has anyone compared Pioneer's BD playback with Samsung's? . I know that Pioneer has got excellent BD playback and it is also excellent on SD-DVD playback.

Compared to my old PS3, the load times of Pioneer is not great, but I am able to live with that. If Samsung offers better load time, that will be an added advantage. But my primary criteria is picture quality.

-iKNOWN

Samsung is objectively faster. I subjectively think the pioneer is better on blu ray playback. I think it's a toin coss on SD upconversion - the samsung is sharper, but the pioneer is smoother for motion. both are great options - the samsung has better featuresets, the pioneer is a solid machine with good build quality.
post #4571 of 15133
Ok so I've decided to make the jump to BR as well, despite my preference for HD-DVD.

Currently I have a Denon AVR 3803 and 5.1, so I'm thinking bitstream DD/DTS for now, unless there's a recommendation to go with bypassing the receiver's decoder? I also have a generation 2.5 Samsung 50" 720p DLP, so I have DVI/VGA/Component (suspect I'll use DVI?), but no HDMI. So I want something that will work well with those legacy inputs for now, and I want something that will do a better job than my Xbox at upscaling regular DVDs to my native 720p if at all possible (maybe I'm dreaming?).

I was leaning towards the Panasonic DMP-BD35K because it was so cheap and got such high reviews, but I found out that I can't order it right now as they're rolling out the BD60 in it's place. I'm willing to wait for the BD60, assuming the price is about the same ($250ish). But the Samsung is appealing because of the Netflix capabilities -- though I do already have an Xbox, so this isn't a must have. Really, upscaling and output to DVI (even if i have to buy an adapter) are the key things, plus figuring out the sound thing.

TIA
post #4572 of 15133
Can anyone suggest to me a good Blu-Ray player for under $300 that does good upconversion and has a good blu ray picture?

Why I want a new blu ray player:
I just had a HD-DVD player's infared die on me and it did a great job on upconverting my regular dvd's, so now I can't use the player for my dvd's.
I also have a PS3 but it does a horrible job of upconverting and the Blu-Rays don't look as good as my HD Dvd's in my hd dvd player.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated!
post #4573 of 15133
Do you need lossless audio decoding (or do you have an AVR that will decode bitstream)? Either way, I think the P2550 is the best player going at the moment.
post #4574 of 15133
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post #4575 of 15133
hello folks...seems like alot of the very informed and knowledgeable people here like the Samsung BD-P2550. I just bought a Sammy PN50A400 plasma and have a Harman Kardon AVR-110 AVR and a set of Paradigm speakers for my surround. Atoms,Phantoms and CC-150. I am looking at getting a decent BD player. I presently own about 400 SD dvds and 0 blu rays but obviously will purchase some in future. So I guess I need a good up scaling player..and my budget is about $250 CDn. Thanks
post #4576 of 15133
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Originally Posted by wiyid2001 View Post

hello folks...seems like alot of the very informed and knowledgeable people here like the Samsung BD-P2550. I just bought a Sammy PN50A400 plasma and have a Harman Kardon AVR-110 AVR and a set of Paradigm speakers for my surround. Atoms,Phantoms and CC-150. I am looking at getting a decent BD player. I presently own about 400 SD dvds and 0 blu rays but obviously will purchase some in future. So I guess I need a good up scaling player..and my budget is about $250 CDn. Thanks

Think a canadian site - maybe e warehouse or something to the effect had some refurb 2500s that were under USD200. Might be worth looking for. You will not regret the reon chip when you watch your sd dvds.
post #4577 of 15133
Wow, what a thread! I think I've been reading it for 4 hours now and more confused than when I started... Hoping I can solicit a bit of advice.

We need a BD player for our living room/entertainment room. It will be feeding a Panny 50pz800u that we just purchased. Sound wise the new codecs are not important as it's feeding an older HK AVR435 into 5.1 surround (and we may go to just a 'soundbar' or front stage only). The criteria would be:

Must have:
-excellent SD upconversion. 99% of our library is still DVD and I have no desire to replace the whole thing
-must be an IR remote as all components will be hid in the closet (except for the tv of course)
-must play cd's occasionally
-good BD performance picture wise

Would be nice:
-netflix streaming would (although we would need to do it wirelessly, so not sure about that yet)
-layer change on DVD that is not noticeable
-pandora would be nice also (see previous wireless comment)
-decent load time
-affordable. we don't need the absolute best on the market as it's a 2nd tv/entertaining room.

From my reading it looks ilke the samsung bd-p2550 fits our criteria (I think?). Anything else we should be looking at?
post #4578 of 15133
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Originally Posted by kincade View Post

From my reading it looks ilke the samsung bd-p2550 fits our criteria (I think?).

Pretty much exactly, yes.
post #4579 of 15133
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Before the bottom fell out on the pricing for Pioneer BDP 51FD, the Samsung 25X0 was the best value on the market as a true swiss army knife - outstanding SD playback, netflix streaming in HD, and Pandora streaming for $350. I also own two and love them. They BD PQ is not as sharp as my Panny 55 or Pioneer 51, but the units have been tanks - playing every worn out Netflix BD I have thrown at them. The Sony 350 is in a lower league in my opinion.

I wonder why the BD images are not as sharp from the 25x0 when compared to your Panny or Pioneer...
How about SD DVDs?
post #4580 of 15133
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Originally Posted by asiandude View Post

I wonder why the BD images are not as sharp from the 25x0 when compared to your Panny or Pioneer...
How about SD DVDs?

Guessing it is some processing done by the samsung. it does not offer the tweaking that the pioneer and panasonic offer as well. When i say not as sharp, it is a minor difference. SD upconversion difference of Samsung/Pioneer compared to the Panasonic are much more real/noticeable.
post #4581 of 15133
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Originally Posted by kincade View Post

Wow, what a thread! I think I've been reading it for 4 hours now and more confused than when I started... Hoping I can solicit a bit of advice.

We need a BD player for our living room/entertainment room. It will be feeding a Panny 50pz800u that we just purchased. Sound wise the new codecs are not important as it's feeding an older HK AVR435 into 5.1 surround (and we may go to just a 'soundbar' or front stage only). The criteria would be:

Must have:
-excellent SD upconversion. 99% of our library is still DVD and I have no desire to replace the whole thing
-must be an IR remote as all components will be hid in the closet (except for the tv of course)
-must play cd's occasionally
-good BD performance picture wise

Would be nice:
-netflix streaming would (although we would need to do it wirelessly, so not sure about that yet)
-layer change on DVD that is not noticeable
-pandora would be nice also (see previous wireless comment)
-decent load time
-affordable. we don't need the absolute best on the market as it's a 2nd tv/entertaining room.

From my reading it looks ilke the samsung bd-p2550 fits our criteria (I think?). Anything else we should be looking at?


definitely - the only fit. do not wait for the 3600 without the reon chip. get a bridge to have wireless streaming. there are posts on this in the 2500 thread.
post #4582 of 15133
Long time AVS reader...my very first post. Here is my situation; I have a Sammy 5271 and am sitting about 8-9 feet away. My present blu-ray player is a Panny 30. Everything is bitstreamed from the Panny to a Denon 2809 and from there into the Sammy. Movies are all that I watch. The Panny is not used for any other media (C.D.'s etc). I'm planning to buy a 2nd Blu-ray player and am torn between the Pioneer 51 and the up-and-coming Oppo. From what I have been reading there is a fair amount of discussion between these two players especially in terms of PQ which is important to me. Any suggestions as to which one to purchase would be greatly appreciated.
post #4583 of 15133
Is there any point in buying a bluray player if my main display is not capable of 1080p? I have an ALiS type Plasma so it will do 1080 resolution but only interlaced..
post #4584 of 15133
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Originally Posted by Jets View Post

Is there any point in buying a bluray player if my main display is not capable of 1080p? I have an ali type Plasma so it will do 1080 resolution but only interlaced..

yes, it will still look very good. better than most hi def broadcasts for reference. and you can get hd audio if you have the right player/receiver pairing.
post #4585 of 15133
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Originally Posted by abba1 View Post

Long time AVS reader...my very first post. Here is my situation; I have a Sammy 5271 and am sitting about 8-9 feet away. My present blu-ray player is a Panny 30. Everything is bitstreamed from the Panny to a Denon 2809 and from there into the Sammy. Movies are all that I watch. The Panny is not used for any other media (C.D.'s etc). I'm planning to buy a 2nd Blu-ray player and am torn between the Pioneer 51 and the up-and-coming Oppo. From what I have been reading there is a fair amount of discussion between these two players especially in terms of PQ which is important to me. Any suggestions as to which one to purchase would be greatly appreciated.

Frankly, they are probably both terrific units, but in two different leagues by price alone. I think you are better off comparing the upcoming Pioneer 23FD with the oppo. Both are profile 2.0 and similarly priced ($500-$600).

As for the 51, if you are looking for a terrific pure player, it is hard to beat.
post #4586 of 15133
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Originally Posted by Jets View Post

Is there any point in buying a bluray player if my main display is not capable of 1080p? I have an ali type Plasma so it will do 1080 resolution but only interlaced..

Yes. My TV is only 1080i but BD looks better and sounds better than DVD. So then you are trading against HDTV. While D* is good, there is artifacting, so I figured BD is the way to go for watching movies (assuming cost is not a big issue).
post #4587 of 15133
OK, I can get a 2 month old BD55 and a Pioneer 51FD for about same cost. I have a Yamaha RX-V2500 so I need analog outs. I currently have a Panasonic BD10A and have been happy with it but wanted DTS-Master Audio. The Panny does it but the Pioneer is still waiting for the firmware upgrade. I just got a Sony VPL-HW10 projector and wanted a Blu-Ray for it is the reason I want another. Please give me some suggestions as I have been on the fence and going back and forth?
post #4588 of 15133
If those are your two options, I would go with the Pioneer BDP-51FD. Although slower than the Panasonic in terms of turning on and disc load times, and it completely lacks any ethernet support required for BD-Live and external media support, the video and audio performance on the Pioneer BDP-51FD are much better than the Panasonic. The de-interlacing and scaling of DVD media on the Panasonic Blu-ray players are mediocre at best, as the player suffers from horrible edge enhancement artifacts and fails many common cadences.

The Pioneer BDP-51FD, on the other hand, comes very close to higher end video processing, such as those offered by Silicon Optics Reon/Realta and ABT VRS.
post #4589 of 15133
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Originally Posted by mrtbig View Post

OK, I can get a 2 month old BD55 and a Pioneer 51FD for about same cost. I have a Yamaha RX-V2500 so I need analog outs. I currently have a Panasonic BD10A and have been happy with it but wanted DTS-Master Audio. The Panny does it but the Pioneer is still waiting for the firmware upgrade. I just got a Sony VPL-HW10 projector and wanted a Blu-Ray for it is the reason I want another. Please give me some suggestions as I have been on the fence and going back and forth?

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

If those are your two options, I would go with the Pioneer BDP-51FD. Although slower than the Panasonic in terms of turning on and disc load times, and it completely lacks any ethernet support required for BD-Live and external media support, the video and audio performance on the Pioneer BDP-51FD are much better than the Panasonic. The de-interlacing and scaling of DVD media on the Panasonic Blu-ray players are mediocre at best, as the player suffers from horrible edge enhancement artifacts and fails many common cadences.

The Pioneer BDP-51FD, on the other hand, comes very close to higher end video processing, such as those afford by Silicon Optics Reon/Realta and ABT VRS.

I had the Panasonic DMP-BD35 for a few months and I sold it in late January and got myself the Pioneer BDP-51FD a few weeks ago. So far I enjoy my 51FD and its a superior blu-ray/dvd player/cd player than the BD35. If I ever want to use bd-live features in blu-ray movies I could use my PS3. The Oppo blu-ray player would be tempting to buy when its officially released, but I'm very happy with the Pioneer BDP-51FD.
post #4590 of 15133
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Originally Posted by Jets View Post

Is there any point in buying a bluray player if my main display is not capable of 1080p? I have an ali type Plasma so it will do 1080 resolution but only interlaced..

What is an ali type plasma? I haven't run across that term before.

Plasmas are fixed pixel displays and do not use interlacing. They will deinterlace source material for progressive display.

1080i and 1080p produce identical Blu-ray images on plasmas.
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