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VHS to DVD conversion - what VHS player?

post #1 of 9
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Sorry if this isn't the right forum to ask this in, but this is the closest one I could find. Anyway, I want to convert ~30 VHS-C(the small tapes, but I have an adapter for VHS) camcorder tapes into DVD format. I have an ATI All-In-Wonder capture card in my computer already(from a Radeon 9700). The camera no longer works, and my VHS player is broken. My goal is to get these 10-15 year old tapes archived before they are destroyed through aging. My questions are as follows:

- What VHS player should I buy? Does it matter if I get the el-cheapo $57 VHS player from Target, or need I get a much better one(keep in mind that these tapes were recorded on a mid-range(probably erring on the side of low-end) JVC camcorder. Any specific recommendations on VHS players(I'd like to keep the price down if possible)?

- Does S-Video vs. Composite make a difference on VHS tapes? If so, should I get a player with S-video output? The Radeon has an S-Video input, but I'm not sure that the resolution of the VHS tapes is high enough to justify using S-video.

- What resolution/bitrate should I capture at(i.e. what is justifiable for a mid-range consumer camcorder using VHS-C tapes before using space becomes wasteful)?

- Is it worth cleaning up the video digitally? If so, what filters/programs would you recommend? I don't want to spend hours cleaning it up(with 30 VHS-C tapes, that'd be a nightmare!), but if there's a quick way to make the video look better with a single click, I'd like to know. This isn't my prime concern(my main concern is archiving the analog content as well as I can), but I'd still like to know.

Thanks for your help,
Mike
post #2 of 9
You'll get your best transfer from a decent S-VHS VCR with the Svideo connect. Even though the tapes are not SVHS, they will benefit from the improved hardware, and certainly from the Svideo connect.
post #3 of 9
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What particular SVHS player would you recommend(and where can I buy it)? Looking around on the internet, I found that the players are either terrible(complete crap, or so it looks like, from eBay at the low end), or very expensive(B&H has a couple players in the $300+ range). Are most players going to be $300+? I was aiming more for the $100-and-below price range...
post #4 of 9
Opinions on this differ, but many of us have found no benefit to using "ordinary" SVHS recorders to transfer regular-VHS tapes to DVD. Most of the lower-end SVHS decks made in the last 10 years are as bad or worse than similar standard VHS decks when playing regular VHS tapes. Also, there is still fierce debate whether the SVHS outputs are better or worse than the old-fashioned composite outputs found on every VCR (the signal on the SVHS outputs of most decks is highly variable- better with some tapes, worse with others: you need to experiment).

There is no "midrange" in terms of tape playback hardware: the price of a top-line SVHS or DVHS with built-in image filters and TBC is around $379 for the very few models still available new. Used on eBay is anywhere from $150 to $400 for a good one. Such decks will give you a noticeable upgrade in playback quality, but at a price. If you don't want to spend that much, forget SVHS altogether and look for an older, mid-range VHS circa the 1999 model year (after that all VHS decks became unbearably cheesy with very noisy video playback). The Quasar 960 or its Panasonic 4720 equivalent on eBay, Craigs List or Salvation Army stores commonly sells for $25 or less, they have good mechanics, nice picture and HiFi stereo sound. Don't be tempted by any SVHS deck that does not have the TBC/DNR feature- it will cost more but offer no picture improvement over a plain ole VHS deck for your camcorder tapes.

Anything is possible with software given enough time, money and expertise: others can better advise you there. Personally I do all my VHS transfers direct to a Pioneer DVD recorder with hard drive, edit on the hard drive, then burn to DVD. I have many, many tapes to transfer and find the PC/capture card route much too cumbersome. Your project of 30 half-hour camcorder tapes could go either way: if you don't get too involved with filters the capture card method is feasible. Unless your camcorder tapes are damaged or very poorly photographed, they should transfer nicely without much filtering being necessary: original footage is usually much smoother-looking to begin with.
post #5 of 9
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CitiBear:

Thanks for your informative post. Are you really sure that SVHS would offer significantly better quality for a camcorder tape(with TBC/DNR, moreso than an image filter on a computer can accomplish)? If so, can you name a few models numbers I can search for on eBay(preferably at the $150 or less mark) that will leave me with a good quality image?

Also, I sort of left this out, but is a Radeon 9700 going to be OK for capturing VHS material(i.e. would a better capture card show significant improvement for a camcorder tape)?

I'm leaning towards getting a $25 VHS player, but if I can find a decent SVHS player(with TBC and DNR) for a small price on eBay/craigslist, I might take that over the VHS player.
post #6 of 9
There are a few JVC VHS-C camcorders on ebay for reasonable prices. You might even find the same model as your broken one, which might minimize some of the problems associated with recording/playback on mismatched brands.

I transferred my old Panasonic VHS-C tapes to my Toshiba DVDR using my Panasonic camcorder, and I'm thrilled with the quality. I chose not to use the adapter as I'm unsure if the VHS adapter mechanism might affect playback quality. Anyone have an opinion on that?
post #7 of 9
I agree with rickc5, if you could find a working camcorder identical to your original, it could be an excellent option for playback. VHS-C camcorders sell very cheaply now on eBay. Although the C-to-full-size cassette adapters I've used do not seem to cause any harm to the tapes: the VHS-C system was rather ingenious in that regard, I've never seen an adapter that caused the tapes to drag. For ultimate playback the original camera might be a hair better, but I wouldn't sweat it.

Deluxe VCRs to look for on eBay: you can save yourself a lot of headaches by narrowing your search to two recent DVHS models: JVC SR-VD400US and Mitsubishi HS-HD2000U. These were sold new in stores for $700+ between 2003-2006, but almost nobody bothered to use them much after purchase because the DVHS concept never really took off. So most second-hand examples are mint: expect to pay $150-200 for a lightly-used unit. For tape transfer they are about equal and have the same TBC and filter options: buy the one you can get the best price on. A few high-end stores still have these new in stock for $379 but they are a good bet used and sometimes sell at a great discount second-hand. Although honestly, if I were you I'd borrow a working VCR from a friend and do a trial run: your camcorder tapes may transfer just fine without a "filtering" VCR. Hardware and software filters are most helpful with unstable tapes recorded off-air or multi-generation copied tapes or damaged tapes. Nice, clean original VHS-C camcorder footage shot in daylight is about as good a tape source as you can have, it shouldn't really need any enhancement. Run some tests before you spend big bucks unnecessarily.
post #8 of 9
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What bitrate and resolution does one generally capture at for VHS-C tapes? I want to maintain the quality of the tapes(as the tapes will likely be destroyed by natural decay over the next few years), but I don't want to waste unnecesary space.
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